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No surprise: Giuliani, Parnas, and Fruman replicated one of the recurring themes seen over & over from other Trump subordinates/toadies: while they're performing illegal actions for Trump, they engage in multiple illegal side deals to enrich themselves.

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BOOM!

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It wasn't intended as a "Boom" or anything.

What he said in his quote was 100% correct IMO.

I just wish he would follow through. I wish everyone would follow through with that.

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Parnas and Fruman are sleazy guys with enough proof to get them indicted. Giuliani may have stepped in it too. Like Manafort, distance is needed.

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No surprise: Giuliani, Parnas, and Fruman replicated one of the recurring themes seen over & over from other Trump subordinates/toadies: while they're performing illegal actions for Trump, they engage in multiple illegal side deals to enrich themselves.

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Like the Bidens?

Is getting paid by Ukrainians worth investigation or not worth investigation?

Which is it Metolius?

SecState Pompeo caught lying like a dog.

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SecState Pompeo caught lying like a dog.

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Ah yes, we all know it's not possible that McKinley is lying like a dog.

Dems have been after Pompeo since his first NK trip, not a shocker, they're trying to throw more dog crap at the wall to see what they can try and make stick.

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SecState Pompeo caught lying like a dog.

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Read nearly all of McKinley's testimony today. Ditto Yovanovitch's testimony. You might want to read those for yourself.

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Whoa whoa

Rule #1 of liberal

Never let facts get in the way of The Narrative

Hey MetoliusAg....just a reminder you have more than 5 years left of hating everything, blaming others for your own problems and crying about everything.

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SecState Pompeo caught lying like a dog.

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CNN. You might consider posting something from a credible news source.

Yes, one random dinner at over a year ago. Gonna take more than that for me to consider that a strong relationship.

Photo op at dinner with dozens of people vs golf with 4.

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And some on this thread will have you believe the Vice President was perfectly innocent.

The more Solomon digs up, the more damning the evidence against Biden and his equally-worthless son.

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Very Interesting. Looks like Ukrainians viewed their payments to Biden as a bribe for access. I've been told by Metolius that this is a "high crime".

Thank GOD Trump was investigating such serious matters. A lesser president would have let Biden win the nomination and spring it next year. Hopefully the communist democrat party makes a better selection.

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Requesting a meeting with the US state department =/ pressuring the PGO to stop investigating a case it wasn't investigating anyway.

Bwahaaaaa the case cracker. Biden followed someone on Twitter. John Solomon is a propagandist, a bad one, not a reporter.

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Very Interesting. Looks like Ukrainians viewed their payments to Biden as a bribe for access. I've been told by Metolius that this is a "high crime".

Thank GOD Trump was investigating such serious matters. A lesser president would have let Biden win the nomination and spring it next year. Hopefully the communist democrat party makes a better selection.

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Requesting a meeting with the US state department =/ pressuring the PGO to stop investigating a case it wasn't investigating anyway.



Bwahaaaaa the case cracker. Biden followed someone on Twitter. John Solomon is a propagandist, a bad one, not a reporter.

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Biden took cold hard cash for access. Quid pro quo. Impeachable. Trump was right to investigate.

Is a criminal investigation even "worth" money? Biden is even better than trump at being corrupt.

Nice try but that isn't the allegation. Shokin was still dirty and was never investigating Burisma. That's what you need to get Joe.

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Were there any policy changes that were made because of these payments?
Were the Biden's accepting foreign money for influence? Was Hunter Biden acting as a foreign agent? Did they take any other actions that benefited H. Biden and his cronies?

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These are speculative questions not allegations with any evidence. Hunter being on the board was definitely a bad look, not disputing that. But Joe Biden's actions appear above board and in-line with the anti-corruption stance from the EU and internal Ukrainian groups. Shokin had to go, partially because he protected Zlochevsky. Shokin is the ideal PGO you'd want to leave in place if you're interested in orchestrating corruption in Ukraine.

It's your speculation that the DOJ has no other evidence worth pursuing. A FARA case already seems strong...

And then if these charges are so easily debunked, what value would an investigation really bring Trump. Your entire narrative falls apart both ways.

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And then if these charges are so easily debunked, what value would an investigation really bring Trump.

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That's one of the funniest things about it. Trump being taken down by his own gullibility and conspiracy theory. A con man thinks everything's a con.

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And then if these charges are so easily debunked, what value would an investigation really bring Trump.

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That's one of the funniest things about it. Trump being taken down by his own gullibility and conspiracy theory. A con man thinks everything's a con.

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It won't. Because seeking an justice for citizens is his duty as President. Much like his intervention in Otto Wombier or A$AP Rocky.

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And then if these charges are so easily debunked, what value would an investigation really bring Trump.

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That's one of the funniest things about it. Trump being taken down by his own gullibility and conspiracy theory. A con man thinks everything's a con.

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So when will Trump be removed from office?

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And then if these charges are so easily debunked, what value would an investigation really bring Trump.

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That's one of the funniest things about it. Trump being taken down by his own gullibility and conspiracy theory. A con man thinks everything's a con.

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So when will Trump be removed from office?

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2024 once his second term ends.

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And then if these charges are so easily debunked, what value would an investigation really bring Trump.

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That's one of the funniest things about it. Trump being taken down by his own gullibility and conspiracy theory. A con man thinks everything's a con.

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It won't. Because seeking an justice for citizens is his duty as President. Much like his intervention in Otto Wombier or A$AP Rocky.

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*Seeking "justice" =/ pursuing a conspiracy theory in a way that helps him personally and hinders congressionally approved aid to an ally.

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These are speculative questions not allegations with any evidence. Hunter being on the board was definitely a bad look, not disputing that. But Joe Biden's actions appear above board and in-line with the anti-corruption stance from the EU and internal Ukrainian groups. Shokin had to go, partially because he protected Zlochevsky. Shokin is the ideal PGO you'd want to leave in place if you're interested in orchestrating corruption in Ukraine.

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Too bad Marie Yovanovitch said Lutshenko was way worse than Shokin.

Releasing her deposition was quite a mistake on Schiff's part.

A) She's not too bright.
B) She's way too much of a bureaucrat that only cared about Foggy Bottom.
C) She pretended that there was no CIA presence in her embassy in Ukraine. And thus she was operating in the darkness of the blind, except for some social media watchers at the embassy and then she complained the time difference was such a problem that she requested that DC do the social media watching for them and give them a readout the next morning.

When DC laughed and said, "Uhmm, no," she was upset.

She also talked to Fiona Hill at NSC often. Not clear why she didn't ask Fiona for the same heads up.

All in all, Yovanovitch's testimony was a damning example of how idiots who stay in the State Department long enough, get promoted beyond their abilities.

Franchione was way worse than RC, he still had to go. Keep swinging.

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And then if these charges are so easily debunked, what value would an investigation really bring Trump.

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That's one of the funniest things about it. Trump being taken down by his own gullibility and conspiracy theory. A con man thinks everything's a con.

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It won't. Because seeking an justice for citizens is his duty as President. Much like his intervention in Otto Wombier or A$AP Rocky.

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*Seeking "justice" =/ pursuing a conspiracy theory in a way that helps him personally and hinders congressionally approved aid to an ally.

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So then you agree that the Democrats use of the House "impeachment" inquiry as taxpayer paid political research should end and Congress should spend their time doing the business that they were elected to do?

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These are speculative questions not allegations with any evidence. Hunter being on the board was definitely a bad look, not disputing that. But Joe Biden's actions appear above board and in-line with the anti-corruption stance from the EU and internal Ukrainian groups. Shokin had to go, partially because he protected Zlochevsky. Shokin is the ideal PGO you'd want to leave in place if you're interested in orchestrating corruption in Ukraine.

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Too bad Marie Yovanovitch said Lutshenko was way worse than Shokin.

Releasing her deposition was quite a mistake on Schiff's part.

A) She's not too bright.
B) She's way too much of a bureaucrat that only cared about Foggy Bottom.
C) She pretended that there was no CIA presence in her embassy in Ukraine. And thus she was operating in the darkness of the blind, except for some social media watchers at the embassy and then she complained the time difference was such a problem that she requested that DC do the social media watching for them and give them a readout the next morning.

When DC laughed and said, "Uhmm, no," she was upset.

She also talked to Fiona Hill at NSC often. Not clear why she didn't ask Fiona for the same heads up.

All in all, Yovanovitch's testimony was a damning example of how idiots who stay in the State Department long enough, get promoted beyond their abilities.

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I bet that you would not be saying all this crap if Trump was a Democrat would you?

It's sad to watch you Republicans and Democrats pretend you are the righteous ones. It is sad but there is no true right or wrong anymore. No matter what was done or said, if it was done by somebody on your team it was okay, it was good, maybe it was even great!.
On the other hand if the SAME ACT was done by somebody on the other team. it was horrible, terrible, awful. maybe even illegal or Criminal..

This is especially true presently of the Republicans. Republicans are spineless cowards. They bow down and kiss Trump's feet and probably his ass if he asked them to.

Too many Republicans appear to be trying out for a position on Fox News. They twist the facts as far as they can so that they are inaccurate or they just make up crap.

Will you people please please please try to get back to the philosophy that if something is done that is bad or wrong or illegal, it is that way no matter if it's done by somebody on your team or somebody on the other team. It is still wrong and should be criticize.

Please guys please please please. This tribal Warfare somehow has just got to stop damnit. It has just got to stop!!!

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Very Interesting. Looks like Ukrainians viewed their payments to Biden as a bribe for access. I've been told by Metolius that this is a "high crime".

Thank GOD Trump was investigating such serious matters. A lesser president would have let Biden win the nomination and spring it next year. Hopefully the communist democrat party makes a better selection.

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Requesting a meeting with the US state department =/ pressuring the PGO to stop investigating a case it wasn't investigating anyway.

Bwahaaaaa the case cracker. Biden followed someone on Twitter. John Solomon is a propagandist, a bad one, not a reporter.

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A poster continually carrying water for Joe Biden, without evidence to back up his point, referring to the man who has primary evidence to back up his point as a propagandist.

In typical leftist fashion, you project your own actions upon those who shine the light upon the rats you defend.

You have a TELCON that only demonstrates the President exercising his right to enforce the laws of this nation against those who have behaved in a corrupt manner while in office.

You have the word of a "whistleblower" who has already been exposed as a collaborator with House Democrats during the Russia probe and was working with Mr. Schiff and his team when the whole thing started.

You also have the word of LTC Vindman, an individual who has a history of using his uniform to push leftist political messages during operations with foreign military components.

https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/04/retired-army-officer-remembers-lt-col-vindman-as-partisan-democrat-who-ridiculed-america/

So essentially you wish to impeach Trump on the basis of hearsay from extremists whose first loyalty is to the Democratic Party.

But when we have direct evidence of Democrat Party corruption, as was the case with the likes of Lois Lerner, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, and others, you are known by either by your absence from commentary or your willingness to serve as an apologist for it.

In your world, there is truly one rule for Democrats and quite another set of standards for everyone else.

Go take your meds