This will last all of about a cup of coffee, seriously Iran and the majority of mideast do not see a Israel as a real partner.

This is what surrender looks like. Palestine loses territory, Hamas turns over their weapons and are given safe passage out of Gaza, administration is given to an international board headed by Trump.

Hamas is putting their own people as security for the area they still have so that's already bad news. Like ticks. This new coalition force going to already have to root them out.

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This will last all of about a cup of coffee, seriously Iran and the majority of mideast do not see a Israel as a real partner.

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Iran doesn't really like supporting Sunnis. A little more cleverness in diplomacy can back that off but at the moment there is too much of a conflict going on because of the nuke program. But that might change yet.

Clarification by Witkoff: our 200 US troops will not be on the ground in Gaza. Sound like they will be more behind the scenes in the new joint operation center.

Also, Hamas continues to reestablish control as Israel leaves even though they originally agreed the Palestinian "technocrats" would run Gaza.

I predict failure of this deal.

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Hamas police could be seen on the streets of Gaza on Saturday, Reuters footage showed. That followed a statement by Hamas on Friday announcing plans to deploy internal security forces and reassert its authority.

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Agree that the 20 points as laid out will probably not be adopted.

But how much appetite does Israel still have for war? I doubt the level of conflict we've been seeing resumes. Bibi doesn't want to alienate the orthodox parties over draft laws any further, and manpower is tight. But something new will emerge that Bibi thinks will appease a large enough coalition to keep him in power and secondarily appease the Arabs enough for him to normalize relations with more Arab neighbors.

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Agree that the 20 points as laid out will probably not be adopted.

But how much appetite does Israel still have for war? I doubt the level of conflict we've been seeing resumes. Bibi doesn't want to alienate the orthodox parties over draft laws any further, and manpower is tight. But something new will emerge that Bibi thinks will appease a large enough coalition to keep him in power and secondarily appease the Arabs enough for him to normalize relations with more Arab neighbors.

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There are two warring coalitions in Israel so not sure who has the upper hand. If they don't get the 20 points done, then they will simply face the same 10/7 situation again later.

This is their best chance to largely annihilate the evil in their midst. They should take it.

20 hostages expected to be turned over by tomorrow. Bodies of others will take longer and I think folks need to be ready for never finding some of them in that mess.

If Hamas objects to the tunnels being destroyed, then I would end the deal as soon as I get these hostages and resume destroying them. If they actually plan on hanging it up, then there is no need for these tunnels. Also some US firm(s) about to make some money with this rebuild.

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Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz said Sunday that Israel was going to insist that its military be allowed to destroy what's left of Hamas's extensive tunnel system underneath the Gaza Strip once the hostages are returned. Katz called the endeavor "the greatest challenge" for Israel going forward after the release of the hostages. He added that the Israeli military would work in conjunction with a U.S.-led international mechanism for the reconstruction of the Gaza Strip.

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Israel has only destroyed around 30%-40% of the hundreds-of-miles-long tunnel system underneath Gaza, according to Israeli and Arab officials. Any attempt by Israel to destroy the rest of the subterranean infrastructure would be a highly contentious issue going forward as it would lead to even more destruction in Gaza.

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Mr. FAFO who posted video of him "dying" from IDF attacks about a dozen times

now has pictures of him being killed by one of the Gaza clans acting against Hamas.

I still tend to believe he pocketed the 10 million dollars he raised for "children in Gaza" and is sitting in a Qatar hotel.

but it would be hilarious if he is done in on the same day all the hostages are freed.

This is awesome !!!

The meeting with Trump in Israel sounds like it got much larger as things went on, good chance the peace deal with more countries will be presented soon.

I wonder why all the hostages still alive are male. Sure it has nothing to do with the world knowing what they did to the females if they were allowed to live.

Released hostages

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I wonder why all the hostages still alive are male. Sure it has nothing to do with the world knowing what they did to the females if they were allowed to live.

Released hostages

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Unfortunately I think you're right. Those women experienced a fate worse than hell before they finally died.

I did see that Hamas is back to executing other Palestinians that don't support them.

Yep. IDF pulls back and the killing in Gaza continues.

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I wonder why all the hostages still alive are male. Sure it has nothing to do with the world knowing what they did to the females if they were allowed to live.

Released hostages

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How many of the 28 remaining hostages are confirmed to be female?

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P.U.T.U said:

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I wonder why all the hostages still alive are male. Sure it has nothing to do with the world knowing what they did to the females if they were allowed to live.

Released hostages

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How many of the 28 remaining hostages are confirmed to be female?

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unfortunately many of the bodies already returned to Israel in the last two years were females

in the first few days the IDF rescued a female IDF soldier, but her fellow Observation Post friend was murdered in the first few weeks in Gaza.

just like with Shiri Bibas and her two young sons murdered in the first few days.

this is pretty awesome- Air Force One flew over

A beautiful sight to see on Tel Aviv beach in front of US Embassy Branch Office. We are waiting on arrival of @realDonaldTrump at airport. 🙏 https://t.co/aBv2ViyKGo

— Ambassador Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) October 13, 2025

Note the words used by this POS Clown:

It’s great that the ceasefire has held for a few days and hostage swaps are taking place.

This has got to be the most pathetic attempted gotcha that I see from a bunch of the Israel First crowd. This demand to celebrate before we even know if this nightmare is over is wild. https://t.co/KNsiVhhexV

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) October 13, 2025

There were no "hostage swaps". It was hostages traded for terrorists.

Hamas apologists are SCUM.

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Note the words used by this POS Clown:

It’s great that the ceasefire has held for a few days and hostage swaps are taking place.

This has got to be the most pathetic attempted gotcha that I see from a bunch of the Israel First crowd. This demand to celebrate before we even know if this nightmare is over is wild. https://t.co/KNsiVhhexV

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) October 13, 2025

There were no "hostage swaps". It was hostages traded for terrorists.

Hamas apologists are SCUM.

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I like Dave. Could have said it cleaner but the point is true. A lot of sheet to figure out. A lot.

Do you really think it's gonna be super peaceful and Gaza and the west bank just get figured out without convention or more bloodshed?

I don't.

So what's your huge beef with his comment?

It they try to start **** again, they have fewer bargaining chips without hostages. IMO, Israel should just nuke them next time.

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Im Gipper said:

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Note the words used by this POS Clown:

It’s great that the ceasefire has held for a few days and hostage swaps are taking place.

This has got to be the most pathetic attempted gotcha that I see from a bunch of the Israel First crowd. This demand to celebrate before we even know if this nightmare is over is wild. https://t.co/KNsiVhhexV

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) October 13, 2025

There were no "hostage swaps". It was hostages traded for terrorists.

Hamas apologists are SCUM.

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I like Dave. Could have said it cleaner but the point is true. A lot of sheet to figure out. A lot.

Do you really think it's gonna be super peaceful and Gaza and the west bank just get figured out without convention or more bloodshed?

I don't.

So what's your huge beef with his comment?

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I like Dave. Could have said it cleaner but the point is true. A lot of sheet to figure out. A lot.

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Words matter. He knows what he said and meant it. Any "point" he had was purposefully laced with Terrorist sympathizer rhetoric

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Do you really think it's gonna be super peaceful and Gaza and the west bank just get figured out without convention or more bloodshed?

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Nothing in my post remotely suggests I think that.

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So what's your huge beef with his comment?

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Exactly what I posted.

Calling the terrorists criminals released by Israel "hostages" is trying to push the Hamas/Palestinean lies. There was no "hostage swap". Anyone calling it that is not on the side of America. Clown Dave is scum. He hates Trump and is wrong every time he opens his gayass mouth about the Middle East.

Dave Smith is a ****ing moron.

Clearly equating the hostages held in tunnels after they were violently kidnapped with those Palestinians held in prisons in Israel that were put there because they either tried to kill Israelis or broke some other law is the problem.

But you know that

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I wonder why all the hostages still alive are male. Sure it has nothing to do with the world knowing what they did to the females if they were allowed to live.

Released hostages

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How many of the 28 remaining hostages are confirmed to be female?

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unfortunately many of the bodies already returned to Israel in the last two years were females

in the first few days the IDF rescued a female IDF soldier, but her fellow Observation Post friend was murdered in the first few weeks in Gaza.

just like with Shiri Bibas and her two young sons murdered in the first few days.

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Yes I remember that and I also remember the horrible images of the women and girls being taken on Oct. 7. There have been many innocent female casualties.

I am asking about the last 28. The ones we know are no longer alive. I have seen reporting that Hamas released many of the women and children they held, in the earlier releases and that is why there aren't any women being released in this most recent release. I want to see if that's accurate or not.

Parody, but on the nose!

Oof https://t.co/vz3n1XkhSL pic.twitter.com/GBU6grdUhq

— Frank McCormick (@CBHeresy) October 13, 2025

Here are just a few of the "hostages" being released by Israel:

Imad Qawasmeh, 52 (Hamas) convicted for the 2004 Beersheva bus bombing that killed 16 Israelis

Qassem Aref Khalil al-Asafreh, 36 (Hamas) involved in 2019 stabbing murder of yeshivah student Dvir Sorek

Muhammad Aref Samhan, 55 (Fatah/Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades) responsible for 2003 Jerusalem bus bombing killing 23

Ibrahim Muhammad al-Raai, 46 (Fatah/Tanzim) responsible for 2006 Nablus bombing and multiple shooting attacks

Rashid Mahmoud Omar, 48 (Fatah) convicted of murder of a Palestinian collaborator

Raad Abd al-Aziz, 45 (Fatah) convicted of murder, attempted murder, and weapons offenses

Omar Mahmoud Bassis, 60 (Palestinian Islamic Jihad) responsible for explosives attacks during Second Intifada

Arafat Hamid Zir, 43 (Islamic Jihad) convicted of aiding and inciting murder

Faisal Mahmoud Abdullah Khalifa, 43 (Hamas) jailed since December 2024 for weapons and conspiracy offenses

Firas Sadiq Muhammad Ghanem, 51 (Fatah/Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades) responsible for attacks causing 9 Israeli deaths

Ibrahim al-Hani, 54 (Popular Front) involved in Second Intifada attacks

Ibrahim al-Qam, 53 (Popular Front) serving two life sentences; deported

Atiyah Abu Samhadana, 56 (Fatah) veteran Rafah operative; sentenced 30 years, ending now

Iyad Muhammad Abu al-Rub, 51 (Palestinian Islamic Jihad) senior PIJ commander in Jenin

Alaa al-Din al-Karki, 52 (Hamas) jailed since 1993 for multiple attacks

Here are just a few of the “hostages” being released by Israel:

•Imad Qawasmeh, 52 (Hamas) – convicted for the 2004 Beersheva bus bombing that killed 16 Israelis

•Qassem Aref Khalil al-Asafreh, 36 (Hamas) – involved in 2019 stabbing murder of yeshivah student Dvir Sorek… https://t.co/an1DuRcVxq

— Joel Berry (@JoelWBerry) October 13, 2025

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15187911/Palestinian-raped-13-year-old-boy-beat-death-iron-bar-prisoners-freed-hostage-deal.html

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A Palestinian man who raped a 13-year-old boy before beating him to death with an iron bar is among the prisoners to be freed by Israel under the hostage deal.

Ahmed Mahmed Jameel Shahada was put behind bards in 1989 after luring teenager Oren Bahrami to a monastery in Jaffa, Tel Aviv, before raping him and beating him to death.

Oren's parents, from south of Tel Aviv, reported him missing in April 1989. Detectives working on the case initially suspected he had been kidnapped by terrorists, after finding his abandoned bike in a Jaffa port

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He should've been executed decades ago.

"Held without charges"

Pretty sure Israel didn't just pick these pieces of **** up off the street for no reason. Considering everything the palestinians have ever done, I'm going to assume they're all terrorist scum until proven otherwise.

And **** "palestine". Israel should level Gaza and the West Bank and just be done with it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15189419/joe-biden-praises-trump-israel-hamas-deal.html

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Joe Biden has praised Donald Trump for his success in negotiating a peace deal which allowed the 20 remaining Hamas survivors to return home.

But he also tried to take some credit for the monumental deal, claiming his administration had laid the groundwork for Trump to negotiate.

'The road to this deal was not easy. My Administration worked relentlessly to bring hostages home, get relief to Palestinian civilians, and end the war,' Biden said in a statement to X on Monday

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***** please

What an absolute load of shameless crap...

He's a sack of horse ****