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🚨The American Red Cross is now asking blood donors if they ever received the Covid vaccine

If you answer Yes, they want you to call ahead to see if you’re still eligible

I thought the vax was “safe and effective”?

What info are they hiding from us? pic.twitter.com/xmEIaHE2gN

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 20, 2024

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I take a certain prostate med that prohibits me from donating blood. Perhaps it's something like that? Not dangerous BECAUSE it's the COVID vac, but something in a drug component that could be an issue to some people?

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Like what?

I've been to Africa and as a result of the countries I've been, I couldn't donate. Potential Malaria exposure.

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Like I dunno. I don't know enough about such things or what the components of the vac are. I just know my own experience and think this could be similar.

Would any non-vaxed person needing a blood transfusion refuse the blood of a vaxed person?

Enviroag02 said:

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Would any non-vaxed person needing a blood transfusion refuse the blood of a vaxed person?

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Now, this is an interesting question.

Edit to ask if there is any research on the effects.

The Kraken said:

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I got it and have no regrets. Will I get boosted? Likely not given the strains have become less and less nasty over time.

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Ditto. When the vaccines rolled out, I remember seeing that the state of Maryland had 30 Covid deaths one month, and not a single one was vaccinated. So, with elderly parents and a wife in cancer remission, I got both shots. Wasn't worried then, not worried now. I'm a chemist; I know what's in our food, our air, and my lab. Not scared of a shot (unless Putin is after me).

Losing a couple of friends to Covid didn't hurt my decision process either.

I donated my O+ several times in the early to mid 90s, but ever since the late 90's, Red Cross decided I may no longer donate because I lived in the UK in the 80s. I guess they were worried about mad cow disease or something.

Now, I'm pure from mRNA covid vax, and I'm pretty sure I'm in the clear from mad cow almost 40 years since I moved from the UK, but I they still don't want my blood. Oh well.

I am overweight and in my 60s and would be considered "high risk." I didn't get the shot, and there was or is no freaking way I would get a shot for a virus with a 99.5%+ survival rate.

We live in a wicked society and I am sorry for the folks that got the shot, because a new virus will come and target those that got the shot. Its not a matter of "if," but "when."

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We live in a wicked society and I am sorry for the folks that got the shot, because a new virus will come and target those that got the shot. Its not a matter of "if," but "when."

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CTOTD!

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Eh, I got it and all the boosters. I had COVID (I think...it was Jan 2, 2020) before anyone knew what it was and haven't had any issues since. I also get a flu shot every year. I just don't get the uproar over a little shot.

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I have a hard time believing you're being genuine. This has to be a troll.


A. I'm not sure how you knew you had Covid in January, when the tests weren't available until months later

B. The flu shot? That's not remotely similar, other than there being a syringe. It's not delivered by mRNA via EAU approval. Might as well have compared it to a vitamin B shot.

C. You really dont get the uproar, and why people wouldnt take it again, given everything we know now? Even if you disagree, I have a hard time believing you aren't able to at least understand the debate.

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Sorry you think I'm being disingenuous. Maybe I didn't explain it well.

A. I didn't know that it was COVID, which is why I said "I think". It wasn't the flu, and they hadn't developed COVID tests yet, but it had all the symptoms and kicked my ass for over a week. But no antibody test showed that I did have it, so who knows? And like someone above, I had elderly parents and I have asthma, so it seemed like a good idea to get the shot. TBH, when my mom died, COVID was mentioned in the COD. One of those that died WITH COVID but not FROM COVID, I guess.

B. As I said above, I don't know that much about any of the medical stuff, so to me, a vac is a vac. I do know the difference between a vaccination and a B12 shot, though.

C. Refer to B. If y'all that know stuff want to get in an uproar, I'm not gonna tell you not to, or judge you for doing so.

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I think the more interesting question to ask would be, "Has the Covid vaccination saga changed the way that you look at other decisions you make in life?"

At this point, vaccination is a sunk cost. Done. Gone. No need to relitigate. If your outlook is changed because of it, you're going to see that in future decisions not past. Have you changed your lifestyle? Eat healthier? Trying to get off maintenance meds? Are you seeing your employer as less employee friendly than before? More? Do you see politicians running from vax past as something worth considering the next time they try to sell you an idea?

If you regret the vaccine and haven't changed anything else...well, I would say you really don't regret the vaccine.

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Sounds like you're creating a massive distraction from the reality of being a big vaxxer.

Aggie Infantry said:

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Never got it.
Never will.

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This. I took it to the wire with my big tech employer, then submitted an exception request which dragged it out into March 2023 by the time they lifted the mandate.

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Ags4DaWin said:

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For all those who got vaccinated to "keep their job"

It would have been real interesting if everyone who didn't want the shot would have just refused to get it.

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I kind of expected more resistance at my company, but even my conservative colleagues were like "meh, it is what it is". Screw the experimental nature of the vaccine itself, I couldn't believe there was no uproar that they were threatening to terminate us for simply making our own medical decisions.

I faked a vaccine card and do not regret it. I had a newborn at the time, otherwise, I might have just quit or told them to p*ss off and take my chances. Wife and I discussed and decided forgery was the best approach.

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Huge props

Muy said:

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Sims said:

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I think the more interesting question to ask would be, "Has the Covid vaccination saga changed the way that you look at other decisions you make in life?"

At this point, vaccination is a sunk cost. Done. Gone. No need to relitigate. If your outlook is changed because of it, you're going to see that in future decisions not past. Have you changed your lifestyle? Eat healthier? Trying to get off maintenance meds? Are you seeing your employer as less employee friendly than before? More? Do you see politicians running from vax past as something worth considering the next time they try to sell you an idea?

If you regret the vaccine and haven't changed anything else...well, I would say you really don't regret the vaccine.

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Sounds like you're creating a massive distraction from the reality of being a big vaxxer.

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Well, you'd be wrong. No Covid vaccination for me or my family.

I think you're missing my point - It's one thing to look backwards through the lens of history and say...well, I shouldn't have done that. What good does that do you? If you truly felt regret and were repentant of getting vaccinated - have you done anything that stems from that regret? OR have you done the same exact stuff without making any changes so that the next time this happens, and it will, you have the ability (at worst) to say no or you've put yourself in a situation where there is no need to say no because there isn't any leverage to make you do something you don't want to.

CDUB98 said:

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What's getting annoying is all you virtue signalers who feel the need to jump on every thread.

Look, I'm glad you were able to avoid it. Congratulations. Some of us were pretty much given no choice if we wanted to continue down the path in life we were on.

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I feel terrible for the folks that were in your predicament. The ones that forced this on you should have to answer for this. Those scum should be vilified.

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B. As I said above, I don't know that much about any of the medical stuff, so to me, a vac is a vac. I do know the difference between a vaccination and a B12 shot, though.

C. Refer to B. If y'all that know stuff want to get in an uproar, I'm not gonna tell you not to, or judge you for doing so.

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Why hop on a thread, and discuss a medical treatment, if you dont know 'much about any of the medical stuff'. Heck, why would you take any medication if you aren't aware of the side effects?

I have a hard time believing you've somehow avoided all the discussion about the vaccine, which you took, and are just completely unaware. I give you more credit than that.

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Muy said:

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Sims said:

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I think the more interesting question to ask would be, "Has the Covid vaccination saga changed the way that you look at other decisions you make in life?"

At this point, vaccination is a sunk cost. Done. Gone. No need to relitigate. If your outlook is changed because of it, you're going to see that in future decisions not past. Have you changed your lifestyle? Eat healthier? Trying to get off maintenance meds? Are you seeing your employer as less employee friendly than before? More? Do you see politicians running from vax past as something worth considering the next time they try to sell you an idea?

If you regret the vaccine and haven't changed anything else...well, I would say you really don't regret the vaccine.

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Sounds like you're creating a massive distraction from the reality of being a big vaxxer.

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Well, you'd be wrong. No Covid vaccination for me or my family.

I think you're missing my point - It's one thing to look backwards through the lens of history and say...well, I shouldn't have done that. What good does that do you? If you truly felt regret and were repentant of getting vaccinated - have you done anything that stems from that regret? OR have you done the same exact stuff without making any changes so that the next time this happens, and it will, you have the ability (at worst) to say no or you've put yourself in a situation where there is no need to say no because there isn't any leverage to make you do something you don't want to.

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As someone who got the Delta variant and ended up in the hospital with double pneumonia, and as someone who is healthy and exercises 6+ days a week, while I do agree that those who are obese need to make changes to ensure they don't put themselves at risk, the entire point of this thread IS to look back and say whether you regret getting the vax. Knowing what we know now, the vax didn't change anything and has actually put the vaxxed in more danger now and potentially worse in the future.

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B. As I said above, I don't know that much about any of the medical stuff, so to me, a vac is a vac. I do know the difference between a vaccination and a B12 shot, though.

C. Refer to B. If y'all that know stuff want to get in an uproar, I'm not gonna tell you not to, or judge you for doing so.

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Why hop on a thread, and discuss a medical treatment, if you dont know 'much about any of the medical stuff'. Heck, why would you take any medication if you aren't aware of the side effects?

I have a hard time believing you've somehow avoided all the discussion about the vaccine, which you took, and are just completely unaware. I give you more credit than that.

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I hopped on the thread to answer the question asked. I didn't know it would turn into such a big deal, though I've been on this forum enough to know better.

I took all the arguments about side effects and all as speculation and/or something-out-of-nothing. You know, vaxxers v. anti-vaxxers kinda stuff. It seems like now those accusations are being proven true, and I won't be getting any more vaccinations going forward.

CDUB98 said:

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What's getting annoying is all you virtue signalers who feel the need to jump on every thread.

Look, I'm glad you were able to avoid it. Congratulations. Some of us were pretty much given no choice if we wanted to continue down the path in life we were on.

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I'm not happy because I didn't get the shot, I'm happy my employer didn't force me too. My empathy is for people like you that had their ability to choose taken from them.

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I hopped on the thread to answer the question asked. I didn't know it would turn into such a big deal, though I've been on this forum enough to know better.

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I dont think it's a big deal. It's just a discussion.

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As someone who got the Delta variant and ended up in the hospital with double pneumonia, and as someone who is healthy and exercises 6+ days a week, while I do agree that those who are obese need to make changes to ensure they don't put themselves at risk, the entire point of this thread IS to look back and say whether you regret getting the vax. Knowing what we know now, the vax didn't change anything and has actually put the vaxxed in more danger now and potentially worse in the future.

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Which is why I suggested I thought it might be more interesting to rephrase the question because regret without action, in my opinion, indicates the regret isn't as sincere as you think it is.

Maybe you're just telling me to start my own thread.

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The big thing with me was the relatively new and unproven MRNA tech of the Pfizer and Moderna shots. I got the J&J since it was the old tech that was proven over many years, even though it supposedly had a lower efficacy. I would not have gotten an MRNA shot if it had been the only choice.

Now I wouldn't even get the J&J if I had it to do over again.

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The J&J shot was not a traditional vaccine either. It's doesn't use mRNA but does use viral DNA transmitted by the adenovirus.

A traditional vaccine takes the real virus and kills it off. Your body gets to attack the real thing in a harmless state and builds up immunity. If you encounter the live virus later your body will be ready for it. If the virus in the vaccine is not completely disabled then you may get infected. That's an acceptable risk for the flu but not for something like HIV. So they came up with alternative approaches to simulate a vaccine without using the original virus by having your own cells produce a spike protein that matches the target virus.

Your cells naturally create proteins as instructed by mRNA generated by the cell itself. The mRNA vaccines hijack this process by introducing synthetic mRNA which instruct your cells to produce a spike protein that mimics Covid. Your body then attacks this protein and theoretically learns to attack the real virus in the future. They claim the synthetic mRNA will only be in the body for a short time and has no lasting impact. Some studies have shown this mRNA does persist and can make its way to the heart. Your body may also detect that these hijacked cells appear foreign, causing your immune system to destroy them. That's not a big deal for deltoid muscle cells but is a pretty big deal for brain or heart cells.

The J&J shot uses a genetically modified adenovirus that is not supposed to be able to replicate but does inject viral DNA into your cells. This programs your cells to produce the mRNA to instruct organelles to produce the spike protein. After that it's pretty much the same concept as the other vaccines.

All of these new vaccines manipulate your cells to unnaturally produce a foreign protein. Forcing your cells to behave unnaturally could have adverse effects that are not fully understood.

The Novavax may be a good approach. They use the same concept but they manipulate the cells in a moth and have it produce the protein. Then they collect that protein somehow and inject it into people. So the human cells are not altered in any way, humans only get exposed to the protein that was produced by the moth.

They could have developed a Covid vaccine like they do for the flu. It would have some risk but acceptable, like there is with the flu. I believed they forced this spike protein generation approach so they could do large scale experimentation with their new toy.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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For all those who got vaccinated to "keep their job"

It would have been real interesting if everyone who didn't want the shot would have just refused to get it.

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I kind of expected more resistance at my company, but even my conservative colleagues were like "meh, it is what it is". Screw the experimental nature of the vaccine itself, I couldn't believe there was no uproar that they were threatening to terminate us for simply making our own medical decisions.

I faked a vaccine card and do not regret it. I had a newborn at the time, otherwise, I might have just quit or told them to p*ss off and take my chances. Wife and I discussed and decided forgery was the best approach.

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Huge props

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EUA therapeutic was never a vaccine nor intended to be.

I am 66 years old and work in healthcare and was "forced" to take the J&J vax in May of 2020. Never stayed home and never missed a day of work throughout the plandemic and if I had it to do over again, I would have told them to shove it.

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As someone who got the Delta variant and ended up in the hospital with double pneumonia, and as someone who is healthy and exercises 6+ days a week, while I do agree that those who are obese need to make changes to ensure they don't put themselves at risk, the entire point of this thread IS to look back and say whether you regret getting the vax. Knowing what we know now, the vax didn't change anything and has actually put the vaxxed in more danger now and potentially worse in the future.

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Which is why I suggested I thought it might be more interesting to rephrase the question because regret without action, in my opinion, indicates the regret isn't as sincere as you think it is.

Maybe you're just telling me to start my own thread.

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In a nutshell, I guess I did.

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I believed they forced this spike protein generation approach so they could do large scale experimentation with their new toy.

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This ! ! ! They had been working with mRNA for over 2 decades and could never get out of the lab or past animal studies. Apparently mRNA is one of those hugely promising techs that they can not seem to get to work like cold fusion and alchemy.

They also made a fantastic amount of money by creating a massive panic and then ramming the vax down everyone's throats while blocking any other treatments such as Ivermectin.

I did not get the shot and I'm glad I didn't. Husband didn't either. Thankfully it never came down to possibly losing my job over it, but it came close. My old employer held out on mandating it, even as they were moving pieces in place "just in case".

For new employer, they required it but I was able to get an exemption.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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For all those who got vaccinated to "keep their job"

It would have been real interesting if everyone who didn't want the shot would have just refused to get it.

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I kind of expected more resistance at my company, but even my conservative colleagues were like "meh, it is what it is". Screw the experimental nature of the vaccine itself, I couldn't believe there was no uproar that they were threatening to terminate us for simply making our own medical decisions.

I faked a vaccine card and do not regret it. I had a newborn at the time, otherwise, I might have just quit or told them to p*ss off and take my chances. Wife and I discussed and decided forgery was the best approach.

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My conservative company in a conservative state with gun totin' freedom lovin' rednecks had a LOT of people walking around with special stickers on their badges indicating they had been vaxxxed. I got to stay locked in my office with the door closed, conference calling into meetings literally 2 doors down, until the SCOTUS ruled OSHA couldn't force the vax. It was nice because my pointy headed boss was terrified of covid and didn't come in contact with me for that entire time.

Wife and I were fit and focused on our health. My position as the vax was released was simply, we're not at risk bc we take care of ourselves so we'll wait and see. Wait and see if it works as they say it does. Wait and see how people react to it. If it seems fine we may get it later.

A friend of mines wife really wanted it and got it in Feb 2021. 6 days later she had a stroke. She was a very healthy person. April 2021 I believe it was. Spring Training for the Yankees and 25 of 40 of their roster came down with Covid. All were vaxxed. It was fairly easy to do the mental math and know that was far less than 94% effective at not getting covid. I was reading and listening to everything I could find thru the whole thing but That pretty much sealed it. My family would not be getting it.

My job tried to mandate it and I told them to eh could fire me. My wife's company made those that didn't get the vax wear masks. We both quit and found better employment. It was scary but I'm not being bullied. We talked about selling everything and buying a van and living on public land with our kid and dog for as long as we needed but we figured it out before that.

I'm not virtue signaling. I don't care what you did. It was your decision. I just believe that you should stand by your convictions at all costs and have confidence that in the end you're going to be ok.

How has my thinking changed since Covid? I was a very trusting person, believing most people in government wanted to do right by people. I believed in our medical community and trusted my doctors. The only reason I had reservations was bc it was rushed and the was new and we were fit enough to wait.. now, I don't trust anything the government or doctors say. Show me the info, I'll look into it and make my own decision.

Yeah, I'd get again. Odds are nothing ever comes of it. In the scale of bad things I've put into my body, it's probably somewhere in the middle.

Did not get one of the original shots. Did get the Novavax because my daughter-in-law insisted in order to see our first grandbaby.

Would not do it now. Feel stupid for giving in to extortion.

At least we didn't get the MRNA one.

Yes. IMHO the health concerns over the jab are represent a really tiny percentage based on how many people have gotten jabbed. Setting up for an excellent false equivalency, ****ty foods and diet are killing more people than the jab.