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If you can make them better with less water, I'm all for it.

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I'm still not convinced that our washing machine really cleans clothes with so little water. I wish I had taken my Mom's old harvest gold Maytag units when she sold her house - that baby held a swimming pool of water & never required service.

edit: no fancy electronics either: pull the knob, turn the knob, push the knob.

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Speed Queen TC-5 for the win here.

We had a 17 year old set of Whirlpool Gold W/D that still worked but was showing some age. Knowing we intend to build a fish cabin/bay house in the next few years, and electronics fair poorly in that environment, we replaced them with a Speed Queen TC-5 washer and matching dryer. Prepped the old Whirlpools for storage for later.

The Speed Queen definitely cleans, with an old school direct drive agitator off of a transmission. No belts here. Can fill the tub as well, as it gets by standards by having the Eco Wash setting that you can reduce the amount of water if you want to. Loads take half the time of big names on the market for each similar type wash. Wife can have 6 full size loads knocked out starting mid-morning and finishing by dinner.

Speed queen has turning knobs and timers but the start button is electronic. Afraid we just aren't gonna get away from that nowadays.

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Our newer Maytag uses an agitator. I do not know if it's "direct drive" but I f'ing hate it.

Give me a non-agitator machine all day long. I will be **** canning this washer and putting it on the curb when we move and it's basically brand new. Don't even care.

CDUB98 said:

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They want to drive us back to the stone age so badly.

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Well...just the ones who aren't party elites. They can continue with their armed security, SUV caravans, private jets, large homes with commercial-grade appliances, A/C on 68 all summer, etc.

So fake. I don't know why people are dumb enough to vote for that crap.

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(Bloomberg) -- The Biden administration is advancing stricter efficiency requirements for household dishwashers that promise to pare water and greenhouse gas emissions as well as utility bills, years after former President Donald Trump exempted speed-cleaning models.

Under the Energy Department's proposed standard, conventional household dishwashers made in or imported into the US as soon as 2027 would have to use 27% less power and 34% less water no more than 3.3 gallons during their normal, default cycles. Compact models would see a 22% and 11% reduction in power and water use, respectively. The requirements would not apply to other dishwasher cycles, including those with faster run times.

The dishwasher measure, advanced alongside requirements for electric motors and beverage vending machines, comes as the performance of gas stoves, washing machines and other household appliances draws scrutiny. And while the proposed dishwasher requirements promise to save consumers money over their lifetimes roughly $168 million per year according to the Energy Department's estimate there could be higher initial costs, as manufacturers design new models to comply.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-05/water-wasting-dishwashers-in-crosshairs-as-biden-eyes-efficiency#.ZFkgrhwCK0g.gmail

First they came for the heated dry. Then they came for the phosphate detergent. I will be sticking with my 17 year old dishwasher until it craps out. "I'm from the government, and I am here to help!" So stupid.

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The only regulations Democrats hate are those that prevent innocent children from being murdered in the womb and those that stop their psychopathic extremist base from indoctrinating children with their porn and sexually deviant culture.

I asked my AI machine to stop mining bitcoin and growing cannabis and get the damn dishes done. Its little wheel is still spinning whilst I wait.

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Forgot to mention, Lawnmowers being pushed to electric as well as blowers.

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This is market driven

I bought a Trump era dishwasher in 2019. It kicks the shiznit out of the original Obama era dishwasher in our house installed in 2013.

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You can cut down on greenhouse gas emissions by not feeding your dishwasher Mexican food.

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Also, my dishwasher doesn't suck nearly as much as I want it to.

I see what you did here....

Saving each person $.50 per year! How great!

DTP02 said:

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So we'll have to wash more by hand before we put it in the dishwasher, and dump more water and dishwashing soap down the drain in the process. I seriously question whether this would accomplish anything positive.

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My Bosch is both the most efficient and most effective dishwasher I've ever owned. No pre-washing. You can definitely get you one that does both.

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DTP02 said:

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So we'll have to wash more by hand before we put it in the dishwasher, and dump more water and dishwashing soap down the drain in the process. I seriously question whether this would accomplish anything positive.

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My Bosch is both the most efficient and most effective dishwasher I've ever owned. No pre-washing. You can definitely get you one that does both.

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It obviously did not occur to you before you posted this...

"Hmm, why doesn't Bosch make it even more efficient and just as effective. You know, as efficient as the Biden Marxists are now demanding."

Lol.

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DTP02 said:

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So we'll have to wash more by hand before we put it in the dishwasher, and dump more water and dishwashing soap down the drain in the process. I seriously question whether this would accomplish anything positive.

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My Bosch is both the most efficient and most effective dishwasher I've ever owned. No pre-washing. You can definitely get you one that does both.

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Evidently it does not have a silence function when it washes insulated beverage containers.

Our lab gets up from the far side of the house as soon as she hears the wife starting to wash dishes.

Her tongue looks like a giraffe eating as she works over every single dish. Its great for prewash, not so great for her breath.

As always Rocky, meme is on point!

If they were really committed to climate nazism then they would seek to ban all those oil-based plastic bins and cups and containers that won't dry in the dishwasher no matter what.

rally the lib troops and ban plastic! go woke mob, go!


see how fast they change their tunes then...

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CDUB98 said:

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They want to drive us back to the stone age so badly.

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Well...just the ones who aren't party elites. They can continue with their armed security, SUV caravans, private jets, large homes with commercial-grade appliances, A/C on 68 all summer, etc.

So fake. I don't know why people are dumb enough to vote for that crap.

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tsk, tsk...they have brown people for that

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At what point is it better to pull out the drying rack and dish towels and do them by hand? If we have to pre wash anyway, why not cut out the now useless machine?

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I'm going on 26 years of making that exact argument to my wife and kids.

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AgBQ-00 said:

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At what point is it better to pull out the drying rack and dish towels and do them by hand? If we have to pre wash anyway, why not cut out the now useless machine?

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I'm going on 26 years of making that exact argument to my wife and kids.

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OUr washing machine broke when I was 6yo. We gained more cabinet space and lost counterspace but washing dishes manually was all I ever knew growing up. Only rich folk used a dishwasher.

I will one up you.

Our dishwasher wasn't broke, but hand washing is all I ever knew. It was considered too expensive to run the dishwasher.

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cypress-ag said:

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Forgot to mention, Lawnmowers being pushed to electric as well as blowers.

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Not where I live! You'd have to charge a mower at least once to finish the whole yard! Battery op weed eater and blower works ok. No way on the mower. Electric mowers are for city yards.

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DTP02 said:

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So we'll have to wash more by hand before we put it in the dishwasher, and dump more water and dishwashing soap down the drain in the process. I seriously question whether this would accomplish anything positive.

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My Bosch is both the most efficient and most effective dishwasher I've ever owned. No pre-washing. You can definitely get you one that does both.

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It obviously did not occur to you before you posted this...

"Hmm, why doesn't Bosch make it even more efficient and just as effective. You know, as efficient as the Biden Marxists are now demanding."

Lol.

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It is that efficient. There definitely are dishwashers that efficient that do not suck. It's not an issue near and dear to my heart that everyone needs to have one, I'm just saying.

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Teslag said:

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Forgot to mention, Lawnmowers being pushed to electric as well as blowers.

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Not where I live! You'd have to charge a mower at least once to finish the whole yard! Battery op weed eater and blower works ok. No way on the mower. Electric mowers are for city yards.

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They have multi acre electric zero turns now, though I just bought a gas Hustler. For traditional push mowers it's pretty much all electric demand now.

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So we'll have to wash more by hand before we put it in the dishwasher, and dump more water and dishwashing soap down the drain in the process. I seriously question whether this would accomplish anything positive.

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My Bosch is both the most efficient and most effective dishwasher I've ever owned. No pre-washing. You can definitely get you one that does both.

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It obviously did not occur to you before you posted this...

"Hmm, why doesn't Bosch make it even more efficient and just as effective. You know, as efficient as the Biden Marxists are now demanding."

Lol.

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It is that efficient. There definitely are dishwashers that efficient that do not suck. It's not an issue near and dear to my heart that everyone needs to have one, I'm just saying.

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The Bosch "drying cycle" sucks bigly. We just put a 300 series in the office. It's efficient because there's no heating element. From Bosch:

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Do any Bosch dishwashers have heated drying?


All Bosch dishwashers use a condensation drying process. Instead of utilizing a heating element at the bottom of a dishwasher, condensation drying involves a number of dishwashing elements that work together to efficiently dry your dishes.

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https://www.bosch-home.com/us/experience-bosch/tips-and-tricks/all-articles/tips-to-maximize-drying#:~:text=All%20Bosch%20dishwashers%20use%20a,to%20efficiently%20dry%20your%20dishes.

Teslag said:

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Forgot to mention, Lawnmowers being pushed to electric as well as blowers.

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I replaced all my gas yard tools with EGO two years ago. The first generation of batteries were not good. The second generation (I have now) work awesome. And full five year warranty on everything. Dollar for dollar, I don't know if I am saving but I can tell you the convenience factor makes it worth while.

This was a totally market driven decision for me. When they finally put out an electric product that I felt was superior to the gas products (relative to my needs) I went with it and two years later still really happy with the decision.

P.H. Dexippus said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

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DTP02 said:

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So we'll have to wash more by hand before we put it in the dishwasher, and dump more water and dishwashing soap down the drain in the process. I seriously question whether this would accomplish anything positive.

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My Bosch is both the most efficient and most effective dishwasher I've ever owned. No pre-washing. You can definitely get you one that does both.

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It obviously did not occur to you before you posted this...

"Hmm, why doesn't Bosch make it even more efficient and just as effective. You know, as efficient as the Biden Marxists are now demanding."

Lol.

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It is that efficient. There definitely are dishwashers that efficient that do not suck. It's not an issue near and dear to my heart that everyone needs to have one, I'm just saying.

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The Bosch "drying cycle" sucks bigly. We just put a 300 series in the office. It's efficient because there's no heating element.

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800 Series. Heated drying. And I'm talking water efficiency, not energy efficiency.

The 800 series no longer has a heating element. Bosch use a hot final rinse to promote drying through condensation.

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Old Sarge said:

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If you can make them better with less water, I'm all for it.

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I'm still not convinced that our washing machine really cleans clothes with so little water. I wish I had taken my Mom's old harvest gold Maytag units when she sold her house - that baby held a swimming pool of water & never required service.

edit: no fancy electronics either: pull the knob, turn the knob, push the knob.

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Speed Queen TC-5 for the win here.

We had a 17 year old set of Whirlpool Gold W/D that still worked but was showing some age. Knowing we intend to build a fish cabin/bay house in the next few years, and electronics fair poorly in that environment, we replaced them with a Speed Queen TC-5 washer and matching dryer. Prepped the old Whirlpools for storage for later.

The Speed Queen definitely cleans, with an old school direct drive agitator off of a transmission. No belts here. Can fill the tub as well, as it gets by standards by having the Eco Wash setting that you can reduce the amount of water if you want to. Loads take half the time of big names on the market for each similar type wash. Wife can have 6 full size loads knocked out starting mid-morning and finishing by dinner.

Speed queen has turning knobs and timers but the start button is electronic. Afraid we just aren't gonna get away from that nowadays.

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Our newer Maytag uses an agitator. I do not know if it's "direct drive" but I f'ing hate it.

Give me a non-agitator machine all day long. I will be **** canning this washer and putting it on the curb when we move and it's basically brand new. Don't even care.

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First off, what exactly is it about an agitator that you hate some much.

Second, if your machine is relatively new, then it doesn't have a real agitator that actually works. That post in the middle is fake and doesn't do anything, which is why it has almost no fin on it. They left those posts in the middle to fool people into thinking it works like a real agitator, but it doesn't.

I hope none of you boil crawfish. I'm going to buy 4 more crawfish boilers just so I can have enough to last until I die.

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If you can make them better with less water, I'm all for it.

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I'm still not convinced that our washing machine really cleans clothes with so little water. I wish I had taken my Mom's old harvest gold Maytag units when she sold her house - that baby held a swimming pool of water & never required service.

edit: no fancy electronics either: pull the knob, turn the knob, push the knob.

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I just wash everything every time on the deep water setting on our washing machine.

The POS maytag we have now because my old Roper jumped of the trailer during our last move (RIP) doesn't put more that 4" of water in the tub and you only get that much when you use the deep water fill mode. The speed queen is a great option but that dial they have is rinky-dink bull**** and cost $150 to replace if you do it yourself.

SIAP

Answer to those having dishwashers not cleaning correctly.

• Run through dishwasher 1st time with dry cycle turned off.
• Run through dishwasher 2nd time with dry cycle turned off.
• Check dish cleanliness.
• Repeat until dishes cleaned
• Final dishwasher cycle with dry cycle turned on.

Alternatively, don't vote for any Democratic Party candidate in any elections ever. The Democratic Party leadership is simultaneously corrupt

and ignorant.

There's one appliance that won't suck after the dems get their hands on it: The vacuum cleaner.

If you really want to dork out on why your dishwasher isn't as good as you'd hope watch this video... A big part of your problem is the Pod you're using. It doesn't deploy until the 2nd half of the wash cycle and your pre-wash cycle is JUST fresh water. You need to be sprinkling some powder or gel in the unit for the pre-wash. Also, run your sink until the water flows hot, THEN start the dishwasher.

Everything you never knew you didn't know you didn't know about your dishwasher...

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If you really want to dork out on why your dishwasher isn't as good as you'd hope watch this video... A big part of your problem is the Pod you're using. It doesn't deploy until the 2nd half of the wash cycle and your pre-wash cycle is JUST fresh water. You need to be sprinkling some powder or gel in the unit for the pre-wash. Also, run your sink until the water flows hot, THEN start the dishwasher.

Everything you never knew you didn't know you didn't know about your dishwasher...

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I don't use pods, just the powder in each holder and I have always done the hot water trick. My dishwasher still doesn't work very well compared to older units

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If you can make them better with less water, I'm all for it.

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I'm still not convinced that our washing machine really cleans clothes with so little water. I wish I had taken my Mom's old harvest gold Maytag units when she sold her house - that baby held a swimming pool of water & never required service.

edit: no fancy electronics either: pull the knob, turn the knob, push the knob.

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Speed Queen TC-5 for the win here.

We had a 17 year old set of Whirlpool Gold W/D that still worked but was showing some age. Knowing we intend to build a fish cabin/bay house in the next few years, and electronics fair poorly in that environment, we replaced them with a Speed Queen TC-5 washer and matching dryer. Prepped the old Whirlpools for storage for later.

The Speed Queen definitely cleans, with an old school direct drive agitator off of a transmission. No belts here. Can fill the tub as well, as it gets by standards by having the Eco Wash setting that you can reduce the amount of water if you want to. Loads take half the time of big names on the market for each similar type wash. Wife can have 6 full size loads knocked out starting mid-morning and finishing by dinner.

Speed queen has turning knobs and timers but the start button is electronic. Afraid we just aren't gonna get away from that nowadays.

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Our newer Maytag uses an agitator. I do not know if it's "direct drive" but I f'ing hate it.

Give me a non-agitator machine all day long. I will be **** canning this washer and putting it on the curb when we move and it's basically brand new. Don't even care.

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First off, what exactly is it about an agitator that you hate some much.

Second, if your machine is relatively new, then it doesn't have a real agitator that actually works. That post in the middle is fake and doesn't do anything, which is why it has almost no fin on it. They left those posts in the middle to fool people into thinking it works like a real agitator, but it doesn't.

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I believe you answered your question to me with your second paragraph. I don't know why it has an agitator other than to annoy the **** out of me with the noise. It's shaped like a corkscrew and doesn't do anything.

My old LG front loader cleaned just as well as this one without the noise and all the cycles worked. In addition, the Maytag is just a cheap POS. Plastic bits that feel cheap and don't even align properly. Also, what cevans said. It will only fill with about 2 inches of water unless you force more into it. If you don't force more water into it, it gets itself stuck with a load imbalance and errors out.

Giant POS. Hell, you've got me so worked up thinking about it I might just drag the damn thing to the curb right now.