Rendered Fat said:

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Out of curiosity, what convinced you? Or what made you change your mind?

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I said from the very beginning I'm withholding judgment until more facts come out.

Other posters assumed i was taking his side, I never did.

He speaks:

https://www.essence.com/entertainment/only-essence/jussie-smollett-breaks-silence-vicious-attack/

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"As my family stated, these types of cowardly attacks are happening to my sisters, brothers and non-gender conforming siblings daily. I am not and should not be looked upon as an isolated incident. We will talk soon and I will address all details of this horrific incident, but I need a moment to process," he concluded.

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I recall when asked, Obama said his book characterized people... not real people, but a composite of people he was trying to identify. Meaning the people were not real and the events were not real, but "what could have happened, by people like this."

The quote I included here from Jussie reads like this hoax was a composite of what could happen, and it puts a face on the racial and homophobic attacks that go unnoticed.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, that something tragic occured (possible suicidal moment), but it is moving towards a political move.

Even the twitters-sphere has his supporters saying, "even if it didn't happen, Pence and Trump are evil racists and are to blame."

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Yeah it seems this is a fake story. This guy's career should be ruined and he should be held accountable. Just a disgusting thing to do.

People like him are the worst. Every time someone cries wolf about assault in a position of power (in this case a celebrity), it takes away the attention paid to people who really are assaulted.

Just scum.

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Welcome to the Dark side...

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Teach him the secret handshake. Do it now damn it.

BallerStaf2003 said:

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Yeah it seems this is a fake story. This guy's career should be ruined and he should be held accountable. Just a disgusting thing to do.

People like him are the worst. Every time someone cries wolf about assault in a position of power (in this case a celebrity), it takes away the attention paid to people who really are assaulted.

Just scum.

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Well said. For example, when something like the Oak Lawn incidents happen, this kind of fraud probably leads to that having a too-hasty dismissal.

Instead, here's a more reliable rule of thumb---the higher in prominence, like a celebrity, the less likely to have been quite as described. Too many hidden agenda stakes.

This should not lead to dismissal of real cases of bigoted violence.

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annie88 said:

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White people don't constantly whine about how hard it is to be white. Except self loathing liberals. Other people of color and the same self loathing liberals whine about how much privilege whites supposedly have, which we don't. Very distinct point.

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There's nothing hard about being a white person. Nothing.

What white people (excluding beta libs and feministas) actually whine about is the non stop barrage of being told you're a racist, homophobe, bigot, Nazi, fascist, backwards, redneck, cretin, if you don't embrace and celebrate socialism, open borders, unfettered immigration, chopping your wang off, and environmental theology.

It just wears you out.

Until you reach the point of not caring.

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`Racist' is just the Left word for `Infidel'. If not one of the sect, don't let it bug you. Not caring is as good a response as any.

DallasAg 94 said:

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He speaks:

https://www.essence.com/entertainment/only-essence/jussie-smollett-breaks-silence-vicious-attack/

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"As my family stated, these types of cowardly attacks are happening to my sisters, brothers and non-gender conforming siblings daily. I am not and should not be looked upon as an isolated incident. We will talk soon and I will address all details of this horrific incident, but I need a moment to process," he concluded.

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This guy is either a pathological liar or certifiably insane and should be placed in a mental institution but only after he is processed into Illinois state prison for a minimum of two years.

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Yeah it seems this is a fake story. This guy's career should be ruined and he should be held accountable. Just a disgusting thing to do.

People like him are the worst. Every time someone cries wolf about assault in a position of power (in this case a celebrity), it takes away the attention paid to people who really are assaulted.

Just scum.

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Well said. For example, when something like the Oak Lawn incidents happen, this kind of fraud probably leads to that having a too-hasty dismissal.

Instead, here's a more reliable rule of thumb---the higher in prominence, like a celebrity, the less likely to have been quite as described. Too many hidden agenda stakes.

This should not lead to dismissal of real cases of bigoted violence.

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Exactly. I knew three people (one well, two not so well) that got REALLY messed up in those attacks. It's messed up that when stuff like this really does happen, we are so desensitized to it thst we don't take it seriously.

That's what I meant when I said "a sign of the times" that was so heavily criticized and taken out of context.

Jussie just before he got to the hospital so he could have a swollen face.

https://instagr.am/p/BtWQmUNhmQG

BallerStaf2003 said:

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Rendered Fat said:

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Out of curiosity, what convinced you? Or what made you change your mind?

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I said from the very beginning I'm withholding judgment

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It was obvious from the beginning to any objective person that this was all fake. It checked too many stereotypical boxes. This guy is a liar and an unhinged idiot.

BallerStaf2003 said:

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titan said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Yeah it seems this is a fake story. This guy's career should be ruined and he should be held accountable. Just a disgusting thing to do.

People like him are the worst. Every time someone cries wolf about assault in a position of power (in this case a celebrity), it takes away the attention paid to people who really are assaulted.

Just scum.

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Well said. For example, when something like the Oak Lawn incidents happen, this kind of fraud probably leads to that having a too-hasty dismissal.

Instead, here's a more reliable rule of thumb---the higher in prominence, like a celebrity, the less likely to have been quite as described. Too many hidden agenda stakes.

This should not lead to dismissal of real cases of bigoted violence.

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Exactly. I knew three people (one well, two not so well) that got REALLY messed up in those attacks. It's messed up that when stuff like this really does happen, we are so desensitized to it thst we don't take it seriously.

That's what I meant when I said "a sign of the times" that was so heavily criticized and taken out of context.

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Well as said on another thread, that DID happen. It made the talk of the Trade Center and Infomart at the time. For a while more conceal-and-carry was going on. (The more sober and understated--yes, professional toned gays have a fair amount of involvement in Interior Design and home furnishings -- so events like that make it into the mainstream talk there.)

There are crazy, seemingly unbelievable things that happen all the time. I won't rule anything out on either side until I see or hear evidence.

I feel to do otherwise shows a confirmation bias that has resulted in the polarized politics of our day.

Yeah for some reason posters on that thread wanted to argue with me the validity of those claims as well. I posted the article that stated almost two dozen were reported and many sent to the hospital, but the article stated 30 and then they wanted to argue the 30 because thirty didn't file a police report.

Why is it so hard to admit that gays are often the target of assault?

BallerStaf2003 said:

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There are crazy, seemingly unbelievable things that happen all the time. I won't rule anything out on either side until I see or hear evidence.

I feel to do otherwise shows a confirmation bias that has resulted in the polarized politics of our day.

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It is not confirmation bias when something so astronomically improbable is disproven.

BallerStaf2003 said:

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Yeah for some reason posters on that thread wanted to argue with me the validity of those claims as well. I posted the article that stated almost two dozen were reported and many sent to the hospital, but the article stated 30 and then they wanted to argue the 30 because thirty didn't file a police report.

Why is it so hard to admit that gays are often the target of assault?

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uh no... again.

you stated MORE than 30.

the article stated several and maybe up to 30 which included a DOZEN unreported. I still don't know how you count unreported? So at most 18 reported of which not all were gay. Long way from MORE than 30.

There is zero evidence to me that gays were targeted in those attacks - yes there were real attacks. In a neighborhood that is renowned for it's gay scene. But not one of the attacks indicated anything said to them about being gay for example. Most were ROBBERIES.

Were they targeted for robberies because they are gay??? Or because that's a neighborhood with people out late at night and can be caught off guard, alone, etc.???? Who happen to be gay.

It's NOT a safe area under an circumstances late at night.

It's like saying any attack south of downtown is racially motivated just because the victim is black. Ummm... no.

The article was written by a publication that wants to make a point and has an agenda as well. So there's that.

And there have been attacks there - on gays - since 2008 through 2015 that are easy to find. Numerous.

Only somehow in 2016 and later thats suddenly a gay hate crime.

CanyonAg77 said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Yeah for some reason posters on that thread wanted to argue with me the validity of those claims as well. I posted the article that stated almost two dozen were reported and many sent to the hospital, but the article stated 30 and then they wanted to argue the 30 because thirty didn't file a police report.

Why is it so hard to admit that gays are often the target of assault?

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Why is it so hard to admit that we are in the midst of an avalanche of false hate crimes?

The liars are who you should be angry with, not the doubters.

And it was an activist group that came up with the 30 number. Shouldn't we verify anything any activist group claims?

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Well, sure there's a bunch of liars out there but I was being called a liar or an exaggerator for stating that these attacks happened in Dallas. Like posters here can't sdmit that these crimes ever happen st all.

Then I provide proof, and they want to nitpick at the claim of 30 because only like 20 reported to police.

Just not sure why it can't be accepted that although often it's fake, these crimes do happen.

CanyonAg77 said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Yeah for some reason posters on that thread wanted to argue with me the validity of those claims as well. I posted the article that stated almost two dozen were reported and many sent to the hospital, but the article stated 30 and then they wanted to argue the 30 because thirty didn't file a police report.

Why is it so hard to admit that gays are often the target of assault?

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Why is it so hard to admit that we are in the midst of an avalanche of false hate crimes?

The liars are who you should be angry with, not the doubters.

And it was an activist group that came up with the 30 number. Shouldn't we verify anything any activist group claims?

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In this situation, though, I'm with Baller.

I do support accurate reporting. If it was 15, then it should be reported as 15, not 30. Numbers tend to creep when people are telling them, because people adjust the facts to make the facts fit their own level of emotional reaction to the news. So to someone, "over 30 attacks" felt like a terrifying number. However, it is also true that many of the victims may have felt great reluctance to file a report which becomes a permanent public record showing that they were in a gay neighborhood at 11pm on a Tuesday night. And thus they told their friends about it but did not call police.


In any case, the fact remains from a non-emotional rule-of-law perspective, a string of 15 violent assault-robberies very clearly targeting a specific group of people in a specific neighborhood is already a terrible thing. And it ought to be taken seriously and addressed by the city management and the PD. We don't have to wait for it to hit the 30-incident mark to care about an obvious crime wave.

BallerStaf2003 said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Yeah for some reason posters on that thread wanted to argue with me the validity of those claims as well. I posted the article that stated almost two dozen were reported and many sent to the hospital, but the article stated 30 and then they wanted to argue the 30 because thirty didn't file a police report.

Why is it so hard to admit that gays are often the target of assault?

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Why is it so hard to admit that we are in the midst of an avalanche of false hate crimes?

The liars are who you should be angry with, not the doubters.

And it was an activist group that came up with the 30 number. Shouldn't we verify anything any activist group claims?

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Well, sure there's a bunch of liars out there but I was being called a liar or an exaggerator for stating that these attacks happened in Dallas. Like posters here can't sdmit that these crimes ever happen st all.

Then I provide proof, and they want to nitpick at the claim of 30 because only like 20 reported to police.

Just not sure why it can't be accepted that although often it's fake, these crimes do happen.

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That is reasonable enough, and easily affirmed.

You can look up "Dallas oaklawn gay beating/assault" and find countless examples of men getting beaten with bats or other stuff while homophobic slurs are being shouted.

Many times, they aren't even robbed.

Why are you so resistant to the existence of this? You sound so angry and defiant in your rebuttal. Why is it so difficult to just admit there are bad people who are homophobic?

Here is one example, of countless.

http://www.fox4news.com/news/dallas-pd-couple-beats-robs-two-men-in-oak-lawn-hate-crime

Is this a hate crime or do you still need more info?