Karen Read - Guilty of Murder or Police Corruption Cover-up?

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He's that level of D-Bag, but he's basically unhirable anywhere and his marriage is collapsing. Where can he realistically go from here?
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ABATTBQ11 said:

He's that level of D-Bag, but he's basically unhirable anywhere and his marriage is collapsing. Where can he realistically go from here?


To church
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MsDoubleD81 said:

I still think he thinks he was justified in everything he said in the texts.


Thanks for the correction below, Rex. I totally misread.


I agree. He thinks that he's justified.

But his text also betray that he never actually investigated anything. He just went along with what the Albert family said.

And that's exactly the type of bad police work we don't want. We want them to actually investigate and discover evidence which is something he did not do.

He even said in that interview that if he had it to do over again he might have looked at other cars for dents just to say that he did it.

They need to clean house so bad
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I think she's saying Proctor still thinks what he did was justifiable.
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You're right, I totally missed that up. Lack of reading comprehension before my coffee this morning
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Dang. I missed what you misread!
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Dang. I missed what you misread!


I thought you were saying you don't think it was that bad, not that you think Proctor thinks he was right
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Canton cop? I mean that is definitely his drinking buddy Kevin Albert, right?

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The Cold Case that Proctor was pretending to work on so he could get paid overtime and drink with his buddy Kevin Albert is a missing person that went missing before they were born



The local police has no record of any sort of investigation on him. So if they were investigating it they were doing it with no records and no help from the local PD

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Also, in the recent records dump they have found that Michael Proctor was forwarding department and investigatory emails to his personal email. So now his personal email can be FOIAed
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That is so sad and frustrating.
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https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/karen-read-files-explosive-lawsuit-alleging-police-cover-up-death-john-okeefe/





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I saw this today and thought "the McAlberts can't possibly be this stupid."

It would be Christmas morning to get to depose them.

Higgins we know for a fact lied about his reasons for being at the police station. Jen lied to the FBI among others. It's just a field day for Read's lawyers.
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In other news tangentially related to this case, MSP lucked out as Brian Walshe decided to change his plea at the last minute to guilty. The key police players won't have to take the stand and get grilled.
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The federal prosecutor that was involved in investigating Proctor and all this has left his federal prosecution job to run against Morrissey as Norfolk County DA.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/adam-deitch-runs-norfolk-county-da/69471996
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"I left my job as a federal prosecutor because it's clear there's a problem in Norfolk County. Victims are not getting the justice they deserve, the public has lost faith in the system, and someone has to do something about it," he said in a written announcement about his campaign.


In his announcement, he touted his success as a federal prosecutor handling corruption cases across the state, including a Massachusetts State Police CDL bribery scandal, driving license fraud and bribes, and a fraud case involving Boston community activist Monica Cannon-Grant.



Deitch also served as the lead assistant U.S. attorney in the federal investigation into the death of Boston police officer John O'Keefe and the state investigation and prosecution of Read.

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AtticusMatlock said:

In other news tangentially related to this case, MSP lucked out as Brian Walshe decided to change his plea at the last minute to guilty. The key police players won't have to take the stand and get grilled.

That's pretty interesting. I think the bigger case is the lesser known one with a black defendant where Proctor made racist comments on his personal phone. Those troopers arent ouf of the woods yet, but teh Walsche case was the most well known case.
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He still has to stand trial for the actual murder? He only pleaded guilty to disposing of her body.

Brian Walshe, charged with murdering wife, pleads guilty to disposing of her body https://share.google/A6nsUX545XFfzIkWL
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MsDoubleD81 said:

He still has to stand trial for the actual murder? He only pleaded guilty to disposing of her body.

Brian Walshe, charged with murdering wife, pleads guilty to disposing of her body https://share.google/A6nsUX545XFfzIkWL

This just makes no sense. Pleading NG to murdering but guilty to disposing of the body?
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I know. I don't understand either. Maybe he'll plead oou before trial starts on December 1.
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MsDoubleD81 said:

I know. I don't understand either. Maybe he'll plead oou before trial starts on December 1.


The da said there's no offer on the table. I just don't get it at all.
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Oh wow interesting. That's what I get for just reading a headline and the first few lines of an article. I must have missed the crux of the plea. He probably thinks they have him dead to rights on the disposal and maybe it helps him strategically to admit to it to numb the effect of the Commonwealth arguing the disposal was evidence of murder. .

Maybe the evidence for the murder itself is pretty weak. Interesting strategy.

Maybe we will get to see these detective squirm on the stand after all.
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AtticusMatlock said:

Oh wow interesting. That's what I get for just reading a headline and the first few lines of an article. I must have missed the crux of the plea. He probably thinks they have him dead to rights on the disposal and maybe it helps him strategically to admit to it to numb the effect of the Commonwealth arguing the disposal was evidence of murder. .

Maybe the evidence for the murder itself is pretty weak. Interesting strategy.

Maybe we will get to see these detective squirm on the stand after all.


But they can still bring in that he pled guilty to disposal and all his searches, right?

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But they can still bring in that he pled guilty to disposal and all his searches, right?


Going to be an interesting pretrial hearing on the admissibility of those. My sense is no on the guilty plea but yes on searches.
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never really kept up with this thread too much, but after reading a few of you guys last pages there is some crazy stuff going on up near Boston with the MPD... I wonder why Reeds BF was killed ? just crazy, Ill have to try and keep up with what you are posting as this goes on
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IMO - there was a fight, possibly a couple guys ganged up on John, and John's death was an accident. Instead of owning up to their error Jen McCabe convinced them to cover it up and frame Karen. The frame job was proven false in court but the crooked cops and their families refuse to move on and accept defeat.
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Guitarsoup said:

MsDoubleD81 said:

He still has to stand trial for the actual murder? He only pleaded guilty to disposing of her body.

Brian Walshe, charged with murdering wife, pleads guilty to disposing of her body https://share.google/A6nsUX545XFfzIkWL

This just makes no sense. Pleading NG to murdering but guilty to disposing of the body?

That strategy worked for Robert Durst.
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fullback44 said:

never really kept up with this thread too much, but after reading a few of you guys last pages there is some crazy stuff going on up near Boston with the MPD... I wonder why Reeds BF was killed ? just crazy, Ill have to try and keep up with what you are posting as this goes on


It kind of got glossed over at the trial, but most of them had been drinking pretty heavily that day. Went to at least 2 bars before going back to their home to continue drinking.

It's not a leap to say that JOK showed up, words were exchanged, and a fight broke out.

What we know for certain is the McAlberts stories are a lie. Video evidence confirms that at a minimum.

What exactly they were lying to cover up is the real question.
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AgLiving06 said:

fullback44 said:

never really kept up with this thread too much, but after reading a few of you guys last pages there is some crazy stuff going on up near Boston with the MPD... I wonder why Reeds BF was killed ? just crazy, Ill have to try and keep up with what you are posting as this goes on


It kind of got glossed over at the trial, but most of them had been drinking pretty heavily that day. Went to at least 2 bars before going back to their home to continue drinking.

It's not a leap to say that JOK showed up, words were exchanged, and a fight broke out.

What we know for certain is the McAlberts stories are a lie. Video evidence confirms that at a minimum.

What exactly they were lying to cover up is the real question.


I don't really believe anytime intended to kill John. But alcohol+testosterone+bad life choices+bad luck of him falling back and hitting his head = death.

And the prosecution witness testified he might have been saved if they called for help right away. In trying to frame a plow then Karen, they did kill him to skate on an agg assault charge
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Guitarsoup said:

Morrissey paid an outside agency $20k to do research on the Crash Daddies looking for impeachment evidence.



We are at 1.4M to prosecute a no-injury DUI.



i need to get into the crash reconstruction business.
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agracer said:

Guitarsoup said:

Morrissey paid an outside agency $20k to do research on the Crash Daddies looking for impeachment evidence.



We are at 1.4M to prosecute a no-injury DUI.



i need to get into the crash reconstruction business.


What's your thought on blue pain? haha
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Proving that the snow didn't take a few weeks to melt off to find those other pieces. I always thought they sent a few pieces to be found by SERT and they bagged and posted dated the rest at CPD. Never bothered to take them to 34 Fairview.
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This Marbury v Madison person is an attorney in North Carolina that sued to get all the files in this case and got Judge Bev to release all the court sidebars that dont have to do with the jury.
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Funny hearing all the same names ******, Tully. Proctor, Connor Keefe, etc in the Walshe trial. They are on 1st witness and listening to the recording of when he was lying to police. I love the judge though!
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