Are small modular reactors (SMR) the answer to power needs?

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Ulysses90 said:

cecil77 said:

Brilliant. The containment vessel is essentially a thermos bottle.

Looks like no brainer encourage implementations.

If there's a downside I don't see it.



The downside is that the NiScale SMR relies on High Assay Low Enriched Uradium (HALEU). HALEU as a fuel means that Russia is the only fuel source. This dependence o Russia is completely overlooked or ignored by the NRC and NuScale.

https://climatecrocks.com/2022/05/11/what-the-hell-is-haleu/

The molten salt reactor design uses Thorium which is far safer than a pressurized water reactor and requires no containment vessel. It is even more compact than the pressurized water SMRs.

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/10/kirk-sorensen-updates-his-molten-salt-reactor-company.html

https://www.epri.com/research/products/000000003002005460

The NRC and AEC have been trying to kill the potential to ever have Thorium based MSRs by destroying US reserves of U233 that is necessary for the fuel cycle of Thorium MSRs

https://energyfromthorium.com/2022/05/01/u233-key/

Sen Tommy Tuberville has sponsored a bill to stop the funding in the federal budget for destroying U233 reserves.

https://www.tuberville.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/tuberville-marshall-introduce-bill-to-save-clean-safe-nuclear-power/

https://www-breitbart-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/17/tommy-tuberville-leads-push-american-energy-independence-safe-clean-thorium-reactors/amp/






They are so particular.
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So am I getting one for my backyard?
fullback44
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Interesting thread although for the average peasant this thread is a little hard to follow.

Are these small size nuclear reactors a reality and will they work? My buddy at Zackry engineering told me they may build some of these if I'm not mistaken
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fullback44 said:

Interesting thread although for the average peasant this thread is a little hard to follow.

Are these small size nuclear reactors a reality and will they work? My buddy at Zackry engineering told me they may build some of these if I'm not mistaken
It depends on the left if we decide we like nuclear now.
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ts5641 said:

fullback44 said:

Interesting thread although for the average peasant this thread is a little hard to follow.

Are these small size nuclear reactors a reality and will they work? My buddy at Zackry engineering told me they may build some of these if I'm not mistaken
It depends on the left if we decide we like nuclear now.


I'm questioning the reality of these type units, not interested in the political aspect. My question is are these types of units real and viable energy options ? Of course there will be some political side of this but they need to work before companies will invest money in them. (I hope they are not like solar farms where it's basically a government funding project or they don't work)
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fullback44 said:

ts5641 said:

fullback44 said:

Interesting thread although for the average peasant this thread is a little hard to follow.

Are these small size nuclear reactors a reality and will they work? My buddy at Zackry engineering told me they may build some of these if I'm not mistaken
It depends on the left if we decide we like nuclear now.


I'm questioning the reality of these type units, not interested in the political aspect. My question is are these types of units real and viable energy options ? Of course there will be some political side of this but they need to work before companies will invest money in them. (I hope they are not like solar farms where it's basically a government funding project or they don't work)


What do you think powers nuclear submarines and carriers?

The tech has been around for decades. It's just regulators blocking nuclear.
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bmks270 said:





What do you think powers nuclear submarines and carriers?

The tech has been around for decades. It's just regulators blocking nuclear.

My understanding is Biden pledged to transition all nuclear submarines to run on solar / wind power, though I understand there may be some technical challenges to work through.
IIIHorn
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Pinochet said:

So am I getting one for my backyard?
Sure,

You could claim that it's a watter feature.
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Pinochet said:

So am I getting one for my backyard?
Nano nuclear is working on a mobile unit:

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fullback44 said:

ts5641 said:

fullback44 said:

Interesting thread although for the average peasant this thread is a little hard to follow.

Are these small size nuclear reactors a reality and will they work? My buddy at Zackry engineering told me they may build some of these if I'm not mistaken
It depends on the left if we decide we like nuclear now.


I'm questioning the reality of these type units, not interested in the political aspect. My question is are these types of units real and viable energy options ? Of course there will be some political side of this but they need to work before companies will invest money in them. (I hope they are not like solar farms where it's basically a government funding project or they don't work)
Yes, these are 100% viable and a great solution.
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DOW completed the application process for 4 SMR's to be built just outside of Victoria. That was after 6-8 years (probably more) of "studies". Application review will take 18-24 months. IF approved, then they will move forward with the early stages of construction.

IF the permits are approved. Remember, they worked with NRC for nearly a decade on this already. But that's our federal government - they hate you, and don't ever forget that.
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schmellba99 said:

DOW completed the application process for 4 SMR's to be built just outside of Victoria. That was after 6-8 years (probably more) of "studies". Application review will take 18-24 months. IF approved, then they will move forward with the early stages of construction.

IF the permits are approved. Remember, they worked with NRC for nearly a decade on this already. But that's our federal government - they hate you, and don't ever forget that.
Are these the plants that are being built to power the DOW plant near Seadrift?
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More information on the Dow project in Seadrift.

The US and Texas in particular could lead the way on nuclear and clean nat gas energy.

Just need to gubmit to get out the friggin way.

https://x-energy.com/media/news-releases/dow-and-x-energy-submit-construction-permit-application-to-the-us-nuclear-regulatory-commission-for-proposed-advanced-nuclear-project-in-texas
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flown-the-coop said:

More information on the Dow project in Seadrift.

The US and Texas in particular could lead the way on nuclear and clean nat gas energy.

Just need to gubmit to get out the friggin way.

https://x-energy.com/media/news-releases/dow-and-x-energy-submit-construction-permit-application-to-the-us-nuclear-regulatory-commission-for-proposed-advanced-nuclear-project-in-texas


Taking the bull by the horns Texas style. We buy products out of that Dow plant in Seadrift. I kind of feel like we are supporting this technology in a way now. To be honest, I had no clue this kind of technology was this far advanced and ready for construction, I guess this is a good thing. 2 post above I was wondering if this was a viable option and now I see one of our suppliers is about to be using it
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schmellba99 said:

DOW completed the application process for 4 SMR's to be built just outside of Victoria. That was after 6-8 years (probably more) of "studies". Application review will take 18-24 months. IF approved, then they will move forward with the early stages of construction.

IF the permits are approved. Remember, they worked with NRC for nearly a decade on this already. But that's our federal government - they hate you, and don't ever forget that.
Yup, Dow plans to use these, and do the same up in Canada to use electricity generated heat for their ethylene crackers rather nat gas generated steam.

All part of their 2050 net zero plans. I've been removed too long from the business development to remember what they called their specific program.
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I think we will discover that eliminating carbon emissions by humans will have a net zero effect.
I hate tu. It's in my blood.
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I'm on the wait list for an Enron Egg.

https://enron.com/pages/the-egg
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Ag with kids said:

schmellba99 said:

DOW completed the application process for 4 SMR's to be built just outside of Victoria. That was after 6-8 years (probably more) of "studies". Application review will take 18-24 months. IF approved, then they will move forward with the early stages of construction.

IF the permits are approved. Remember, they worked with NRC for nearly a decade on this already. But that's our federal government - they hate you, and don't ever forget that.
Are these the plants that are being built to power the DOW plant near Seadrift?
You are correct, it is Seadrift. I could have sworn it was Victoria, but sometimes I have the 'tarded and get things mixed up.
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This guy is one of my favorites on the topic, nice review of China's nuke programs, which in all sincerity I think are fascinating. Amazing they still today get over 80 percent of their juice from coal power plants.

TLDW: they are actively constructing 28 reactors right now (vs. 1 in France and 1 in the US).
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I'd think this might draw more attention today/this weekend.

LFG.
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I signed up for one of those Enron eggs someone posted.

Big part of the announcement is invoking the DTPA for the getting the raw ingredients together then also all the permitting coordination.

And yes, LFG.
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To quote former POTATUS Biden, "This is a big ****ing deal"...
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So China is now lighting off thorium reactors while the west has been putting up windmills and cleaning bird **** off solar panels for two decades.

What's the status of that nuclear plant that Bezos was suppose to be building off I-80 in Wyoming?
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Amazon says "the shipper has your package but is running late. Would you like to cancel and order again?"
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Not sure. Westinghouse announced plans to put some out in Amarillo though.

Clearly, their PR graphics guy has never been to West Texas, however.

Saw this one yesterday:

Not SMR-related but perhaps an example of 'what not to do' with nuke plants, see the Brit Hinkley project;

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Update, the Natrium SMR project in Kemmerer WY has officially broken ground I guess finally. I think it's Bill Gates (puke) who is backing this one, not Bezos. Could be wrong.


They were delayed by a couple of years…because the fuel was going to come from Russia.

I think this was 'fixed' via legislation to provide for domestic fuel, which is nice.
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Nuclear is the answer to our energy problems and any leftist protesting nuclear isn't actually serious about their environmental god they worship.
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ts5641 said:

fullback44 said:

Interesting thread although for the average peasant this thread is a little hard to follow.

Are these small size nuclear reactors a reality and will they work? My buddy at Zackry engineering told me they may build some of these if I'm not mistaken
It depends on the left if we decide we like nuclear now.


It's not just the left that wants This technology to be kept on the shelf
Granted the left has plenty of useful idiots but Fossil Fuel interests (imo) are the guys writing the checks that help the useful idiots successfully oppose more Nuclear Generation Capacity

Looking at Europe the useful idiots over there are in the process of of shuttering much of their nuclear capacity , but it was probably ( again imo ) Russian bots and money that got the useful idiots fired up
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USAF is planning to build microreactors at up to nine airbases.

EIELSON

Army is building a mobile microreactor.

PELE

Will use this technology.

TRISO

France gets 70% of its electricity from nuclear and is investing in microreactors, as well.

XAMR
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The left wants a scarcity of affordable energy, period, that is why the left in Europe, here and elsewhere is so motivated to keep this sidelined. There's no evidence, at all, that the big 'fossil fuel' companies are sidelining this somehow. They sure couldn't comparatively sideline the wind/solar power (high cost) garbage the left champions, for example over the past 20 years.

Climate change is a religion to the global left, and they cannot allow cheap nuclear energy to threaten their need for more taxes/government/sacrament of population reduction.
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This SMR stuff is really the only stuff I have ever thought 'gee, maybe Bill Gates is doing something good here' about.
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nortex97 said:

The left wants a scarcity of affordable energy, period, that is why the left in Europe, here and elsewhere is so motivated to keep this sidelined. There's no evidence, at all, that the big 'fossil fuel' companies are sidelining this somehow. They sure couldn't comparatively sideline the wind/solar power (high cost) garbage the left champions, for example over the past 20 years.

Climate change is a religion to the global left, and they cannot allow cheap nuclear energy to threaten their need for more taxes/government/sacrament of population reduction.


Close. The left doesn't care even a little about climate change. Government is their religion and cheap, abundant energy is the greatest development in the history of mankind. It is the single most important factor in the advancement of the human condition ever. This single factor has created a world where literally anyone can be anything and government isn't the ultimate decision maker for who wins and loses.

What climate change does is give them cover to artificially inflate the price of energy which restricts who can afford access at a level sufficient to do big things. It's a way of keeping government relevant by making it seem as if energy production is bad and must be controlled by government, to protect the environment.
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I'm sure this has already been discussed here, but I was driving by RELLIS a couple of weeks ago and wondered about all of the contruction.

Texas A&M - RELLIS Energy Proving Ground

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Texas A&M University System is advancing its initiative to host four small modular reactor (SMR) projects at the 2,400-acre RELLIS campus in Bryan, Texas, with the goal of creating a national hub for advanced nuclear innovation and testing. The project, known as the Energy Proving Ground, aims to bring commercial-ready SMR technologies from Kairos Power, Natura Resources, Terrestrial Energy, and Aalo Atomics to the site, with the potential to generate over 1 gigawatt of electricity combined. The university has already begun the application process with the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission for an Early Site Permit to support the development of commercial power generation facilities.

Terrestrial Energy's IMSR Plant at RELLIS Terrestrial Energy has been selected to site its Integral Molten Salt Reactor (IMSR) plant at the RELLIS campus following a formal Request for Proposals process that began in August 2024. The company, led by CEO Simon Irish, views this partnership as a critical strategic relationship to showcase the commercial potential of its advanced nuclear technology. The planned first IMSR plant is expected to be located about nine miles west of the main Texas A&M University campus in College Station. Terrestrial Energy has also chosen Ameresco as a partner for the project.

Natura Resources' Deployment at RELLIS Natura Resources has partnered with Texas A&M University to deploy its Natura MSR-100 reactor at the RELLIS Campus as part of the Energy Proving Ground initiative. The company, led by CEO Douglass Robison, highlighted the significance of this deployment in advancing its clean energy mission and meeting the energy needs of Texas and the nation. This project is one of two advanced nuclear deployments announced by Natura in Texas, the other being in the Permian Basin
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Kairos Power and Aalo Atomics Kairos Power, led by CEO Mike Laufer, has committed to bringing one or more commercial deployments to the RELLIS site, aiming to advance its clean energy mission and contribute to U.S. energy security. Aalo Atomics, led by CEO Matt Loszak, is prepared to build up to six units at the site, viewing the collaboration as a pivotal step to demonstrate its factory mass-manufactured nuclear technology for powering data centers and AI infrastructure.

 
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