assassination attempt on Slovakian PM ?

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Rapier108 said:

So before there is a single bit of information, F16 has already concluded it was a hit by NATO and/or the WHO.

The motto of F16, and most on the political right should be "never look for the truth when a conspiracy will do."

There used to be a time when looking for the truth was seen as a good thing. Now what most people want to hear is whatever fits their preconceived beliefs and everyone else is automatically dismissed.
Man, you goaltend some weird stuff.

So when you go looking for the truth in this assassination attempt, what's your criteria for sorting wheat from chaff? What are potential motivating factors for the would-be assassin? I'm genuinely curious what your take on this is.
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Rapier108 said:

So before there is a single bit of information, F16 has already concluded it was a hit by NATO and/or the WHO.

The motto of F16, and most on the political right should be "never look for the truth when a conspiracy will do."

There used to be a time when looking for the truth was seen as a good thing. Now what most people want to hear is whatever fits their preconceived beliefs and everyone else is automatically dismissed.
First off... I could not continue to lurk and not respond on this one.... Yes... it is I... formerly TEP.

Rapier - on one hand, you are right to say people should not immediately jump to conspiracy talk. On the other... what we have seen at the highest levels of government and international organizations has essentially brought every everything we see into question.

Just the other day, George Stephanopoulos admitted there is a "Deep State"..... but he said it is essentially full of "good and virtuous" people.......

Why is it that so many conspiracy theories turn out to be true? Even the ones from the likes of Alex Jones.... who correctly predicted 9/11 months before it happened, who was right about the "frogs turning gay" (a moniker for increased sexual dimorphism in fish/amphibians in our water systems, who was right about baby parts from abortions being sold and used for research, and much more. That is all stuff I once thought was CRAP. Now me and everyone else who thought it was crap have egg on our faces.

Given the distrust sown by the actions of our own government, the UN, the EU, NATO, the WHO, the WEF, Open Society Foundation, and others..... governmental or international conspiracies must be at least not ruled out when something of this geo-political magnitude occurs.

For now, it seems to be a Far Left/Socialist who was angry about Fico's governmental policies. Of course.... the facts around the suspect's political leanings will be quickly forgotten by the CIA controlled/and or influenced mainstream media in 3...2...1....
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We already have prominent German left wing media victim blaming Fico........

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TheRealTom on X: "Das ist selbst fr das ehemalige Nachrichtenmagazin @derspiegel auergewöhnlich widerwrtig, wenige Stunden nach dem Mordanschlag zu suggerieren, das Opfer sei selbst schuld gewesen. https://t.co/2r4pgJ7rqy" / X (twitter.com)

"Das ist selbst fr das ehemalige Nachrichtenmagazin

@derspiegel
auergewöhnlich widerwrtig, wenige Stunden nach dem Mordanschlag zu suggerieren, das Opfer sei selbst schuld gewesen."

Translated from German by[url=https://translate.google.com/][/url]
"It is extraordinarily disgusting, even for the former news magazine
@derspiegel
, to suggest just a few hours after the assassination attempt that the victim himself was to blame."

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TheEternalOptimist said:

We already have prominent German left wing media victim blaming Fico........

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TheRealTom on X: "Das ist selbst fr das ehemalige Nachrichtenmagazin @derspiegel auergewöhnlich widerwrtig, wenige Stunden nach dem Mordanschlag zu suggerieren, das Opfer sei selbst schuld gewesen. https://t.co/2r4pgJ7rqy" / X (twitter.com)

"Das ist selbst fr das ehemalige Nachrichtenmagazin

@derspiegel
auergewöhnlich widerwrtig, wenige Stunden nach dem Mordanschlag zu suggerieren, das Opfer sei selbst schuld gewesen."

Translated from German by[url=https://translate.google.com/][/url]
"It is extraordinarily disgusting, even for the former news magazine
@derspiegel
, to suggest just a few hours after the assassination attempt that the victim himself was to blame."

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Am I missing something from that translation?

The victim, the one who was shot, it'd be ridiculous to blame him.
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TAMUallen said:

TheEternalOptimist said:

We already have prominent German left wing media victim blaming Fico........

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TheRealTom on X: "Das ist selbst fr das ehemalige Nachrichtenmagazin @derspiegel auergewöhnlich widerwrtig, wenige Stunden nach dem Mordanschlag zu suggerieren, das Opfer sei selbst schuld gewesen. https://t.co/2r4pgJ7rqy" / X (twitter.com)

"Das ist selbst fr das ehemalige Nachrichtenmagazin

@derspiegel
auergewöhnlich widerwrtig, wenige Stunden nach dem Mordanschlag zu suggerieren, das Opfer sei selbst schuld gewesen."

Translated from German by[url=https://translate.google.com/][/url]
"It is extraordinarily disgusting, even for the former news magazine
@derspiegel
, to suggest just a few hours after the assassination attempt that the victim himself was to blame."

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Am I missing something from that translation?

The victim, the one who was shot, it'd be ridiculous to blame him.
Essentially, Der Spiegel, is a flaming pile of leftist establishment garbage.

They loathe Fico, Orban, Wilders, Le Pen, Farage, and any Euroskeptic or those who oppose supporting Ukraine with money and/or weapons.

They have issued a semi-retraction in that Twitter chain as well now. But... as noted... internet is forever.
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" For now, it seems to be a Far Left/Socialist who was angry about Fico's governmental policies. Of course.... the facts around the suspect's political leanings will be quickly forgotten by the CIA controlled/and or influenced mainstream media in 3...2...1...."

From what I'm seeing this guy has some kind of association with a paramilitary group (Slovak Branci) that has been known to work with pro-Russian paramilitary groups like the Night Wolves.
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MiamiHopper said:

" For now, it seems to be a Far Left/Socialist who was angry about Fico's governmental policies. Of course.... the facts around the suspect's political leanings will be quickly forgotten by the CIA controlled/and or influenced mainstream media in 3...2...1...."

From what I'm seeing this guy has some kind of association with a paramilitary group (Slovak Branci) that has been known to work with pro-Russian paramilitary groups like the Night Wolves.
From: Breitbart

"Slovak media reports is a 71 year old man from Levice, a historic town 50 miles to the south of where the attack took place. Dennk N reports the alleged attacker is a poet and "member of the leftist Rainbow Literary Club".

Right-wing publication Konzervatvny dennk Postoj ('The Conservative Daily Post') claims to be able to name the suspect as Slovakian author, poet, and activist Juraj Cintula. According to the publication he has published three collections of poetry and is a member of the Association of Slovak writers. He has publicly expressed himself against violence, and eight years ago said he was founding an organisation called Left Against Violence."


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The shooter is a leftist. It's not even being reasonably disputed.
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It was only a matter of time until some sort of Putin connection was claimed in the media. Next the shooter will have been found to have owned a suspicious red baseball cap at some point, and likely to have been 'transphobic.'
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Rapier108 said:

So before there is a single bit of information, F16 has already concluded it was a hit by NATO and/or the WHO.

The motto of F16, and most on the political right should be "never look for the truth when a conspiracy will do."

There used to be a time when looking for the truth was seen as a good thing. Now what most people want to hear is whatever fits their preconceived beliefs and everyone else is automatically dismissed.


Going back to the beginning…. There was plenty of information:

An attempted assassination occurred
The target was the Slovakian Prime Minister
He opposes aiding Ukraine both materially and in terms of NATO membership
Etc, etc

One could argue that there was a rush to judgment (there always is, really); but to say it wasn't based on anything is… well… dumb.
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Almost all of the mass shootings in the USA have come from leftist and gangs, now we have another mass shooting done by a liberal that "is against violence". It is sad that so many people are so easily manipulated but that is all part of the plan
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TTUArmy said:

Fico is a populist. Trump is a populist. Ergo, Fico now operates rent free, one office over from Trump, in 108's headspace.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

Rapier108 said:

So before there is a single bit of information, F16 has already concluded it was a hit by NATO and/or the WHO.

The motto of F16, and most on the political right should be "never look for the truth when a conspiracy will do."

There used to be a time when looking for the truth was seen as a good thing. Now what most people want to hear is whatever fits their preconceived beliefs and everyone else is automatically dismissed.
First off... I could not continue to lurk and not respond on this one.... Yes... it is I... formerly TEP.

Rapier - on one hand, you are right to say people should not immediately jump to conspiracy talk. On the other... what we have seen at the highest levels of government and international organizations has essentially brought every everything we see into question.

Just the other day, George Stephanopoulos admitted there is a "Deep State"..... but he said it is essentially full of "good and virtuous" people.......

Why is it that so many conspiracy theories turn out to be true? Even the ones from the likes of Alex Jones.... who correctly predicted 9/11 months before it happened, who was right about the "frogs turning gay" (a moniker for increased sexual dimorphism in fish/amphibians in our water systems, who was right about baby parts from abortions being sold and used for research, and much more. That is all stuff I once thought was CRAP. Now me and everyone else who thought it was crap have egg on our faces.

Given the distrust sown by the actions of our own government, the UN, the EU, NATO, the WHO, the WEF, Open Society Foundation, and others..... governmental or international conspiracies must be at least not ruled out when something of this geo-political magnitude occurs.

For now, it seems to be a Far Left/Socialist who was angry about Fico's governmental policies. Of course.... the facts around the suspect's political leanings will be quickly forgotten by the CIA controlled/and or influenced mainstream media in 3...2...1....
Yes, he may be a left wing nut, but how vocal was he and was he a likely candidate to be manipulated, and if so, by whom was he manipulated. Not saying he was, but he already sounding like an alphabet's wet dream. That, we'll probably never find out, they won't broadcast it and claim ownership, they never do. These things just get memory holed.
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Rapier108 said:

So before there is a single bit of information, F16 has already concluded it was a hit by NATO and/or the WHO.

The motto of F16, and most on the political right should be "never look for the truth when a conspiracy will do."

There used to be a time when looking for the truth was seen as a good thing. Now what most people want to hear is whatever fits their preconceived beliefs and everyone else is automatically dismissed.


The CIA would NEVER assassinate a president that got in the way of them being able to fund and enrich themselves through illegal wars and black book ops.

Or sooooo JFK told me once.
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Expected to survive, although consider the source has been wrong on things in the past:

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IndividualFreedom said:

This is 100% tied to our tax dollars and the amount being given. People are getting rich AF and this fella was in the way of it.

He messed with Russia one too many times. He should have been more supportive of the kremlin.
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Informed writers are connecting the dots.
Quote:

Quote:

Who wanted to kill Slovak Prime Minister Ficho?

These are some characteristics about him:
- He is against the war in Ukraine and is in favor of negotiations.
- He stopped the delivery of weapons to Ukraine.
- He called the regime in Ukraine a Nazi regime.
- He announced a veto for Ukraine to join the EU and NATO.
- He opposed the globalists in Washington.

It is more than clear that the CIA and the Ukrainian regime have crossed the red line in Europe for the second time after blowing up the Nord Stream gas pipeline.
10:05 AM May 15, 2024
At the same time, the Daily Mail ran a piece by David Averre, unrelated to the assassination attempt, arguing that Europe is hurtling towards war.
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Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 saw the horrors of a large-scale war darken Europe's doorstep for the first time since the end of World War II.

For a short while, hope endured that a swift resolution to the conflict would materialise, but before long the prospect of a speedy diplomatic solution lay in tatters as Moscow's drones and missiles continued to batter Ukraine's cities.

Now more than two years into the conflict, Vladimir Putin has doubled down.

His forces have made noticeable gains on the frontlines in recent weeks as they pressure war-weary and ammo-starved Ukrainian defenders, and his decision to appoint civilian economist Andrei Belousov as defence minister suggests the Kremlin is committed to sustaining its war economy over the long run.

Meanwhile, the president's long-serving and intensely loyal foreign minister Sergei Lavrov earlier this week challenged what Russia calls the 'collective West', declaring Moscow's troops are ready to meet NATO on the battlefield.
Which again supports what Goldman was saying. The attempt to take out Fico by either pro-Ukraine or pro-globalist forces, then, could be a scenario worth watching, given that so much is at stake and they've all played dirty in the past. This one may well be something that goes beyond local politics and could be well worth watching.
More at the links, as they say.
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IndividualFreedom said:

This is 100% tied to our tax dollars and the amount being given. People are getting rich AF and this fella was in the way of it.


So, it's not a politically motivated assassination attempt, but a financially motivated one?

I can see that. Bet you'll never hear the media call it so. And why would THAT be?


Kinda like when someone says, "Rattlesnake tastes like chicken. Well, a lot of things taste like chicken, but you don't hear anyone ever say _______ tastes like rattlesnake, do you?
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IndividualFreedom said:

So I am guessing the NATO vote must be unanimous?

Making Ukraine a part of NATO would mean nuclear war. At least that is what my dumb foreign affairs brain is thinking.
*yawn*
Letting Poland in meant nuclear war. Letting Czechoslovakia in meant nuclear war. Letting the Baltics in meant nuclear war…….
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Letting Ukraine in means they have to only purchase NATO weapon systems and they get more USA money. Connect the dots
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Looks like the night shift staph has eliminated numerous comments from yesterday. Oh well, when referring to posts on this thread......

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LOL!!
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NOT letting Ukraine in increases the chance of nuclear war.

If we reward Russia every time they threaten nuclear war, then they will continue to do so. They would only consider actually nuking somebody if they think the response will be weak. And by us bowing to them every time they talk tough espouses weakness.
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No clue about the validity of this source, but that hardly matters these days and it's funny given the thread thus far:

https://www.jurist.org/news/2024/05/slovak-officials-say-attempted-assassination-of-pm-fico-motivated-by-reduced-ukraine-aid-other-policy-squabbles/

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[url=https://www.jurist.org/news/2024/05/slovak-officials-say-attempted-assassination-of-pm-fico-motivated-by-reduced-ukraine-aid-other-policy-squabbles/#]Slovak officials say attempted assassination of PM Fico motivated by reduced Ukraine aid, other policy squabbles

The alleged gunman implicated in the recent attack on Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico has been formally charged with attempted premeditated murder, high-ranking officials said during a press conference on Thursday, during which they also described the attack as politically motivated.

Interior Minister Matus Sutaj Estok described the attacker as a "lone wolf" and said he was "radicalized" after the country's latest presidential elections. The country's political landscape was transformed last October by the populist prime minister's return to power. Fico campaigned with an emphasis on reducing military aid to Ukraine, and has since implemented a range of controversial policies. In staging the attack, Sutaj Estok said, the suspect was motivated by his opposition to several such policies, including the dissolution of Slovakia's Special Prosecutor's Office, reduced aid to Ukraine, the overhaul of state TV and radio broadcasters, and the ouster of a high-ranking judiciary official.
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Tagline for the site:
"JURISTnews law students reporting the rule of law in crisis"

Chuckle, why not.
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Single gunman.
No night club owner has shot the shooter.
Nothing to see here.
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RGLAG85 said:

TheEternalOptimist said:

Rapier108 said:

So before there is a single bit of information, F16 has already concluded it was a hit by NATO and/or the WHO.

The motto of F16, and most on the political right should be "never look for the truth when a conspiracy will do."

There used to be a time when looking for the truth was seen as a good thing. Now what most people want to hear is whatever fits their preconceived beliefs and everyone else is automatically dismissed.
First off... I could not continue to lurk and not respond on this one.... Yes... it is I... formerly TEP.

Rapier - on one hand, you are right to say people should not immediately jump to conspiracy talk. On the other... what we have seen at the highest levels of government and international organizations has essentially brought every everything we see into question.

Just the other day, George Stephanopoulos admitted there is a "Deep State"..... but he said it is essentially full of "good and virtuous" people.......

Why is it that so many conspiracy theories turn out to be true? Even the ones from the likes of Alex Jones.... who correctly predicted 9/11 months before it happened, who was right about the "frogs turning gay" (a moniker for increased sexual dimorphism in fish/amphibians in our water systems, who was right about baby parts from abortions being sold and used for research, and much more. That is all stuff I once thought was CRAP. Now me and everyone else who thought it was crap have egg on our faces.

Given the distrust sown by the actions of our own government, the UN, the EU, NATO, the WHO, the WEF, Open Society Foundation, and others..... governmental or international conspiracies must be at least not ruled out when something of this geo-political magnitude occurs.

For now, it seems to be a Far Left/Socialist who was angry about Fico's governmental policies. Of course.... the facts around the suspect's political leanings will be quickly forgotten by the CIA controlled/and or influenced mainstream media in 3...2...1....
Yes, he may be a left wing nut, but how vocal was he and was he a likely candidate to be manipulated, and if so, by whom was he manipulated. Not saying he was, but he already sounding like an alphabet's wet dream. That, we'll probably never find out, they won't broadcast it and claim ownership, they never do. These things just get memory holed.


Ummmmmmm... Hate to break it to you, but Fico's party is a Communist offshoot and somewhere left of Democratic Socialists on many issues. They're very anti-American and European and decidedly pro-Russian. They've called for "understanding" with non-democratic countries, meaning China, and Fico himself once made a state visit to Gaddafi to talk about fighting world imperialism. The only "right wing" thing about Fico and his party, Smer, is their Slovak ethnic nationalism. If anyone here is "Far Left/socialist" it's Fico.

Part of this guy's motivation was Fico dissolving the special prosecutor's office, which had indicted and successfully prosecuted many Smer members and candidates over the last couple decades. They just recently charged another with overpaying a law firm he previously ran and had ties to.

Fico isn't some conservative hero or martyr. He's more like a mix of Trump's social policy with Biden's economic policy and corruption, and this guy was not a "Far Left/socialist," he just really didn't want a return to anything resembling communism.
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txwxman said:

IndividualFreedom said:

This is 100% tied to our tax dollars and the amount being given. People are getting rich AF and this fella was in the way of it.

He messed with Russia one too many times. He should have been more supportive of the kremlin NATO
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Fico was advocating for de-escalation and an end to the fighting. Advocating to kill the Golden Goose, in other words.

Regarding the shooter, an honest accounting would look into his personal finances. If someone is wondering how a poet is pushed to the point of attempting assassination, look for the weak points and apply pressure.
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Hey, y'all are all wrong!

ABC News just said the shooter was a "lone wolf that was just recently radicalized". Just some random guy who was mad.

So nothing to see here. Move on.

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Good summary of how Slovakia is a key piece in the Ukrainian energy war


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As soon as I saw the headline, my first thought was how would this benefit the left?
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aTmAg said:

NOT letting Ukraine in increases the chance of nuclear war.

If we reward Russia every time they threaten nuclear war, then they will continue to do so. They would only consider actually nuking somebody if they think the response will be weak. And by us bowing to them every time they talk tough espouses weakness.


This is a good post. There are too many people scared of Russia's continual game of chicken to get what they want. They can't even beat Ukraine. They aren't going to do *****
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

aTmAg said:

NOT letting Ukraine in increases the chance of nuclear war.

If we reward Russia every time they threaten nuclear war, then they will continue to do so. They would only consider actually nuking somebody if they think the response will be weak. And by us bowing to them every time they talk tough espouses weakness.


This is a good post. There are too many people scared of Russia's continual game of chicken to get what they want. They can't even beat Ukraine. They aren't going to do *****
Russia is doing to us now (nearly exactly) what we did to them in the 80's. They were beyond broke as the Soviet Union after our closer (Reagan) finished them off financially via the decades long Cold War (where nuclear saber rattling was the norm). They broke up, and now Russia is what's left as the 3rd super-power.

See the parallels yet?

Russia could win this war w/Ukraine by June if they wanted to, but they don't want to. They're kicking back with China smoking cigars and downing Stoli shots watching dumbass DC fools spend $1,000,000,000,000 every 100 days on our way to a dismantling as a country. Russia's economy is also roaring, whereas ours is already in the tank.

Sad, but true.
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peacedude said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

aTmAg said:

NOT letting Ukraine in increases the chance of nuclear war.

If we reward Russia every time they threaten nuclear war, then they will continue to do so. They would only consider actually nuking somebody if they think the response will be weak. And by us bowing to them every time they talk tough espouses weakness.


This is a good post. There are too many people scared of Russia's continual game of chicken to get what they want. They can't even beat Ukraine. They aren't going to do *****
Russia is doing to us now (nearly exactly) what we did to them in the 80's. They were beyond broke as the Soviet Union after our closer (Reagan) finished them off financially via the decades long Cold War (where nuclear saber rattling was the norm). They broke up, and now Russia is what's left as the 3rd super-power.

See the parallels yet?

Russia could win this war w/Ukraine by June if they wanted to, but they don't want to. They're kicking back with China smoking cigars and downing Stoli shots watching dumbass DC fools spend $1,000,000,000,000 every 100 days on our way to a dismantling as a country. Russia's economy is also roaring, whereas ours is already in the tank.

Sad, but true.


I disagree. They are throwing an entire generation into their meat grinder, have exposed their military as 45 years behind the curve, and are burning through cash just as fast. They are somewhere between 350-500k casualties from this. They either have to dominate Europe now or choose to be a vassal state of Europe or China in the next 10 years.


China is certainly doing that to us though.
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We'll agree to disagree, then.

But I have a quick question: If they're 45 years behind us militarily, how can they produce artillery shells at a rate close to 30:1 the rate that we can, plus, they have two operational hypersonic missiles to our none (if we have one that actually works, we'd have already sent it to Ukraine)?
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Quote:

(if we have one that actually works, we'd have already sent it to Ukraine)?


Based on what? You sound like you need to get better informed about what we have and haven't sent
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