The medical field is erasing its own COVID-era history

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OPAG said:

And aggressively so, as well as extremely arrogant and downright nasty like the other Covidians.

I from day one was on this for reasons outside of the medical field. I knew where this came from, knew what it was and as I had lived in Bahrain, had an early exposure to it.

I also knew the WHO was extremely corrupt. That Big Pharma's own, the FDA, the CDC, and the NIH.

I also knew that Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation along with the Rockfeller foundation had basically taken over the AMA, medical schools and more importantly where the one's giving the money for grants.

I was also privy to an early attempted study by the Henry Ford Institute that sought to do a thorough test on HCQ early in the game and they were absolutely shut down and not only shut down but threatened.

I knew who Michael Yeadon was, I knew who Luc Montaiiner was. I knew who Robert Malone was. I watch Inf 11 take the same ad hominen attacks on them that he does now with Kory.

I also have just a few high level virologist and epidemiologist as friends, most are Chinese. some were knowledgeable of what was going on in Wuhan.

I knew from the before the onset that this was a gain of function man altered virous.

I knew that Francis Collins had told Fauci to censor various "fringe scientist' (even though they were high level reputable scientist until they kicked against this BS)

I called it Nazi because that is exactly what it was and still is. and nobody was more Nazish than Infection.

Yet, I was the kook right? Hmmmm, I don't think so.

I have had a number of people either thank me for educating and warning them, so they did not take this Nazi vac (which we still have no idea about what long term effects there may be) which includes my whole family and wife's family and half of my side. And there have been a few that told me they wished they had listened to me and now they are afraid of unknown possible health ramifications (OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY). I have seen more die or been severely injured by reaction to the Nazi vax - than I saw massively impacted by Covid which I did get and got through in 3 days. then by Covid. It was a Plandemic.

I know that I will be at peace when I stand before the one whose final judgements will really count (GOD, specifically Father of Jesus Christ)


Obligatory and EOT: No way any Infection comes back from that.

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The ratio in this thread

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this video feels appropriate here. some doctors were actually right and cautious and thoughtful throughout covid. Others just can't admit they were snookered.

Dr. Pierre Kory Rumble Interview with Dr. Drew

Couple of cliffs over the first 5-20 min of interview:
  • Dr. Pierre Kory talks about how demoralized he is with the High Impact Journals. You know the ones like JAMA, New England, etc.
  • Big Pharma controls not just how the studies go, but they also have a hand in REJECTING peer reviewed studies. (Kinda hard to retract a study that was never allowed to be published)
  • Apparently Big Pharma spends 2-3 times as much on lobbying per Congressman as does Coal/Oil (that's something I'll have to confirm)
  • Talks about the strategies used by Big Pharma to conduct a lot of BS studies and muddy the waters on legitimate supplements like Vitamin D (i.e., the set the trials up for failure, start testing way too late, etc).
  • Says that Big Pharma actually has designs on regulating vitamin d eventually since it's a competitor to their drugs (exactly what they did with Ivermectin)
  • Talked about how disorienting it is as a good physician that used to rely on the journals, but now see all the conflicts of interest...he says now, he first looks at the conflicts first to tell if it's a legit study or not
  • RFK Jr apparently says that if he was elected, he'd call all the journal editors into the Oval Office and threaten them to either resolve their conflicts of interest, or he'd prosecute them under a RICO suit -- on that note, DeSantis oughta copy that idea and add it to his platform.

I'd rather listen to Dr. McCullough and Dr. Kory over anonymous, defensive sources on this board. Even Dr. Drew gives a very reasoned point of view most times and spends lots of time actually treating patients. Thanks to whoever it was that posted his podcast site first. I've been a regular listener ever since.
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Thanks for the link, it's great. This is the doctor that is demonized by Infection Ag on this thread. What Kory says in this link is perfectly logical. But let's look at what happened and try to formulate some conclusions.

1. Inf ag tries to say that mistakes were made because covid was new and not much was known about it.

If this is the case, why were HCQ and Ivermectin so quickly demonized and dismissed? If they really didn't know, and the agenda was to quickly stop covid, wouldn't they want to try everything and see what works?

But that wasn't the agenda. The agenda, or a part of it, was to have a pandemic and make billions from a vaccine. Not only that, but a vaccine that doesn't even work, but also causes harm or death to many. NOT ONLY THAT, but also when the vaccine hurts or kills people, those people are powerless against the vaccine maker, AND the harm or death caused by the vaccines is covered up by everyone, especially Big Media, who make tons of money from Big Pharma advertisers.

All of that happened. It's not speculation. It's not hard to draw a conclusion when the conclusion actually happened.

On this thread alone, which is a small subset but still useful, we have...

1. People who were harmed, almost killed, by the vaccine.
2. A doctor who still claims the vaccine worked.
3. People who used Ivermectin and got over covid.
4. A doctor who still claims Ivermectin doesn't work.
5. A doctor who prescribed Remdesivir to sick covid patients.
6. The same doctor who now admits Remdesivir doesn't really work.
7. A study showing Remdesivir killed people.

The link with Dr. Kory is full of good information, but the most important point they make is that the madness of the covid "pandemic" will happen again. The most important thing we can do is never forget what happened, and never blindly "follow the science".
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Without Covid hysteria there is no doubt in my mind that Trump would have been de elected.

And when politics gets involved with medicine, it always screws it up.
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snowdog90 said:

Thanks for the link, it's great. This is the doctor that is demonized by Infection Ag on this thread. What Kory says in this link is perfectly logical. But let's look at what happened and try to formulate some conclusions.

1. Inf ag tries to say that mistakes were made because covid was new and not much was known about it.

If this is the case, why were HCQ and Ivermectin so quickly demonized and dismissed? If they really didn't know, and the agenda was to quickly stop covid, wouldn't they want to try everything and see what works?

But that wasn't the agenda. The agenda, or a part of it, was to have a pandemic and make billions from a vaccine. Not only that, but a vaccine that doesn't even work, but also causes harm or death to many. NOT ONLY THAT, but also when the vaccine hurts or kills people, those people are powerless against the vaccine maker, AND the harm or death caused by the vaccines is covered up by everyone, especially Big Media, who make tons of money from Big Pharma advertisers.

All of that happened. It's not speculation. It's not hard to draw a conclusion when the conclusion actually happened.

On this thread alone, which is a small subset but still useful, we have...

1. People who were harmed, almost killed, by the vaccine.
2. A doctor who still claims the vaccine worked.
3. People who used Ivermectin and got over covid.
4. A doctor who still claims Ivermectin doesn't work.
5. A doctor who prescribed Remdesivir to sick covid patients.
6. The same doctor who now admits Remdesivir doesn't really work.
7. A study showing Remdesivir killed people.

The link with Dr. Kory is full of good information, but the most important point they make is that the madness of the covid "pandemic" will happen again. The most important thing we can do is never forget what happened, and never blindly "follow the science".


Beginning with Collins and Fauci at the top but including many NIH and NIAID researchers had created patented junk portfolios of marginally interesting molecules that had not even a snowball's chance in hell of getting through FDA clinical trials. Patenting a molecule doesn't make it useful or safe.

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"I've been interviewing scientists for a long time in this country, and let me tell you something. There are two kinds: Those who are serfs of Anthony Fauci and those who are genuine scientists. The serf class will refract whatever the latest Lysenkoism is from Fauci and NIAID. They are protecting their grants," says Celia Farber, whose 2006 Harper's article, "Out of Control: AIDS and the Destruction of Medical Science.

"The latter [genuine scientists] are the minority. They look, sound, and behave like scientists. And to varying degrees, they all live in a climate of both economic and reputational persecution. Peter Duesberg is one very famous example but there are others. Fauci's vendetta system has many ways of crushing the natural scientific impulseto question and to demand proof. Breathtakingly, because of Fauci's impact since 1984, this tradition has been all but snuffed out in the US. 'Everybody is afraid.' How many times have I heard that line?"

By all accounts, Anthony Fauci has implemented a system of dysfunctional conflicts and a transactional culture that have made NIAID a seamless appendage of Big Pharma. There is simply no daylight between NIAID and the drugmakers. It's impossible to say where Pharma ends and NIAID begins. "It's like Ozark," says Farber.

Researchers in NIAID's labs supplement their income with honoraria they earn by attending Pharma seminars and briefing pharmaceutical company personnel with inside information about research progress on new drugs in NIAID's pipeline.9 Dr. Fauci's underlings routinely perform private projects for drug companies in their NIAID labs and take contract work running clinical trials for Pharma's new drugs. Journalist and author Bruce Nussbaum reports that it is standard practice for Dr. Fauci's employees to pocket enough gravy from the deal flow to add 1020 percent to their NIAID salaries from this sort of work. NIAID officials justify this controversial practice arguing that the influx of pharmaceutical dollars strengthens NIAID's labs and allows the agency to retain talented staff. NIAID also deducts 40, 50, or 60 percent off the top of these contracts for "overhead," cementing the agency's partnership with the industry.10 It's no surprise that a 2004 Office of Government Ethics investigation chided Dr. Fauci for failing to control the corrupting entanglements between his staffers and pharmaceutical companies.11,12 That report cited NIAID for failing to review and resolve possible ethical conflicts affecting two-thirds of NIAID's workers who were moonlighting in private industry. The investigators also found13 that NIAID had failed to obtain approval for a full 66 percent of "outside activities" the institute had undertaken over the review period. Outside activities, according to the NIH,14 are undertakings that "generally involv[e] providing a service to or a function for an outside organization, with or without pay or other compensation."



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Dr. Fauci's drug development enterprise is rife with other corrupting conflicts. Most Americans would be surprised to learn, for example, that pharmaceutical companies routinely pay extravagant royalties to Dr. Fauci and his employees and to NIAID itself. Here's how the royalty system works: Instead of researching the causes of the mushrooming epidemics of allergic and autoimmune diseasesthe function for which US taxpayers pay his salaryDr. Fauci funnels the bulk of his $6 billion budget to the research and development of new drugs. He often begins the process by funding initial mechanistic studies of promising molecules in NIAID's own laboratories before farming the clinical trials out to an old boys' network of some 1,300 academic "principal investigators" (PIs) who conduct human trials at university-affiliated research centers and training hospitals, as well as foreign research sites. After these NIAID-funded researchers develop a potential


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A leviathan yearly grant budget gives Dr. Fauci power to make and break careers, enrichor punishuniversity research centers, manipulate scientific journals, and to dictate not just the subject matter and study protocols, but also the outcome of scientific research across the globe. Since 2005, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) has funneled an additional $1.7 billion3 into Dr. Fauci's annual discretionary budget to launder sketchy funding for biological weapons research, often of dubious legality. This Pentagon funding brings the annual total of grants that Dr. Fauci dispenses to an astonishing $7.7 billion


-Bobby Kennedy Jr., The Real Anthony Fauci
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Psycho Bunny said:

Coming to a commercial near you.



Trump gave the phama companies immunity from lawsuits related to the vaccine.
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This Pentagon funding brings the annual total of grants that Dr. Fauci dispenses to an astonishing $7.7 billion
Makes sense why Fauci was the highest paid employee in the federal government.
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Funky Winkerbean said:

The biggest mistake was the government throwing obscene amounts of money into the system. When you incentivize people or establishments with money, they respond accordingly. The objective was to capture the money, not manage a pandemic.
Kind of like "man made" climate change.
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Not at the state level. At least that's why we're seeing Fl take action to ensure they didn't commit fraud or mislead the populations.
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Decent sample size and peer reviewed. At it best, the vaccine was 29% effective and now is not at all effective. The risk of contracting COVID increases with the number of booster shots taken.

https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/10/6/ofad209/7131292

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Results
Among 51 017 employees, COVID-19 occurred in 4424 (8.7%) during the study. In multivariable analysis, the bivalent-vaccinated state was associated with lower risk of COVID-19 during the BA.4/5-dominant (hazard ratio, 0.71 [95% confidence interval, .6379]) and the BQ-dominant (0.80 [.69.94]) phases, but decreased risk was not found during the XBB-dominant phase (0.96 [.82.1.12]). The estimated vaccine effectiveness was 29% (95% confidence interval, 21%37%), 20% (6%31%), and 4% (12% to 18%), during the BA.4/5-, BQ-, and XBB-dominant phases, respectively. The risk of COVID-19 also increased with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode and with the number of vaccine doses previously received.

Conclusions
The bivalent COVID-19 vaccine given to working-aged adults afforded modest protection overall against COVID-19 while the BA.4/5 lineages were the dominant circulating strains, afforded less protection when the BQ lineages were dominant, and effectiveness was not demonstrated when the XBB lineages were dominant.
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Masks have never shown to work in the real world for any respiratory virus. They are, were, and always will be statistically insignificant
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It should be noted that nearly two-thirds of the retracted papers in question reached a conclusion that those touting this as evidence of some grand conspiracy theory would have agreed with
That certainly isn't evident skimming the list of retracted studies. You have a link for that?


Here's blog tracking all Covid related retracted studies:

https://retractionwatch.com/retracted-coronavirus-covid-19-papers/

You can scan the list for yourselves and draw your own conclusions.

Oh, I see this is actually the list posted in your OP.

Since ivermectin was mentioned in the OP, here are the 11 studies on Ivermectin from that list related to Ivermectin that have been RETRACTED. I did not include the ones that were just listed under Expressions of Concern - only the ones revoked by the authors or publisher:

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(1) "Effects of a Single Dose of Ivermectin on Viral and Clinical Outcomes in Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infected Subjects: A Pilot Clinical Trial in Lebanon," published on May 26, 2021 in Viruses; retracted on October 26, 2021.

(2) "Efficacy and Safety of Ivermectin for Treatment and prophylaxis of COVID-19 Pandemic," preprint posted on ResearchSquare on November 13, 2020, withdrawn (along with its two revisions) on July 14, 2021.

(3) Ivermectin and the odds of hospitalization due to COVID-19: evidence from a quasi-experimental analysis based on a public intervention in Mexico City, preprint posted on May 4, 2021 in OSF Preprints; retracted on February 4, 2022.

(4) "Ivermectin in COVID-19 Related Critical Illness," preprint posted in April 2020 on SSRN: Social Science Resource Network, retracted sometime in May.

(5) "Meta-analysis of Randomized Trials of Ivermectin to Treat SARS-CoV-2 Infection," published on July 6, 2021 in Open Forum Infectious Diseases; retracted on February 5, 2022; EoC published August 9, 2021.

(6) "Microbiome-Based Hypothesis on Ivermectin's Mechanism in COVID-19: Ivermectin Feeds Bifidobacteria to Boost Immunity," published on July 11, 2022 in Frontiers in Microbiology; EOC issued on January 5, 2023; retracted on May 3, 2023.

(7) "Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis & Treatment of COVID-19," published as an abstract at Frontiers in Pharmacology in January 2021, removed without a notice by March 1, 2021.

(8) "The mechanisms of action of Ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2: An evidence-based clinical review article," published on June 15, 2021 in The Journal of Antibiotics; unknown date of retraction.

(9) "Treatment with Ivermectin Is Associated with Decreased Mortality in COVID-19 Patients: Analysis of a National Federated Database," published on February 28, 2022 in International Journal of Infectious Diseases," retracted sometime close to June 1, 2022.

(10) "Use of ivermectin in the treatment of Covid-19: A pilot trial," published on March 9, 2021 in Toxicology Reports; retracted on May 2, 2022.

(11) "Usefulness of Ivermectin in COVID-19 Illness," preprint posted on April 19, 2020 on SSRN: Social Science Resource Network, retracted sometime thereafter.


Interestingly 11 out of 11 (100%) of those retracted studies initially supported or suggested a positive link between Ivermectin and treating Covid-19. Some of these same studies were actually linked on this very Forum when they were published, and by some of the posters on this thread dunking all over InfectionAg for being wrong.
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I will never, ever, NEVER, EVER forget the conversation I had with my cardiologist when I asked him to write a medical waiver for not getting the vaccine so I could keep my job during the height of this. Even though I had already been infected and had natural immunity, he adamently pushed I should get the shot, knowing my family history of heart disease. His condesending attitude and dismissal of my concerns should be a form of malpractice. Had I listened to his medical advice I could be dead.

Just turned 40 last month and searching for a new Dr. Needless to say I will be vetting much more extensively than I had in the past.
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Does he post on this board?
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waco_aggie05 said:

I will never, ever, NEVER, EVER forget the conversation I had with my cardiologist when I asked him to write a medical waiver for not getting the vaccine so I could keep my job during the height of this. Even though I had already been infected and had natural immunity, he adamantly pushed I should get the shot, knowing my family history of heart disease. His condescending attitude and dismissal of my concerns should be a form of malpractice. Had I listened to his medical advice I could be dead.

Just turned 40 last month and searching for a new Dr. Needless to say I will be vetting much more extensively than I had in the past.
That's crazy, man. You should talk to him about this crap. Seriously. See what BS he will spew about it.
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abram97 said:

waco_aggie05 said:

I will never, ever, NEVER, EVER forget the conversation I had with my cardiologist when I asked him to write a medical waiver for not getting the vaccine so I could keep my job during the height of this. Even though I had already been infected and had natural immunity, he adamantly pushed I should get the shot, knowing my family history of heart disease. His condescending attitude and dismissal of my concerns should be a form of malpractice. Had I listened to his medical advice I could be dead.

Just turned 40 last month and searching for a new Dr. Needless to say I will be vetting much more extensively than I had in the past.
That's crazy, man. You should talk to him about this crap. Seriously. See what BS he will spew about it.
I wish more of our badged posters were as objective as you and several other doctors on TexAgs. I went over to F84 to see if there's anything about this being discussed there and the second thread had this posted by a poster with a medical badge 6 days ago. Not looking for a ban so I copied rather than quoted.

"Didn't you hear? Covid is over and yet people are still obsessively wrong about vaccines.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/985529

Linked article shows that COVID vaccines saved the lives of 3 million Americans." etc.
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AnScAggie said:

abram97 said:

waco_aggie05 said:

I will never, ever, NEVER, EVER forget the conversation I had with my cardiologist when I asked him to write a medical waiver for not getting the vaccine so I could keep my job during the height of this. Even though I had already been infected and had natural immunity, he adamantly pushed I should get the shot, knowing my family history of heart disease. His condescending attitude and dismissal of my concerns should be a form of malpractice. Had I listened to his medical advice I could be dead.

Just turned 40 last month and searching for a new Dr. Needless to say I will be vetting much more extensively than I had in the past.
That's crazy, man. You should talk to him about this crap. Seriously. See what BS he will spew about it.
I wish more of our badged posters were as objective as you and several other doctors on TexAgs. I went over to F84 to see if there's anything about this being discussed there and the second thread had this posted by a poster with a medical badge 6 days ago. Not looking for a ban so I copied rather than quoted.

"Didn't you hear? Covid is over and yet people are still obsessively wrong about vaccines.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/985529

Linked article shows that COVID vaccines saved the lives of 3 million Americans." etc.

"Without vaccination, the U.S. would have had 1.5 times more infections, 3.8 times more hospitalizations, and 4.1 times more deaths, the modeling indicates."

Modeling you say? Are those the same models that predicted DOOM for all humans on the planet??? The ones that were AMAZINGLY wrong. Yeah, oops, we goofed on that one guys. Now this "model" is out. But now it's reliable and accurate.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU ANYMORE.
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The "modeling" includes abortions in the number of Covid deaths.
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Modeling garbage touted as science.

Pathetic lies.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Why was Covid treated differently than every respiratory virus in history?


It was the first pandemic of this scale to hit in the modern Information Age. The 2008-2009 flu pandemic was widespread but ran its course relatively quickly, killed a lot fewer people and was caused by a virus we had a much firmer scientific grasp of at the outset.

In short, this was different because it's the first time something like this had ever happened in our current media/information landscape. It was going to be different almost by definition.

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Why did noted doctors proclaim that masks and "social distancing" work?


A lot believed they did, because they do for lots of existing respiratory viruses. It turns out they really don't with respect to covid, and that becomes more and more the case as the R0 increases with newer variants. Beyond the point at which this became apparent, there isn't really a better answer than a lot of people didn't want to be wrong.

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What caused the uproar about having to get the vaccine? Granted, I think it helped with severity initially. But the fear and anger fomented by docs in power was off the chart.


A combination of fear, emerging knowledge, social contagion and animosity towards certain segments of the population.

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Why were schools closed down when you want to get herd immunity with the population least affected by
Covid?


This is probably the most glaring failure relative to the knowledge available going into the decision. There was never a good reason to do this.

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And why did no doc in the public eye ever bring up the point that historically all respiratory spread viruses always mutate to a more contagious, less virulent form?


I feel like a lot did, but I'm also in a position to be exposed to a lot more such types than most so perhaps my perception on that is skewed. I certainly know people in public health that have discussed this all along.

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And who is paying for the vaccines?


It was a joint public/private venture, so in part your tax dollars.

Ultimately there are/were a lot of physicians who just didn't want to concede certain aspects of the pandemic to those outside of medicine whose ideological bent from the outset led them to accidentally being right on those topics. It's hard to admit you were wrong, it's REALLY hard to admit you were wrong to someone who didn't actually know anything about the issue and ended up being right by happenstance. Ivy League MD/MPH/JSSBIRDBBEHSVEJE from Harvard isn't gonna want to concede a point on masks to Jeb from Alabama when Jeb just didn't want to wear one and hates "the libs". I wish the answer were deeper than that because that's a bad look, but that's really what it comes down to in many instances.

Finally, this board is in many ways an echo chamber and the perception here with regards to the true data on covid vs the reality is very much skewed. Many here think they are "right" on many points that the data still clearly shows them being wrong on. This idea that the "narrative" was wrong in every way is just not true. For example, the "doctors were killing thousands by intubating them too early" is a frequent point that is just laughably untrue and represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what intubation even is.
When you had the CDC reps say it was ok to protest in June 2020 because it was righteous was the moment I knew this was all BS.
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I'm on your side. My post reflected doctors on this very website still talking up the vaccines that I believe will be shown to at best be ineffective and at worst do more damage than what they were designed to prevent.
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My model shoes that masks and the vax don't work on Covid.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

JoeAggie1010 said:

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Why do you feel the need to come here and prove the OP's point?


My original post was a clarification of a fairly misleading thread premise. The rest of them are literally just me answering questions posted by others.
Then you should have inferred the medical profession side that advocated for, propagated, and lied to us about the whole COVID solution. You are part of the problem, not the solution. You continue to defend or change the narrative. To late for that.


I have and have expressed plenty of scorn to that side, it's just not something that usually becomes necessary in this board. But much of my last few years has been spent arguing with "covidians" on the opposite extreme. I've spoken at local school board meetings, public health policy meetings, hospital committee meetings, etc.

The irony is that many people on that side of things probably think of me as a contrarian and "conspiracy theorist". I've actually been called that to my face by someone who still wears a mask anywhere indoors. I've had MANY patients and friends express gratitude for giving them an even handed assessment of the information on covid. Literally only here am I regarded as some left wing covid authoritarian or whatever it is many of you think me to be. It's all a matter of perspective.
Is it just me, or weren't you strongly on the side of natural mutation/species jump, and intubation?
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Not just you. See the branch covidian board: https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3199287
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Jock 07 said:

Not just you. See the branch covidian board: https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3199287


Infection, Ranger222, cone, bay fan

Talk about a who's who of, well, …..
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Thanks for sharing this information. We have tried to warn others who wouldn't take the time to listen to the concerns about most things covid, but we've had the wrong sources, cited the wrong studies, or have had irrelevant anecdotes.


TL,DR: Vaccines are causing harm. The majority of young adults have a chronic disease. The medical industry is willfully ignorant or complicit. If you know 1 - 6 below, you probably know the rest.


Unless something has changed in the past year (I'm rarely on TA), the irony is lost here. The covidians treat the F16ers the same way the F16ers treat the anti-vaxxers. Actually, I'm pro vaxxes that don't overdose people with mercury and aluminum, are spermicide-free, have random double blind placebo-controlled trials with saline, and are beneficial to children.

Why stop here? Maybe some will listen now? Isn't that the advice on this thread?

1. NONE of the vaxxes given to babies in their first 12 months are tested to see if they cause cancer. Might make you stop and think the next time you see the sick children with no hair on the St Jude commercials asking for donations. Most shots aren't tested for effects on fertility either.

2. On the first day of life, babies are given a Hep B shot (containing aluminum), which was an unwanted vax by its intended target market of IV drug users and prostitutes. There is no expected benefit for infants unless the mother has Hep B. Mothers aren't tested. Both the Vitamin K shot (man-made K by Pfizer) and Hep B are not common in the rest of the world on the first day of life. Both contain aluminum. Read the paperwork when checking into the hospital for a baby's delivery. You are likely agreeing to these shots. Vitamin K is often given as an oral dose in other countries. The Vitamin K shot has a black box warning that is contrary to the CDC's recommended way to administer. Pfizer recommends subcutaneous and the CDC recommends intramuscular. The latter could be fatal.
https://www.cdc.gov/breastfeeding/breastfeeding-special-circumstances/diet-and-micronutrients/vitamin-k.html#:~:text=Infants%20who%20receive%20the%20intramuscular,K%20and%20VKDB%20in%20infants. and
https://www.pfizermedicalinformation.com/en-us/phytonadione/boxed-warning and
https://www.pfizermedicalinformation.com/en-us/phytonadione/warnings#:~:text=WARNING%3A%20This%20product%20contains%20aluminum,if%20kidney%20function%20is%20impaired.

3. Most vaxxes for children have 2 different options. One option tends to have a much higher aluminum content. For example, for Hep B, there are Recombivax HB (.5 mg or 500 mcg) and Energix-B (.25 mg or 250 mcg). Which one did you pick for your baby? I think the government's safe limit for a 7 pound baby is around 15 mcg. This means a baby is overdosed with a neurotoxin at birth. According to the FDA, toxic aluminum levels can result in neurological dysfunction. The Vitamin K shot's aluminum only adds to the overdose. IV nutrition may also contain aluminum. Furthermore, aluminum accumulates in the body much easier in babies, and they don't have a fully-developed blood-brain barrier. Parents don't know their babies on the first day, so it is difficult to tell if the baby is harmed.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17300950 and
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/infants-risk-aluminum-toxicity-unapproved-potassium-phosphates-drug-product#:~:text=FDA's%20guidance%20includes%20a%20recommendation,5%20mcg%2Fkg%2Fday.

4. Proven by a FOIA request, there are NO government studies that have determined the aluminum in vaxxes is safe for children.
https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/20190719-HHS-Final-Response-IR0084-Appeal.pdf

5. Babies in the US get 24 vax doses (more now with the covid vax) in their first 12 months, which is one of the highest number of vaxxes, if not the highest, in the world. In the 1940s, children received around 4 doses if I recall correctly. There were 70 doses on the Childhood Schedule before adding the new covid vaxxes. The US is often ranked around 50th in the world for Infant Mortality; however, that may be due in part to how it is defined. Still, it is higher than one might guess.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/easy-to-read/child-easyread.html

6. Proven with a FOIA request, there were ZERO safety studies conducted prior to the recommendation of giving pregnant mothers Tdap and flu vaccines. Tdap contains aluminum and multi-dose vials of flu contain Thimerosal. In general, when there are studies, vaxxes aren't tested against saline placebos. It is often another vaccine or adjuvant.
https://icandecide.org/article/the-food-and-drug-administration-fda-admits-it-has-never-licensed-any-influenza-vaccine-for-use-by-pregnant-women-and-does-not-have-a-single-trial-supporting-the-safety-of-this-practice/

7. Covid shot or shingles vax made you feel like crap? Babies are scheduled to get 6 doses at the same time at 2 months old, 8 doses at 6 months. Check their schedule. How many have aluminum? Doctors are probably fortunate that they can't talk. Would an adult do the same vax schedule? Not likely. Before Cochrane was captured, they determined that children 2 and under received no benefit from the flu vax. How many unnecessary vaxxes are we giving to babies? Hep B, Hep A, Diphtheria, or Rubella for boys? Does Pertussis even work?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/easy-to-read/child-easyread.html and
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004879.pub4/abstract

8. In 2019, 54% of young adults (between 18 - 34) had at least 1 chronic disease.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-07-28/more-than-half-of-young-u-s-adults-have-a-chronic-health-condition

9. All costs for the attorneys and judgments in the government's Vaccine Court are paid by the taxpayers. Big Pharma pays $0. If it is determined that a vax killed someone, the award is capped at $250,000. Taxpayers have paid over $4 billion the last time I checked.

10. Autism rates were approximately 1 in 10,000 for 5 decades through the 1980s. In 1986, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was passed that gave Big Pharma's immunity from liability for vax injuries. In the 1990s, autism rates increased to 1 in 500. In 2009, 1 in 110. Now, the rate is 1 in 36, expected to be 1 in 2 in the not too distant future. There are other possible contributing factors that can increase susceptibility, such as mercury fillings, glyphosate, food, etc.
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html and
https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/house-bill/5546 and
https://rumble.com/v19ehtd-trace-amounts-2014-documentary.html

11. The US Vaccine Court ruled that Hannah Poling's autism was caused by the 9 vaxxes she received on the same day. She was awarded $1.5 million for year one, $500,000 per year for the rest of her life. If vaxxes were determined to be the cause for most cases of autism, how could the country cover those costs?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-to-receive-15m-plus-in-first-ever-vaccine-autism-court-award/

12. After the government admitted to overdosing babies and our military with Thimerosal in the late 1990s (because they never took the time to do the calculations), the vaxxes weren't recalled. They continued to be given for years until the inventory was used up to avoid causing vax hesitancy with the public. When they lost Thimerosal in most vaxxes, they switched to vaccinating pregnant women based on no safety studies.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2003-05-21/html/CREC-2003-05-21-pt1-PgE1011-3.htm

13. Thimerosal (ethylmercury) has been used in vaccines for around 100 years. In the 1940s, it was determined it is toxic at parts per billion (nanograms). However, the government has never established a safety standard. They use INGESTED methylmercury (think tuna) for injected ethylmercury. The majority of vaxxes with Thimerosal had 25 mcg, which would require that one weighs about 550 pounds when using the methylmercury standard. Babies were receiving multiple shots with Thimerosal at the same time in the 1990s. This excipient was never needed and is only used to lower costs to avoid manufacturing single dose vials. It is still in multi-dose vials for flu vax and in Td (tetanus vax). The amount of Thimerosal in a shot can vary greatly if the vial isn't shaken prior to administration.

14. The vax ingredients Thimerosal and aluminium have toxic synergistic effects on neurons. (Neomycin exacerbates it.) Estrogen offers some protection against Thimerosal. Testosterone makes Thimerosal more toxic.

15. Tetanus can be treated with antibiotics. This vaccine was never tested in a vaccine trial for efficacy. "Almost 100% efficacy" was inferred. One of the tetanus vaxxes contains both Thimerosal and aluminum. The tetanus vax is recommended every 10 years for adults.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/tetanus.pdf and
https://rumble.com/v19ehtd-trace-amounts-2014-documentary.html

16. MRC-5 (from a male) and WI-38 (from a female) are vax ingredients made from aborted fetal cells. They are in Hep A, MMR, and Varicella (Chickenpox).
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/appdx-full-b.pdf

17. Low sperm count effects? Triton X-100 (Merck) is one of the most effective spermicides ever created. It is in some of the various flu vaxxes. Around 50% of the US gets a flu vax each year.

18. The gelatin in most vaxxes is made from pigs. Probably not very popular with a few religions.

19. Polysorbate 80 crosses the blood-brain barrier. It is in DTaP, Hep B, HPV, flu, MenB, Prevnar 13, Rotavirus, Tdap, and Shingles vaxxes.

20. Food allergies have increased significantly since the 1986 vax law was passed, which led to a dramatic increase in the number of vaccines. Vax excipients include several ingredients found in things we eat.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/appdx-full-b.pdf

21. Live virus vaxxes (Rotavirus, MMR, Chickenpox, Smallpox) shed and can cause the recently vaccinated to infect others.
https://www.hhs.gov/immunization/basics/types/index.html and
https://www.chop.edu/news/feature-article-viral-shedding-and-covid-19-what-can-and-can-t-happen

22. Jonas Salk was a eugenicist. He wrote about it in Survival of the Wisest. The polio outbreak years coincided with DDT use in homes and citywide spraying, including public swimming pools. When the vax was made available to the public, the government knew it contained SV-40 from the monkey kidney substrates that were used, and it was known at that time to cause tumors in mice. The oral polio vax can cause polio. It is no longer used in the US, but still used in other countries.

23. William Thompson is a CDC whistle blower who confirmed vaxxes were causing autism. He also said the government hid that African American boys, in particular, were experiencing higher levels of autism from MMR due to the age when it was given.

24. Simpsonwood was a conference where government and industry officials discussed trying to hide autism safety signals linked to Thimerosal found in vax data. Here's a transcript from the meeting:
https://archive.org/stream/TheSimpsonwoodDocuments/The-Simpsonwood-Documents_djvu.txt

25. Pediatricians get bonuses if they hit a certain percentage of fully vaxxed children in their care. I've heard they are paid $400 for each patient in their practice. I'm sure a pediatrician on this board could easily fact check this, which would be greatly appreciated. Doctors have no liability for vax injuries if they follow the government's Schedule.

26. In the 1990s, the government gave Big Pharma the ability to advertise direct-to-consumer. It wasn't a law that was passed. This ensured that media is captured or those companies risk losing millions in ad revenue. The only other country where this is legal is New Zealand. Big Pharma is the biggest lobbyist in DC by far.

27. Big Pharma companies have paid billions in fines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

28. The Spanish Flu in 1918 started at a military base in Fort Riley, Kansas. The Swine Flu in 1976 started at Fort Dix. Only one soldier died of something before they decided to start vaccinating 40+ million Americans for the "pandemic." More people died from the vax than the Swine Flu. Let's not forget the H1N1 "pandemic" in 2009. These videos discuss both scams from a time when the media did their jobs:
and
https://rumble.com/v13109t-channel-4-news-exposes-h1n1-swine-flu-scandal-of-2009.html

29. First, we had SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) for infants. Now, since 2021, we have SADS (Sudden Adult Death Syndrome). Probably a coincidence.

30. The third leading cause of death in the US is medical error. Not a real confidence builder. No one cares more about your child(ren) than you do. Research medical advice before you agree.
https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139


KidDoc, Dr not yet a Dr, and Infection Ag, hope you can help with the fact-checking. It's appreciated.
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My bad. I failed to mention that the post mainly applies to people that have had or have the slightest chance of having intercourse with the opposite sex. Others probably don't care very much.
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Analysis comparing Japanese and German mortality once again finds substantial spike in deaths corresponding to the mass administration of Covid vaccines

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/analysis-comparing-japanese-and-german

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What's very interesting about the pandemic, is its highly variable influence on all-cause mortality across the globe, and how this contrasts with the vaccines, which seem to coincide with marked upward trends almost everywhere they were widely administered.

The authors observe that "the official fear-mongering forecasts … in 2020 from Covid-19 in high income countries did not come true, neither in Japan nor in Germany," but note that

It should be investigated to what extent the about 5 to 10 percent highly significantly increased mortalities in Germany and Japan in 2021 and 2022 might be due to the pandemic counter-measures, including the vaccinations with their possibly underestimated immediate or protracted side effects. … From this point of view, it seems possible that a high vaccination rate has contributed to an increased all-cause mortality in some countries…

Elke Bodderas, who draws attention to this analysis today in Welt, notes the profound official incuriousity surrounding these numbers:

What is the RKI [the German CDC] doing now? They're busy with many other things. They're very interested in "an investigation of the promotion of physical activity in childcare centres, schools and sport associations in light of pandemic restrictions." In other areas too they show great industry. Interesting news will certainly come from their telephone survey "on foodborne illness", or their general study on "health in Germany today" …

Is there anyone in the RKI who worries that German intensive care units suddenly reported a 76% increase in embolic strokes in December, as hospital data of the billing portal Inek show? Or why Japan, which Drosten praised as an "exemplary" country, saw such an outrageously high excess mortality in 2022 more than twice as much as in the tsunami year of 2011?

No, not a single person anywhere in officialdom has demonstrated the slightest interest in these questions.

The entire success of our genius one-cool-trick pandemic measures exists in a hypothetical world. It is never anything we can see. Deaths in Germany were totally on-trend in 2020, but we're asked to believe they would've been catastrophic without lockdowns. They increased substantially with the advent of mass vaccination beginning precisely April 2021, but we're asked to believe even more would've died without the vaccines.


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Cleveland Clinic Peer-Reviewed Study Found that the More Vaccines You've Had, the Higher Your COVID-19 Infection Risk

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/cleveland-clinic-peer-reviewed-study-found-that-more/
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waco_aggie05 said:

I will never, ever, NEVER, EVER forget the conversation I had with my cardiologist when I asked him to write a medical waiver for not getting the vaccine so I could keep my job during the height of this. Even though I had already been infected and had natural immunity, he adamently pushed I should get the shot, knowing my family history of heart disease. His condesending attitude and dismissal of my concerns should be a form of malpractice. Had I listened to his medical advice I could be dead.

Just turned 40 last month and searching for a new Dr. Needless to say I will be vetting much more extensively than I had in the past.
I got into a shouting match with my kids' pediatrician as she was adamant about wanting to jab my kids...

She called me a loose cannon and irresponsible...

My kids remain pure bloods...
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FireAg said:

waco_aggie05 said:

I will never, ever, NEVER, EVER forget the conversation I had with my cardiologist when I asked him to write a medical waiver for not getting the vaccine so I could keep my job during the height of this. Even though I had already been infected and had natural immunity, he adamently pushed I should get the shot, knowing my family history of heart disease. His condesending attitude and dismissal of my concerns should be a form of malpractice. Had I listened to his medical advice I could be dead.

Just turned 40 last month and searching for a new Dr. Needless to say I will be vetting much more extensively than I had in the past.
I got into a shouting match with my kids' pediatrician as she was adamant about wanting to jab my kids...

She called me a loose cannon and irresponsible...

My kids remain pure bloods...


I will never, ever understand why doctors wanted to give it to children and babies when we KNEW from the beginning that Covid had negligible effects on them.
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Bocephus said:

FireAg said:

waco_aggie05 said:

I will never, ever, NEVER, EVER forget the conversation I had with my cardiologist when I asked him to write a medical waiver for not getting the vaccine so I could keep my job during the height of this. Even though I had already been infected and had natural immunity, he adamently pushed I should get the shot, knowing my family history of heart disease. His condesending attitude and dismissal of my concerns should be a form of malpractice. Had I listened to his medical advice I could be dead.

Just turned 40 last month and searching for a new Dr. Needless to say I will be vetting much more extensively than I had in the past.
I got into a shouting match with my kids' pediatrician as she was adamant about wanting to jab my kids...

She called me a loose cannon and irresponsible...

My kids remain pure bloods...


I will never, ever understand why doctors wanted to give it to children and babies when we KNEW from the beginning that Covid had negligible effects on them.
Once the cdc or fda or whomever it was said it was safe for children it was my understanding that all liability when vaccine was taken off the emergency status and made a normal drug then the manufactures couldn't be sued.

Doctors lined up like lemmings and orders were followed after made eligible for kids.

If I am wrong on this I am sure someone will let me know but I think I am on the right track.
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Bocephus said:

FireAg said:

waco_aggie05 said:

I will never, ever, NEVER, EVER forget the conversation I had with my cardiologist when I asked him to write a medical waiver for not getting the vaccine so I could keep my job during the height of this. Even though I had already been infected and had natural immunity, he adamently pushed I should get the shot, knowing my family history of heart disease. His condesending attitude and dismissal of my concerns should be a form of malpractice. Had I listened to his medical advice I could be dead.

Just turned 40 last month and searching for a new Dr. Needless to say I will be vetting much more extensively than I had in the past.
I got into a shouting match with my kids' pediatrician as she was adamant about wanting to jab my kids...

She called me a loose cannon and irresponsible...

My kids remain pure bloods...


I will never, ever understand why doctors wanted to give it to children and babies when we KNEW from the beginning that Covid had negligible effects on them.

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