So if Dispensationalism is real, then ...

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Why did Jesus say that His Kingdom is not of this world, (but is in Heaven.)
Why did Jesus say that from now on He shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God? (In heaven, not in Jerusalem).
Why did Jesus say "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand." (not 2000 years from now)
Why did Jesus say, " But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
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Thaddeus73 said:

Why did Jesus say that His Kingdom is not of this world, (but is in Heaven.)
Why did Jesus say that from now on He shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God? (In heaven, not in Jerusalem).
Why did Jesus say "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand." (not 2000 years from now)
Why did Jesus say, " But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.



I take it you're arguing against a literal 1,000 year reign here on earth?
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Yes....Nowhere does the bible say that he will reign in Jerusalem. It does say that His kingdom is not of this world, which would include Jerusalem..
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Thaddeus73 said:

Yes....Nowhere does the bible say that he will reign in Jerusalem. It does say that His kingdom is not of this world, which would include Jerusalem..


I agree with you.
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Zechariah 14:17---A Millenial Kingdom context says:

"And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty (Messiah Jesus) then will be no rain on them."
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Thaddeus73 said:

Yes....Nowhere does the bible say that he will reign in Jerusalem. It does say that His kingdom is not of this world, which would include Jerusalem..

That's premillennialism, not dispensationalism. The former is when Christ reigns. The later has to do with whether the covenant with Israel, et.al. and the church are substantially different or not.
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The imagery of Jerusalem was an idea, not a set of stones/city boundaries, to most Jews and Christians alike, hence the long running debate about the 'city of lights' or on a hill, or 'new Jerusalem (Constantinople/Rome etc).

I've never comprehended the attempts by some Jews, Christians and muslims alike to make the old or new testaments about the literal city of Jerusalem. Yahweh/God cared so much about it that he facilitated the diaspora(s), destruction of it's walls, repeated invasions/conquering by foreign armies etc.

The archeological history is fascinating, sure, but that is what it is, to me.
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Thaddeus73 said:

Yes....Nowhere does the bible say that he will reign in Jerusalem. It does say that His kingdom is not of this world, which would include Jerusalem..

There is some hints that Salem will be renewed/restored after the post judgement creation of new perfect earth. But at that rate its a game of who cares. My theology includes that the earth 'being made perfect' includes restoring Jerusalem but also returning Dallas to wilderness.
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Why did Jesus say that His Kingdom is not of this world, (but is in Heaven.)
Why did Jesus say that from now on He shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God? (In heaven, not in Jerusalem).
Why did Jesus say "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand." (not 2000 years from now)
Why did Jesus say, " But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.


Is there room for a 3rd option vs it being an either-or discussion?

Yes, all of those references are true and I'm convinced there will be a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth. Thy kingdom come, they will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

...but wait, I thought the kingdom was already here? How as it not come?

An option not explored very much...the king was on earth "the kingdom of God was at hand". Israel being in the land and having a king was dependent upon their obedience.

1 Samuel 12

19 Then all the people said to Samuel, "Pray for your servants to the Lord your God, so that we may not die, for we have added to all our sins this evil by asking for ourselves a king." 20 Samuel said to the people, "Do not fear. You have committed all this evil, yet do not turn aside from following the Lord, but serve the Lord with all your heart. 21 You must not turn aside, for then you would go after futile things which can not profit or deliver, because they are futile. 22 For the Lord will not abandon His people on account of His great name, because the Lord has been pleased to make you a people for Himself. 23 Moreover, as for me, far be it from me that I should sin against the Lord by ceasing to pray for you; but I will instruct you in the good and right way. 24 Only fear the Lord and serve Him in truth with all your heart; for consider what great things He has done for you. 25 But if you still do wickedly, both you and your king will be swept away."

Did Israel embrace it's king or crucify Him?

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Thaddeus73 said:

Why did Jesus say that His Kingdom is not of this world, (but is in Heaven.)
Why did Jesus say that from now on He shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God? (In heaven, not in Jerusalem).
Why did Jesus say "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand." (not 2000 years from now)
Why did Jesus say, " But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.


I don't trust any doctrine basically invented out of whole cloth by one guy, Darby, in the mid 1800s.
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The Lord already fulfilled the land promise to the Jews. The promised land today is not a strip of land in the middle East; rather, it's heaven. The modern state of Israel has nothing to do with the biblical promise of land to the Jews.

Joshua 21: 43 Thus the Lord gave to Israel all the land which he swore to give to their fathers; and having taken possession of it, they settled there.
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Can you think of other promises that have yet to be fulfilled?
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