SSPX Announces Names of future bishops, including one American.

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2:18p, 6/17/26
People only claim whataboutism when trying to distract from clear hypocrisy.

It's completely legitimate to notice in a hypothetical that a black guy gets beat up and 10 years in jail for littering, and a white guy gets community service for doing $500k in property damage. You're not trying to "distract from the fact that the black guy did in fact litter".

It's the same in the church. Traditionalists are rejected for their very well reasoned and respectful disagreements with Rome, the Germans thumb their nose and say "lol we're going to bless gay couples deal with it". One is in schism and the other is…….Synodal?
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3:57p, 6/17/26
Well, in the end, it doesn't matter. 99% of the Catholic Church doesn't even know the SSPX exists.

And after that 0.004% of the church chooses to leave on July 1, they will become even less relevant.
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In reply to fc2112 • 4:55p, 6/17/26
It is true that the majority of the Church knows little to nothing of the FSSPX. That is evidenced by those who accuse them of being heretics, for example. Although, I disagree with your premise that they are "leaving the Church," or that they are irrelevant. The fact that many don't know about them doesn't equate to irrelevance. In fact, given their incredibly small numbers, they "punch above their weight" in basically every possible way. I would argue this event makes them more "relevant" than they were before.

I believe we must pray especially to the Holy Ghost that He guides us through these difficult times. "Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and enkindle in them the fire of thy love."
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In reply to fc2112 • 4:56p, 6/17/26
fc2112 said:
Well, in the end, it doesn't matter. 99% of the Catholic Church doesn't even know the SSPX exists.

And after that 0.004% of the church chooses to leave on July 1, they will become even less relevant.


Well according to Pew only 31% believe in the real presence, so perhaps spiking the football on the ignorance of the Catholic laity post Vatican II isn't a good idea.
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5:53p, 6/17/26
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In reply to The BQ Jock • 9:27a, 6/18/26
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What do you suppose will happen when the faithful will have to decide post July 1 between SSPX, now fully knowing that with that decision will be excommunication or "leaving" SSPX parishes to rejoin their local Catholic Church to stay in full communion with the Bishop of Rome?
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10:35a, 6/18/26
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In other news, the German Catholic Church falls in line with the Vatican with a recent revision (April) to the original draft.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 11:16a, 6/18/26
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PabloSerna said:
In other news, the German Catholic Church falls in line with the Vatican with a recent revision (April) to the original draft.


Can you post a source?
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In reply to PabloSerna • 11:17a, 6/18/26
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PabloSerna said:
In other news, the German Catholic Church falls in line with the Vatican with a recent revision (April) to the original draft.


Link?

(I'm pretty sure we've been over this, but I'll wait and see what you have)
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In reply to TSJ • 1:39p, 6/18/26
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https://www.newwaysministry.org/2025/06/09/german-catholic-church-offers-guidelines-for-blessings-of-same-gender-couples/

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In reply to PabloSerna • 1:43p, 6/18/26
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Note "new" guidelines. They even renamed the original draft from, "Blessings give strength to love" to "Blessings for couples who love each other". Not an accident in my opinion.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 2:43p, 6/18/26
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PabloSerna said:
https://www.newwaysministry.org/2025/06/09/german-catholic-church-offers-guidelines-for-blessings-of-same-gender-couples/



This article is over a year old
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In reply to Captain Pablo • 2:57p, 6/18/26
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Yes- that was the first link. Here is the link to the recent (checking the date) June 2, 2026 article:

https://www.newwaysministry.org/2026/06/02/german-church-defends-blessing-guide-amid-vatican-criticism/

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A key point from the author worth mentioning in case no one cares to visit the site and read in full:

"One central point of dispute is the depth of preparation for the act of blessing the guide recommends. Cardinal Fernndez has indicated that blessings should be spontaneous and brief around 10 to 15 seconds while the German guide suggests prior consultation between pastor and couple, including the selection of music, prayers, and Scripture readings. Diefenbach defended the approach, arguing that couples deserve more than something "just thrown at them."

And then:

"We removed the word blessing 'ceremony' from many places because it seems to be a trigger word for the Vatican, and we didn't want the entire text to fail because of this one word," Diefenbach said."

More importantly, talks appear to be ongoing:

"He expressed hope that German bishops would hold firm in upcoming talks with the Vatican, and welcomed signals from Cardinal Secretary of State Pietro Parolin of openness to dialogue"

In the end, I think it was presented that German Catholic Church was running on its own and not in dialogue with the Vatican when this article sheds a different light.

-Clown out.


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In reply to The BQ Jock • 3:13p, 6/18/26
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Somewhat related to the topic, the SSPX put out a trailer that looks awesome. It shows many aspects of being a missionary priest completely devoted to Christ. In the video you'll see Fr Goldade, soon to be Bp. Goldade, God willing.





My favorite part was the priest riding on a horse through a river in slow motion! Well done cinematography.

Interestingly, the trailer ends with a man facing St. Peter's Basilica in Rome.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 4:10p, 6/18/26
PabloSerna said:
What do you suppose will happen when the faithful will have to decide post July 1 between SSPX, now fully knowing that with that decision will be excommunication or "leaving" SSPX parishes to rejoin their local Catholic Church to stay in full communion with the Bishop of Rome?


That's really hard to say, because it will be a combination of things in my opinion. First, I think a distinction should be made. The SSPX does not claim to have parishes, properly speaking, although they may use the term colloquially on occasion. A "parish" is a canonical designation they do not claim to have. That may be semantical, but it's notable at least to understand their mind while approaching this situation. That being said, there will be some who, quite understandably, fear the potential excommunication and become regular attendees at another traditional-ish group (FSSP, ICKSP, IBP, the Ordinariate, Eastern Catholic Churches, etc.) there will be some who just begin going to the Novus Ordo (although I imagine that number will be quite small), and some who say the SSPX is still too friendly with Rome despite being declared excommunicated and leave to other groups like the "Resistance" or potentially even some who say the pope is clearly a manifest heretic and join Sedevacantist groups.

I think the vast majority of those who attend FSSPX chapels don't believe the excommunication would be legitimate for a variety of reasons. I could go into a few reasons, but I believe at least some have already been brought up here and it may be redundant. Namely, the SSPX believes the crisis in the Church justifies the consecration of 4 auxiliary bishops to administer the sacraments. I personally fall into this group. A college forum is probably not the best place to go into extensive detail on the "Whats" and "whys," but I think to answer your question simply: it's not a matter of "now fully knowing with that decision comes excommunication," because there is a legitimate argument the excommunication wouldn't really exist, Or at least that the crime justifying an excommunication wouldn't have taken place, nullifying the penalty.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 4:12p, 6/18/26
Yeah I freakin' loved that. Made me want to drop everything and become a missionary priest haha. And yes, despite what happens, the SSPX will always see themselves as being loyal to Rome and the Office of the Pope. They have a true love for the papacy.
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In reply to The BQ Jock • 6:27p, 6/18/26
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Good to know about the absence of parishes. I was under the impression that SSPX operated within the diocesan structure. I guess things will remain as-is with the exception of any type of relationship with Rome?

I can see your side of it, in the sense that Rome does not have the authority to excommunicate if, as I understand Archbishop Lefebre, the (this) Popes since Paul VI are the Anti-Christ.

Wish it weren't so, but at least it will be something to put behind us and focus on the mission- riding horses, spreading the gospel, and such :-)
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6:40p, 6/18/26
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This is so confusing.

Meanwhile, I could point out that no matter what the high and mighty in the Church have since the Council done to the Church and her identity for the sake of "unity" with the Orthodox or Anglicans or Lutherans has resulted in true unity. They are still doing whatever they do, even though we've done backflips while juggling umbrellas to signal that we aren't rigid and scary and, gosh, we don't want to offend them. Fact: they're not going to join up if we try to be like them.


https://wdtprs.com/2026/06/distressing-words-of-leo-about-the-sspx-consecrations/
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In reply to PabloSerna • 7:18p, 6/18/26
PabloSerna said:
Good to know about the absence of parishes. I was under the impression that SSPX operated within the diocesan structure. I guess things will remain as-is with the exception of any type of relationship with Rome?

I can see your side of it, in the sense that Rome does not have the authority to excommunicate if, as I understand Archbishop Lefebre, the (this) Popes since Paul VI are the Anti-Christ.

Wish it weren't so, but at least it will be something to put behind us and focus on the mission- riding horses, spreading the gospel, and such :-)


Yeah I mean it's simple and complicated at the same time. They are real popes not "the anti-Christ," or even anti-popes. They are true popes and that's partly what makes it such a delicate and painful situation. You could analogize it as an abusive father. We owe our fathers obedience and loyalty, but if he comes home drunk and tells you to pour gasoline on the couch and light it on fire, obviously you would have an obligation to disobey in that situation. Now, he could still punish you temporally, maybe he beats you or cusses at you, whatever it may be, but you aren't guilty of the crime of disobedience. He doesn't stop being your father just because he is not living up to his role/office.

I apologize for the extreme and provocative analogy, but I wanted to use something that would get the severity of the situation point across. We are talking about things that have an affect of the salvation of souls, after all, and not superficial "preferences".

Remember that canon law is a human law that is subject to Divine law and the salvation of souls.

Who knows, really, what the relationship with Rome will be after this. Pope Francis was one of the most modernist popes we have ever had and he was extremely amiable towards the Society going back to his days in Argentina. But it does seem that talks will be even more strained than they were at least for a period of time.

In the mind of the SSPX, they are not leaving Rome and they will continue to try and meet to overcome issues.

ETA: I believe you do misunderstand Abp. Lefebvre by the way. Although some draw him as a disobedient character with no regard for the pope, he was never a sedevacantist in his earthly life. This is why he was so troubled and saddened.
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In reply to Vox Clamantis • 7:37p, 6/18/26
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very well reasoned and respectful disagreements with Rome

By very well-reasoned do you mean vague, unfounded claims that church is in some sort of crisis that necessitates disobeying the Vicar of Christ? And by respectful disagreements do you mean the founder of the SSPX calling the Pope and the other leaders of the Catholic Church "antichrists?"
I'm a very Traditional Catholic, but the SSPX is bringing very well-warranted excommunications upon itself with its blatantly schismatic actions.
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In reply to The Marksman • 8:39p, 6/18/26
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As another traditional Catholic, I second this opinion
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In reply to The Marksman • 8:51p, 6/18/26
Agree or disagree, can you really say they are vague claims? I mean, they have always been pretty specific and direct with their points of contention, concerns, reasons that necessitate this act, and it's justifications. Like if anything, the clarity of their argumentation is their most attractive quality within this era of weaponized ambiguity.

As far as Abp. Lefebvres comments on the popes, it seems clear what is meant is that they behave in an Antichristic way by their actions. Traditionally, in my understanding, there is "The Antichrist" and many "antichrists." Everyone who behaves in a way contrary to Christ, or who harms the Body of Christ is an "antichrist." Eschatology is quite a bit outside my wheelhouse, but that's my understanding. If that's incorrect and someone can correct me, I would appreciate it.
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In reply to The BQ Jock • 7:37a, 6/19/26
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I don't believe SSPX to be "antichrists" for their actions. To me that sort of logic can lead one to a rationalization for their actions.

Your analogy of an abusive father was telling, if I may, because it frames your point of reference and who would not want to leave such a situation? However, the reality is something else all together. That is why you have to go back to the beginning- why Archbishop Lefebvre founded SSPX. In a way we have seen this before with Martin Luther. He was so clear in his mind about what he believed that it set in motion the start of a new denomination. We could be seeing the same thing here, who.knows?

Time will tell. I do pray as Christ did, that we all become one.

ETA: I read the link you provided and it is more of the same, case in point (from Fr.Z)

"What does it mean "to live the communion"? And just what does that look like? Meeting with a lay woman dressed like a bishop? How does one "live the communion"?"

And this:

"On the one hand, the antics that take place in German churches and in S. America are given a pass, but the faithful celebration of the Church's liturgical rites is marginalized. What does that mean for the Church? Lex orandi."

So the answer is to consecrate 4 Bishops?!!!

It seems to me that the SSPX is acting out of necessity (old bishops and attrition in the priestly ranks according to a former SSPX priest) that they are doing this to ensure the movement continues. Otherwise, stay a part of the Catholic Church and help with the mission together.
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