On gerrymandering

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nortex97
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A friendly reminder to never take Dem-'moderate'-'independent' complaints about it seriously.



14-3. Illinois voted 3.47 to 2.45 million for Biden. That's something like 40 percent for Trump, but their new map (which Eric Holder is apparently just fine and unbothered by), is clearly designed to hold GOP representation under 20 percent, by house district.

If this were along racial lines (which it sort of is) it would be a classic case of disenfranchisement a la disparate impact. Just a handy thread as we await our own new district map/lawsuits from the Dem-CCP folks.
Maroon Dawn
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This is why we should never listen to Dems trying to shame you into "fairness"

Be just as aggressive at shutting them out of every state we control with no chance of ever regaining power

Bag
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regardless of who started it, it has destroyed this country.

Gerrymandering + Social Media + Cancel Culture == FUBARed America
Decay
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Dems will always push to win. They will gaslight about fairness and appeal to everything they can find. They'll quote the bible to push for abortion. They're relentless. Give them nothing.
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nortex97 said:

A friendly reminder to never take Dem-'moderate'-'independent' complaints about it seriously.



14-3. Illinois voted 3.47 to 2.45 million for Biden. That's something like 40 percent for Trump, but their new map (which Eric Holder is apparently just fine and unbothered by), is clearly designed to hold GOP representation under 20 percent, by house district.

If this were along racial lines (which it sort of is) it would be a classic case of disenfranchisement a la disparate impact. Just a handy thread as we await our own new district map/lawsuits from the Dem-CCP folks.
Look at Arkansas, Oklahoma, Utah, or Ohio.

Dems get at least 25% of the vote in each state but have no seats at all. In ohios case, the delegation is 12-4 gop despite Ohio being a borderline swing state.
Kenneth_2003
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She-Jac is crying, even though her seat is still completely safe.
samurai_science
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Grapesoda2525 said:

nortex97 said:

A friendly reminder to never take Dem-'moderate'-'independent' complaints about it seriously.



14-3. Illinois voted 3.47 to 2.45 million for Biden. That's something like 40 percent for Trump, but their new map (which Eric Holder is apparently just fine and unbothered by), is clearly designed to hold GOP representation under 20 percent, by house district.

If this were along racial lines (which it sort of is) it would be a classic case of disenfranchisement a la disparate impact. Just a handy thread as we await our own new district map/lawsuits from the Dem-CCP folks.
Look at Arkansas, Oklahoma, Utah, or Ohio.

Dems get at least 25% of the vote in each state but have no seats at all. In ohios case, the delegation is 12-4 gop despite Ohio being a borderline swing state.
Good, why would we give Dems votes if we don't have to? They are the enemy.
nortex97
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Exactly. Gotta play the game by the same rules they do.
nortex97
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In possibly the best news I have read all week, Texas GOP appears to be considering a plan that could redistribution SJL out of congress;

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Texas Republicans have come up with a congressional redistricting plan. The plan would, in the loaded words of the Washington Post, "siphon off thousands of Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee's Black constituents and potentially force her into a primary election against her neighboring Black incumbent, Rep. Al Green."

This is a wonderful development. Jackson Lee, who once compared the Tea Party to the KKK, has no redeeming quality I've ever detected.

Green seems like a good guy (once, after a congressional hearing, he invited a friend of mine with whose testimony he disagreed to lunch). However, his over-the-top demands that Donald Trump be impeached before Trump had done anything even arguably impeachable (that is, before the Ukraine-Joe/Hunter Biden business) make him a good candidate for forced retirement.

Naturally, Jackson Lee and Green are unhappy about the proposed congressional map. And naturally, they are playing the race. They call new districting lines "an act of racial discrimination."

But neither member of Congress has a God-given right to represent a safe district. Neither has a God-given right not to have to compete for White votes.

Democrats use Black voters to get rid of Republican members via redistricting. It happened to my former representative, Republican Connie Morella.

Morella wasn't even a conservative. She was a centrist. But Democrats couldn't stand the thought of her representing a solidly Blue district, so they tried to redistrict her out of Congress.

The first attempt didn't work. Morella was so likeable and so good at constituent services that she survived.

Determined to take the seat, the Democrats tried again. Before the 2002 election, they removed yet more territory where Morella did well from her district and added areas that are predominantly Black.
It worked. Morella lost 51-48 to Chris Van Hollen, who is now a U.S. Senator.

Jackson Lee was a member of Congress at the time. I don't recall her complaining about the use of race to remove Connie Morella.

I don't recall the Washington Post complaining about it either. However, the Post's report on the Texas redistricting, by Colby Itkowitz, reads like a brief for Jackson Lee and Green.

To this end, Itkowitz gives the insufferable Jackson Lee the final word:
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Silencing a voice of opposition is the most deadly aspect of democracy. I guess they thought this would be the end of her. We haven't defeated her in all of these efforts. What else could it be?
Connie Morella could have said exactly the same thing in 2002.
Not gonna get my hopes up too far, but Lord I hope so.
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My prediction is Green moves to the 9th (his current district) or doesnt run. SheJack remains queen of the 18th

In the bright side, I'm out of her district
nortex97
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Not a bad guess.
zephyr88
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All districts should be simple like the one in the southern tip.
BMX Bandit
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zephyr88 said:

All districts should be simple like the one in the southern tip.


No.
TheEternalPessimist
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zephyr88 said:

All districts should be simple like the one in the southern tip.
I will agree to this ONLY after Democrats agree to the same in all their states.

But we both know that will NEVER happen.
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Illinois court rules against Dem-CCP in redistricting suit;

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The Court declares that the June Redistricting Plan, Public Act 102-0010, violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution," the court ruling stated.
The Republican's lawsuit asserted that that because the legislative maps were drawn using American Community Survey (ACS) population estimates, rather than the final 2020 census enumeration data, the maps cannot ensure the populations are equal as required by the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause and its one person, one vote rule.

Redistricting is the process of redrawing state legislative and congressional district boundaries following the decennial U.S. Census, which happens every 10 years. The Illinois maps were drawn in June by a Democrat majority committee made up of state legislators. Governor J.B. Pritzker, a Democrat, signed the new maps into law on Sept. 24.

Adam Kincaid, the executive director at National Republican Redistricting Trust (NRRT) said in a recent interview that Pritzker should not have approved the maps in the first place.
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"Number one, it didn't use real data; number two, it was clearly partisan; and number three, he promised a veto it, right? He said that he wanted the commission to draw the map. Governor Pritzker's veto would have forced an (independent) commission to draw the maps," said Kincaid.

"But what did he do? He signed it anyway."

Pritzker's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the court's ruling.

Illinois is just one of the states where the redistricting process is heated and the new maps are being contested. Oregon, Texas, Colorado, Virginia, Wisconsin, Alabama, South Carolina, Louisiana, Ohio, and Arkansas are some of the other states in redistricting disputes.


All of these lawsuits whether filed by Democrats or Republicans are in an effort to define congressional districts that will best facilitate each party gaining an advantage to win the majority in the 2022 elections.
samurai_science
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fc2112
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The 1992 map the Democrats said totally was not gerrymandering



The 2020 map that Democrats say it totally gerrymandering



Gerrymandering is what the party out of power always claims.
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Grapesoda2525 said:

nortex97 said:

A friendly reminder to never take Dem-'moderate'-'independent' complaints about it seriously.



14-3. Illinois voted 3.47 to 2.45 million for Biden. That's something like 40 percent for Trump, but their new map (which Eric Holder is apparently just fine and unbothered by), is clearly designed to hold GOP representation under 20 percent, by house district.

If this were along racial lines (which it sort of is) it would be a classic case of disenfranchisement a la disparate impact. Just a handy thread as we await our own new district map/lawsuits from the Dem-CCP folks.
Look at Arkansas, Oklahoma, Utah, or Ohio.

Dems get at least 25% of the vote in each state but have no seats at all. In ohios case, the delegation is 12-4 gop despite Ohio being a borderline swing state.


Or Nevada where Dems got 48% of the popular vote in 2022 but won 75% of congressional seats.

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