Because it limits the oppositions ability to just brush aside the spokesperson due to their affiliation with the group. ETA: it is simply using the oppositions offensive/defensive scheme against them.

Aside from that I think the reason the ridiculous issue hasn't disappeared from society is due to some people's inability to admit that when it comes to intelligence at the highest levels, or physical prowess at the highest levels, Men absolutely dominate women. Men are in fact more powerful than women. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT ONE IS INFERIOR/SUPERIOR TO THE OTHER - unless you reject Judeo Christian Doctrine, in which case materialism will always take those atrributes & ascribe preference to those who exhibit them the most, resulting in those born with incredible gifts feeling bad for what they have or abusing them, and those without becoming jealous & resenting them.

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1) You don't hear many - if any - politicians openly state gender dysphoria is a mental disease
2) Jenner is an adult and the "fight" is about protecting kids

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1) it is a mental disease. We have all said it multiple times on F16.
2) Has Jenner ever come out and said "what I did to myself was a mistake. I wish I never would have and could take it back"? If not, what kind of example do you think is being set for kids who watch him on TV when he's paraded out all the time? Maybe he has said it and I've missed it.

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Isn't it a common belief of the right/Republicans that transgenderism (thinking you're another gender, wanting to mutilate your own body to fit into whatever you think you feel comfortable in, etc.) is a mental illness?

If this is the case, why do we keep parading out Caitlyn Jenner onto every talk show and GOP event as if he's a leading voice for the right? Is he a mental case or is he a sane voice in the conservative movement? Can't have both.

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I refer you to Robert Conquest's third Law of Politics:

"The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies."

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Most conservatives don't give a rats behind what an adult decides to do to their body. Our issue is taking a mentally unstable child and mutilating their body and riddling their brains with hormones before they reach puberty and adulthood

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QFT

He is mentally ill, IMO. It doesn't mean he's wrong about everything else.

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Most conservatives don't give a rats behind what an adult decides to do to their body. Our issue is taking a mentally unstable child and mutilating their body and riddling their brains with hormones before they reach puberty and adulthood

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Which is, of course, their fatal mistake. They grant the premise of their enemy and then try to hold some arbitrary defensive position that has no real philosophical underpinning. It's why we lose every single time.

The truly conservative position is to oppose this ideology at any age, because clearly it is pure insanity and corrosive to the foundations of society itself. But of course we can't do this because the libertarian mind virus has taken too strong a hold on mainstream "conservative" thought.

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This is exactly my point.

Well said.

In fact, I developed respect for Jenner over time when I began to see just how serious he was about his mental illness.

I think if you talked to true transgender / gender dystrophic folks, most would determine they have suffered from mental torment and mental illness.

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gtaggie_08 said:

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Most conservatives don't give a rats behind what an adult decides to do to their body. Our issue is taking a mentally unstable child and mutilating their body and riddling their brains with hormones before they reach puberty and adulthood

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Which is, of course, their fatal mistake. They grant the premise of their enemy and then try to hold some arbitrary defensive position that has no real philosophical underpinning. It's why we lose every single time.

The truly conservative position is to oppose this ideology at any age, because clearly it is pure insanity and corrosive to the foundations of society itself. But of course we can't do this because the libertarian mind virus has taken too strong a hold on mainstream "conservative" thought.

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This is exactly my point.

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And you are exactly correct.

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gtaggie_08 said:

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Most conservatives don't give a rats behind what an adult decides to do to their body. Our issue is taking a mentally unstable child and mutilating their body and riddling their brains with hormones before they reach puberty and adulthood

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Which is, of course, their fatal mistake. They grant the premise of their enemy and then try to hold some arbitrary defensive position that has no real philosophical underpinning. It's why we lose every single time.

The truly conservative position is to oppose this ideology at any age, because clearly it is pure insanity and corrosive to the foundations of society itself. But of course we can't do this because the libertarian mind virus has taken too strong a hold on mainstream "conservative" thought.

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We're probably 3 years or less away from "dEmOCrAtS aRE tHe ReaL TraNSpHObeS"

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gtaggie_08 said:

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Most conservatives don't give a rats behind what an adult decides to do to their body. Our issue is taking a mentally unstable child and mutilating their body and riddling their brains with hormones before they reach puberty and adulthood

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Which is, of course, their fatal mistake. They grant the premise of their enemy and then try to hold some arbitrary defensive position that has no real philosophical underpinning. It's why we lose every single time.

The truly conservative position is to oppose this ideology at any age, because clearly it is pure insanity and corrosive to the foundations of society itself. But of course we can't do this because the libertarian mind virus has taken too strong a hold on mainstream "conservative" thought.

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We're probably 3 years or less away from "dEmOCrAtS aRE tHe ReaL TraNSpHObeS"

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Loving the optimism!

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. This is something the APA has been clear on for a very long time, the only thing that's changed is the name they give it. It used to be called gender identity disorder.

The challenge the GOP fails at is how do you argue against insanity? Leftists are very good at framing a debate in terms that are absurd and indefensible but are presented as a normal thing. "Trying to stop a drag queen from performing at your local elementary school is transphobic". Nothing about the act is defensible, but it's presented in terms where the drag queen's performance is not the crazy part, performing for little kids is not the crazy part, doing so at the elementary school is not the crazy part. The crazy part is whether or not parents should have any notice that this is going to happen at their child's school. The leftists frame the argument this way very well.

Who is "we?" I haven't watched Bruce Jenner since he was in the Olympics.

The dimtards message is not framed very well. They just have the msm backing the message.
The key is for everyone on the right to stay in lockstep with the truth and consistently frame the transgender movement as nonsensical and never back down and be completely unified in defending anyone who speaks the truth. The problem the right has is too many politicians who are weak and refuse to lead.

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The challenge the GOP fails at is how do you argue against insanity?

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You don't. You let them have their insane conversation to themselves.

Quit trying to beat them in arguments and just state your principles clearly, and then don't give an inch on them

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Isn't it a common belief of the right/Republicans that transgenderism (thinking you're another gender, wanting to mutilate your own body to fit into whatever you think you feel comfortable in, etc.) is a mental illness?

If this is the case, why do we keep parading out Caitlyn Jenner onto every talk show and GOP event as if he's a leading voice for the right? Is he a mental case or is he a sane voice in the conservative movement? Can't have both.

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You seem to make a claim that makes science disagrees with the Republican/Conservatism? I certainly don't to any transgendered to follow the science that biological sex of an individual can not be surgically switched.

But lets us entertain your question. Do you think there could be a better TG athlete to speak on behalf of biological women that it is unfair for them to compete against biological males? Not sure how any one is trotting him out like a puppet to parrot some conservative belief.

Everyone needs a "token"...

People still watch the MSM? I didn't even know Jenner was on anything except one of those reality shows.

If it helps, I think Jenner is effed up.

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If this is the case, why do we keep parading out Caitlyn Jenner onto every talk show and GOP event as if he's a leading voice for the right?

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what GOP events are those?

I think you are greatly over exaggerating Jenner as a "leading voice"

Wouldn't it be the case that Bruce/Caitlin is mentally ill, but fully recognizes it, but lives it out all the same?

I'm asking not stating.

Having a mental illness isn't a sin

Trying to force your illness into others, especially children, absolutely is

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Most conservatives don't give a rats behind what an adult decides to do to their body. Our issue is taking a mentally unstable child and mutilating their body and riddling their brains with hormones before they reach puberty and adulthood

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This... conservatives fight the agenda, not the people. We want to change hearts and minds, to educate and expand the ideas and ideals of freedom. Conservatives do not generally attempt to "recruit" new member, they want to accept new members.

The trans groomers are just the opposite and that is what conservatives oppose.

Part of that "education" is mental health, if there is an issue then it is best to seek treatment, not accept the condition as normal.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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nope, there were quite a few of us who disapproved loudly when the tranny stuff was pushed on us in the form of bruce jenner by trump-pals grenell and hannity. https://t.co/6kN8NYIzGo pic.twitter.com/i993cdOkXj

— Pearly White Killer Toad (@PearlyKillrToad) April 12, 2023

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If this is the case, why do we keep parading out Caitlyn Jenner onto every talk show and GOP event as if he's a leading voice for the right?

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what GOP events are those?

I think you are greatly over exaggerating Jenner as a "leading voice"

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Fox News Channel says it has hired Caitlyn Jenner as a contributor, with her first appearance set for Thursday on Sean Hannity's program.

Published: March 31, 2022

https://t.co/KvUTuma9WG

— Pastor A.B. Harris (@pastorabharris) April 10, 2023

You do realize neither of those things you posted is a GOP event, right?

Fox wants Jenner on TV because it drives ratings. For some bizarre reason, people want to hear his/her take on things.

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You do realize neither of those things you posted is a GOP event, right?

Fox wants Jenner on TV because it drives ratings. For some bizarre reason, people want to hear his/her take on things.

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Seriously?
The dude ran for Republican governor of California and has been at the GOP conventions. LDP took a pic with him. He's been all over the place as a Republican.

What if Bruce went on all those shows and admitted he is probably a little Coo-Coo and mental health does probably play a role?

You are moving the goalposts again.

Jenner is not out out by GOP as a leader on anything.