Went from 'a hero lives here' yard signs to scientific papers being retracted.

Two weeks to stop the spread took a little over 3-years.

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Not defensive at all, just posting some clarification regarding a fairly misleading OP. The reality is that a look at the totality of the retractions in question directly contradicts the point attempting to be made.

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Dude the entire covid thing was misleading and promoted continuously as the truth.

The biggest mistake was the government throwing obscene amounts of money into the system. When you incentivize people or establishments with money, they respond accordingly. The objective was to capture the money, not manage a pandemic.

Liars lied? The Party of Science couldn't do Science? Anyone else just shocked to death?

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And who is paying for the vaccines?

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It was a joint public/private venture, so in part your tax dollars.

Ultimately there are/were a lot of physicians who just didn't want to concede certain aspects of the pandemic to those outside of medicine whose ideological bent from the outset led them to accidentally being right on those topics. It's hard to admit you were wrong, it's REALLY hard to admit you were wrong to someone who didn't actually know anything about the issue and ended up being right by happenstance. Ivy League MD/MPH/JSSBIRDBBEHSVEJE from Harvard isn't gonna want to concede a point on masks to Jeb from Alabama when Jeb just didn't want to wear one and hates "the libs". I wish the answer were deeper than that because that's a bad look, but that's really what it comes down to in many instances.

Finally, this board is in many ways an echo chamber and the perception here with regards to the true data on covid vs the reality is very much skewed. Many here think they are "right" on many points that the data still clearly shows them being wrong on. This idea that the "narrative" was wrong in every way is just not true. For example, the "doctors were killing thousands by intubating them too early" is a frequent point that is just laughably untrue and represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what intubation even is.

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So leading doctors saying that masks didn't work from the get go and then opposing opinions being shut down to counter point any argument is now considered a "lucky guess"?

More likely a god complex on the doctors part. And peer pressure and laziness to looking up what this would actually would do by treating it as gospel. If these doctors are so smart why didn't they look at what was right in front of them the entire time. No they just kept taking orders. Well not all of them but those people were shunned and banished and ridiculed.

There were way to many things that were perceived as " we have this under control" that were shoved down the "common " guys throat 24 hours a day for three years. And it was all bull crap.
1. Pcr test and testing
2. Objecting opinions brushed aside and erased
3. Absolute bull crap taken as gospel - Home Depot can stay open but your little hardware store cannot and do not sell seeds to anyone - the list is way to long
4. All the sudden we need very one to take the shot as it's the only way
5. Changing metrics on everything 80% to reach herd immunity - no 85 - no 90
6 denial on natural immunity
7. Texags had a board that was first on list that is probably being scrubbed right now by over zealous Aggie doctors - the board all along was scrubbed if you had a desenting opinion cementing more bull crap as fact.
8 masks - we don't have a cure but wear this mask - your killing people without the mask -
9 business closures- where did this list come from and how did every mayor in the country have the same list within two weeks then why were there exceptions to the list - car garages can stay open because that's critical but car dealers have to close - then amended because car dealers have mechanic shops so then they were allowed to stay open.
10. Six feet from people you do not know
11. Stay outside - now inside - now outside as your air conditioner can kill you.
12 killer hornets - still don't know why they brought this up

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13 funerals for me but not for thee - 6000 people for George Floyd but only 10 for you
14 rioting/protesting is good for their health
15 99%+ survival rate
16 unvaccinated should be jobless and send to camps
17 put covid infected people in the nursing homes - what can go wrong there?
18 pets getting covid shots
19 parents forcing babies and children to get shots

But yeah I am a republican who called this bull**** from day one. It wasn't a " lib" thing until joe Biden starting forcing it down everyone's throats - I still called it bull*****

Just because these people are "educated" doesn't make them right.

This list of bull crap is only partial as they want us to forget it all. And if those papers were fraudulent they should never have been published in the first place - another sign of laziness or another motive.

But hey it's science!!!!

Here is the genius of the medical community in a nutshell during covid. By medical community, I am including the sycophantic scumbags in medicine who spurned REAL science for bull***** I think this was done for two reasons by these medical "professionals". 1. Money from big pharma for pushing expensive drugs like Remdesivir. 2. Fear of losing their jobs.

These geniuses of medicine killed untold thousands or millions with ventilators and Remdesivir. Not only this, but their recommendations for therapy for those testing positive was "go home; if and when you can't breathe come to the emergency room"... where they likely would eventually be killed by a ventilator or Remdesivir.

MEANWHILE, while they were killing people with ventilators and Remdesivir, HCQ and Ivermectin, two drugs that are so safe as to be over-the-counter in many countries, were not even allowed to be discussed. Doctors were fired for prescribing them, pharmacies denied patients these drugs even when prescribed by the few doctors who would prescribe them.

THEN these sorry ass mother ****ers push a worthless, dangerous vaccine on us. AND they ignore YEARS of science by telling us to get the vaccine even if we've already had covid.

****ing voodoo witch doctors are more scientific than the cluster **** shown by the majority of the medical profession during covid.

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Spot on.

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Thanks. I'm pretty ****ing riled up.

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You know, it's ok to admit you were wrong, often.

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I have, on multiple topics.

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You are the reason I got my first shot Sept 2021.

Feel like a complete dumbass……


It's documented on this board.

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oof! Sorry to hear that, man.

To reply to an above post about what docs thought about this crap...

Some docs I know thought anything country bumpkin idiots would say was wrong. A superiority complex. I know what's right - YOU'RE just an uneducated idiot that cannot be correct - this is MY field!

Those same people implicitly trusted CDC and WHO because of who they are - how can you NOT trust them?!?!? These are respected institutions!

When info started coming out that should have made them second guess things, they stuck to their guns and continued to trust even though info started to change some people's minds. They remained committed to their initial thoughts on the matter.

One of my personal experiences with some place that will remain nameless...
Our COVID task force put out info about mandating the vax and I asked about natural immunity - do we still need the vax if previously infected - an insider on the board told me they talked about my question and wanted this insider, an epidemiologist (and other kind of doc), to do a 30 minute presentation on it for the board. All his research from the past and all present data showed that natural immunity should be at least just as good as getting a vaccine shot. Therefore, no need to get the vax if you can prove infection. They ignored his research data and went ahead with the overarching vax for all employees. Against all previous and present data. Sounds pretty bullpoop.

I found a work around. No shot.

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Why was Covid treated differently than every respiratory virus in history?

Why did noted doctors proclaim that masks and "social distancing" work?

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It was their moment in the spotlight, the medical profession that is. Maybe one day insurance agents will have a chance to shine, or shoe salespeople.

They took it and ran with it. Unfortunately, their 15 minutes of fame ran for a couple of years. And now they will try to excuse themselves from all the errors they made.

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You're painting with a very broad brush. These people exist, but the OVERWHELMING majority of physicians who actually see patients wish this had never happened and would gladly go back and change things if they could. I absolutely wish none of this had ever happened, for a number of reasons. The people who relished this almost exclusively reside in non-clinician roles.

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That is your arrogance and vanity shining through.

You were just one of millions though, so don't feel too bad

"Bubba from Alabama" had the number of the oh-so-smart medical community all along. I'd be embarrassed too

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I have, on multiple topics.

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You are the reason I got my first shot Sept 2021.

Feel like a complete dumbass……


It's documented on this board.

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oof! Sorry to hear that, man.

To reply to an above post about what docs thought about this crap...

Some docs I know thought anything country bumpkin idiots would say was wrong. A superiority complex. I know what's right - YOU'RE just an uneducated idiot that cannot be correct - this is MY field!

Those same people implicitly trusted CDC and WHO because of who they are - how can you NOT trust them?!?!? These are respected institutions!

When info started coming out that should have made them second guess things, they stuck to their guns and continued to trust even though info started to change some people's minds. They remained committed to their initial thoughts on the matter.

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Thank you for posting. This is EXACTLY what happened. The smartest guys in the room actually turned out to be reactionary dumbasses

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It was the first pandemic of this scale to hit in the modern Information Age.

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I think you meant to type Disinformation Age because everything about the plandemic was complete bull*****

You talk about how difficult it is to admit you were wrong to someone who was right only for ideological reasons.

But there was, without doubt, NO group in the country who was led less by science and more by political ideology than the physicians and medical institutions.

Basic, elementary type scientific knowledge was not just ignored - but it was zealously fought against by the supposed "scientists".

What they did to children (who were almost completely unaffected) and education, the lunacy of unsealed surgical masks and cloth face coverings, the pushing of vaccines that had no chance of keeping up with a rapidly evolving respiratory virus,… there were honestly so many mistakes pushed that were obvious mistakes made in the name of liberal groupthink.

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These geniuses of medicine killed untold thousands or millions with ventilators and Remdesivir.

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This sort of stuff is what I'm talking about

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That statement is absolutely true. Fauci falsely pushed Remdisivir while demonizing HCQ and ivermectin. Remdesivir killed thousands from kidney failure. This happened often after covid positive patients were sent home with NO THERAPY. No ivermectin, no HCQ, no D, no C, nothing... only to come back in respiratory distress to die on a ventilator or from kidney failure from Remdesivir.

It's a disgrace and I will never let anyone forget it.

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Why did noted doctors proclaim that masks and "social distancing" work?

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It was their moment in the spotlight, the medical profession that is. Maybe one day insurance agents will have a chance to shine, or shoe salespeople.

They took it and ran with it. Unfortunately, their 15 minutes of fame ran for a couple of years. And now they will try to excuse themselves from all the errors they made.

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You're painting with a very broad brush. These people exist, but the OVERWHELMING majority of physicians who actually see patients wish this had never happened and would gladly go back and change things if they could. I absolutely wish none of this had ever happened, for a number of reasons. The people who relished this almost exclusively reside in non-clinician roles.

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That is your arrogance and vanity shining through.

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Because I wish covid had never happened?

What an odd post

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Because of your condescension toward non-clinicians

Yeah, gut punch to the infectious disease segment of the medical community

What an odd deflection

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This sort of stuff is what I'm talking about

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Oh. Ok. I guess we should just assume you are right and know what you are talking about?

Excuse us

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Why was Covid treated differently than every respiratory virus in history?

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It was their moment in the spotlight, the medical profession that is. Maybe one day insurance agents will have a chance to shine, or shoe salespeople.

They took it and ran with it. Unfortunately, their 15 minutes of fame ran for a couple of years. And now they will try to excuse themselves from all the errors they made.

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You're painting with a very broad brush. These people exist, but the OVERWHELMING majority of physicians who actually see patients wish this had never happened and would gladly go back and change things if they could. I absolutely wish none of this had ever happened, for a number of reasons. The people who relished this almost exclusively reside in non-clinician roles.

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That is your arrogance and vanity shining through.

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Because I wish covid had never happened?

What an odd post

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The odd post is not realizing that when my doctor prescribed ivermectin to my family when we all came down with Delta and cautioned us against getting the vaccine, he was seen as an outlier in 2021. Certain MD's and administrators at the time would have gladly stripped him of his license, if they could have. Practices like his were far too rare at the time when they were needed the most. At the time the vaccine became available I used common sense to forgo it for myself and my family, when it showed survival rates were well over 99% for most people. Those who pushed propaganda and misinformation should be tarred and feathered in the public square imo.

BTW I called this bullsh** from the beginning. Search my posts from the Spring of 2020 if you want

And it had nothing to do with "bubba" luck, although I'll take it

Anybody with common sense could see this was ridiculous overreach, junk science, panic, and outright tyranny from the outset

I truly believe, and will never be convinced otherwise, that this was a bunch of nerds seizing their time in the limelight. Big words and willing accomplices in government, the media, and everywhere else they could find someone to listen, thrust on the weak and gullible

Congrats. Y'all won. Y'all wrecked a civilization.

I guess the rest of us will sweep up the mess

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You talk about how difficult it is to admit you were wrong to someone who was right only for ideological reasons.

But there was, without doubt, NO group in the country who was led less by science and more by political ideology than the physicians and medical institutions.

Basic, elementary type scientific knowledge was not just ignored - but it was zealously fought against by the supposed "scientists".

What they did to children (who were almost completely unaffected) and education, the lunacy of unsealed surgical masks and cloth face coverings, the pushing of vaccines that had no chance of keeping up with a rapidly evolving respiratory virus,… there were honestly so many mistakes pushed that were obvious mistakes made in the name of liberal groupthink.

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This is such an awesome post. And let's not forget, F16 was all over this. This forum was touting MANY doctors who were preaching against the machinations of Fauci and his "science" minions. We were called crazy, anti-science, anti-vax, horse-dewormers - all because we were listening to incredibly accomplished doctors like Pierre Kory and Peter McCullough.

So much information was there and ignored by most of the medical community, so there's no ****ing excuse. The right thing could have been done by all doctors. Most chose the path of least resistance and millions died. Wishing it didn't happen doesn't change a ****ing thing.

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dermdoc said:

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Why was Covid treated differently than every respiratory virus in history?

Why did noted doctors proclaim that masks and "social distancing" work?

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It was their moment in the spotlight, the medical profession that is. Maybe one day insurance agents will have a chance to shine, or shoe salespeople.

They took it and ran with it. Unfortunately, their 15 minutes of fame ran for a couple of years. And now they will try to excuse themselves from all the errors they made.

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You're painting with a very broad brush. These people exist, but the OVERWHELMING majority of physicians who actually see patients wish this had never happened and would gladly go back and change things if they could. I absolutely wish none of this had ever happened, for a number of reasons. The people who relished this almost exclusively reside in non-clinician roles.

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That is your arrogance and vanity shining through.

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Because I wish covid had never happened?

What an odd post

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Because of your condescension toward non-clinicians

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The "non-clinician" comment was directed at physicians in administrative roles who no longer actually practice medicine. Not the general population.

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Yeah, gut punch to the infectious disease segment of the medical community

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If I cared what a given person or group of people thought about what I do for a living I'd have never done it in the the first place. To this day many people are surprised to find out my sub specialty even exists. I enjoy what I do and it's very fulfilling. If I have any bitterness over the last years, it's mainly centered around how many people I've had to watch get really sick and/or die from something that never should have happened in the first place. And yes, there is a little animosity towards those detached from the realities on the ground (on both sounds) sounding off the loudest. But that goes for administrative types in medicine just as much as it does for those outside of medicine talking it all as "no big deal".

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And you see no arrogance in these statements?

Is it possible you are just simply wrong and maybe those, ahem, "detached from reality" are right?

Bitter pill to swallow

Maybe you're part of the problem