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H1B visas are trash. Frisco might as well be a colony of India at this point.

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McKinney is even worst - desi marts on every corner

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On the other hand, there have been times when the only workers I could get to accept our salary offers were H1-B Visa holders.

That has changed somewhat in recent times. I'm guessing the market for software developers has finally reached saturation.

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Maybe you should consider moving your operations overseas. H1B is a sham the way it is being utilized.

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Shoot for every visa guy here there are also legions of very low paid homeboys back home to cover as support as well. However, unless you are in the industry - nobody here in the US cares about IT woes.

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H1B visas are trash. Frisco might as well be a colony of India at this point.

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Cedar Park and Leander are as well

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I (white dude) have been a minority in my town for +30 years. About half of the people are from East and South Asia. Most of them are first gen. My town is bad ass. The food is great. The people are great. Our schools are the best in the area. Violent crime is basically nonexistent. (Property crime rate is high high high because we're adjacent to bad neighborhoods in LA).

The west is depopulating. We need to figure out how to incentivize natural born citizens to have more kids…or create more areas like Frisco (and my town, Cerritos).

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I'd always wondered. Thanks for sharing that.

Got a couple of Filipino friends in Cerritos and I've been to a few restaurants there. Good town.

If women earned 82% of men for the "same work", we'd see this same phenomenon with them.

But we don't. Because they don't.

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In the industry? You are retired living the good life so you aren't in the industry anymore. Well unless you weren't being truthful about being retired.

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He also worked at Kroger AND Albertsons in his past.

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About 15 years ago, I worked at a very famous fintech co. Almost everyone who invests has heard of it. I applied to an internal position and emailed HR asking for who the hiring manager was. I got an email back saying not to bother, it was not a real job, it was a listing posted "for immigration purposes". I should have kept the email and forwarded it to the DoJ. I am sure she was a rookie HR girl who didn't know this shouldn't be revealed.

This is what companies, even famous ones do in the US to get slaves. This is a public company listed.

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When I worked as an Engineer for the State of Texas in the mid-1990s, they were doing fake job postings for the African guys. Job postings that were open for 7 days.

We had a number of guys from Nigeria, Ghana, etc.

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H1B visas are trash. Frisco might as well be a colony of India at this point.

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McKinney is even worst - desi marts on every corner

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I was up in Frisco a few weeks ago to watch a game at COSM and as I was driving back to my hotel late at night, I saw a couple of Indian men walking down the road carrying plastic shopping bags.

I thought, It's just like home (for them).

I do want to check out that "Desi Bites" restaurant and see what Indian fast food looks like.

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The additional point to consider about H1Bs is that because they are so desperate for sponsorship, they are willing to put up with way more workplace abuse than Americans who have the leverage of leaving because of their citizenship. H1Bs will say and do anything to keep their job making it much more like indentured servitude. This makes it hard for Americans to fight for better workplaces and higher wages in addition to the quality of everything most H1Bs work on being total ****e.

Also want to confirm what others have said, there are some Indians who are amazingly smart and great to work with. I'm happy to have them in our country. In addition to being the most intelligent, they are also the most humble in honing their skills which is not a common trait amongst Indians, especially men, imo.

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This is correct. I have seen many people complain about this but little they can do.

H1B is a legal slavery system. It must go.

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You're not far off. The Americans who sponsor those that help bring over here to work openly threaten the workers will getting them sent back if they don't do what they say, even if they're not their employer.

I've heard this from various workers in a few cities across Texas. It really does need to go or get seriously reformed.

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infinity ag said:

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On the other hand, there have been times when the only workers I could get to accept our salary offers were H1-B Visa holders.

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That is because you wanted to pay peanuts. So you ended up with H1B monkeys.

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Also H1B are normally minorities that fill DEI metrics

Even though they are from countries where they are the majority


Clown world

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H1B is not for DEI reasons. Hiring white/latina/black women and LGBTQABCDE types is for DEI.

H1B is purely for slave labor and to pump up profits to make huge bonuses for the execs at the cost of American citizens. The same execs will beg the US tax payer for bailouts when they have sucked the company dry.

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In the industry? You are retired living the good life so you aren't in the industry anymore. Well unless you weren't being truthful about being retired.

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He also worked at Kroger AND Albertsons in his past.

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Albertson's while in College Stn as a student. The one on University Drive (which moved). Doing menial jobs making lolpoor wages I made about $5.xx/hr. Good experience and quite humbling. My first paid job so I am sentimental about Albertson's. I still have my work shirt and badge from those days.

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The additional point to consider about H1Bs is that because they are so desperate for sponsorship, they are willing to put up with way more workplace abuse than Americans who have the leverage of leaving because of their citizenship. H1Bs will say and do anything to keep their job making it much more like indentured servitude. This makes it hard for Americans to fight for better workplaces and higher wages in addition to the quality of everything most H1Bs work on being total ****e.

Also want to confirm what others have said, there are some Indians who are amazingly smart and great to work with. I'm happy to have them in our country. In addition to being the most intelligent, they are also the most humble in honing their skills which is not a common trait amongst Indians, especially men, imo.

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This is correct. I have seen many people complain about this but little they can do.

H1B is a legal slavery system. It must go.

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You're not far off. The Americans who sponsor those that help bring over here to work openly threaten the workers will getting them sent back if they don't do what they say, even if they're not their employer.

I've heard this from various workers in a few cities across Texas. It really does need to go or get seriously reformed.

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Bro, I have been in the industry for 25+ years. I have seen it all. This whole thing is a scam that no one wants to touch because there is too much money to be made.

Now I am on the other side and I benefit from this scam (though my investments). But it it still wrong and US citizens like my kids will pay the price.

There are far too many naive Americans, you see many on this board too peddling the same old "free market" notions which they are being fed. They don't even realize they are getting ripped off. So brainwashed, just like Muslims in poor countries like Afghanistan. Islam has caused so much destruction but they still swear by it and want "more islam".

Sad.

They are an IT consulting / systems integrator, and - like most in that space - the send IT work offshore. This isn't new at all in the space.

We have the same problem in Houston with the O&G companies using IT firms that outsource to India and bring Indians here by the plane loads, dont speak English and work as IT support, its awful and they dont know what they are doing.

Part of the issue is in education. Go try and hire a masters stem student at the A&M career fair and tell me how many US citizen resumes you get compared to others. I do this little experiment twice a year

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H1B visas are trash. Frisco might as well be a colony of India at this point.

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You should see North Austin/Suburbs.

They're putting in Indian markets in multiple spots, and play Bollywood movies at the local theatres. Pushpa 2 is currently out, if you're interested.

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Sugar Land has you both beat.

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They just built literally a record setting pagan statue in Sugarland. America is not full of magic dirt. Importing labor has its consequences.

How do CEOs reconcile making American workers go back to the office while offshoring all of their IT infrastructure, which is critical operations?

infinity ag said:

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Madagascar said:

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The additional point to consider about H1Bs is that because they are so desperate for sponsorship, they are willing to put up with way more workplace abuse than Americans who have the leverage of leaving because of their citizenship. H1Bs will say and do anything to keep their job making it much more like indentured servitude. This makes it hard for Americans to fight for better workplaces and higher wages in addition to the quality of everything most H1Bs work on being total ****e.

Also want to confirm what others have said, there are some Indians who are amazingly smart and great to work with. I'm happy to have them in our country. In addition to being the most intelligent, they are also the most humble in honing their skills which is not a common trait amongst Indians, especially men, imo.

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This is correct. I have seen many people complain about this but little they can do.

H1B is a legal slavery system. It must go.

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You're not far off. The Americans who sponsor those that help bring over here to work openly threaten the workers will getting them sent back if they don't do what they say, even if they're not their employer.

I've heard this from various workers in a few cities across Texas. It really does need to go or get seriously reformed.

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Bro, I have been in the industry for 25+ years. I have seen it all. This whole thing is a scam that no one wants to touch because there is too much money to be made.

Now I am on the other side and I benefit from this scam (though my investments). But it it still wrong and US citizens like my kids will pay the price.

There are far too many naive Americans, you see many on this board too peddling the same old "free market" notions which they are being fed. They don't even realize they are getting ripped off. So brainwashed, just like Muslims in poor countries like Afghanistan. Islam has caused so much destruction but they still swear by it and want "more islam".

Sad.

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That you are on the other side and benefitting from it, yet still admit it's a scam says alot about how bad it really is.

And respect for the admission of it being a scam.

Maybe the rule for a US job should be a MS/PhD from certain selected US universities? One loophole people may exploit is have their agents set up fake universities to print degrees for them. This scam is used by people from Hyderabd in India to come in as IT workers. Most of them do not have a degree at all.

Americans are a naive trusting lot who blindly believe what is fed to them. The world is quite a dirty place.

While this would not mean an automatic H1B visa, it makes you eligible to stand in line. No US degree from a curated list of schools, no H1B visa. Would cut down the scam by a lot.

Mr Trump, are you listening?

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Madagascar said:

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The additional point to consider about H1Bs is that because they are so desperate for sponsorship, they are willing to put up with way more workplace abuse than Americans who have the leverage of leaving because of their citizenship. H1Bs will say and do anything to keep their job making it much more like indentured servitude. This makes it hard for Americans to fight for better workplaces and higher wages in addition to the quality of everything most H1Bs work on being total ****e.

Also want to confirm what others have said, there are some Indians who are amazingly smart and great to work with. I'm happy to have them in our country. In addition to being the most intelligent, they are also the most humble in honing their skills which is not a common trait amongst Indians, especially men, imo.

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This is correct. I have seen many people complain about this but little they can do.

H1B is a legal slavery system. It must go.

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You're not far off. The Americans who sponsor those that help bring over here to work openly threaten the workers will getting them sent back if they don't do what they say, even if they're not their employer.

I've heard this from various workers in a few cities across Texas. It really does need to go or get seriously reformed.

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Bro, I have been in the industry for 25+ years. I have seen it all. This whole thing is a scam that no one wants to touch because there is too much money to be made.

Now I am on the other side and I benefit from this scam (though my investments). But it it still wrong and US citizens like my kids will pay the price.

There are far too many naive Americans, you see many on this board too peddling the same old "free market" notions which they are being fed. They don't even realize they are getting ripped off. So brainwashed, just like Muslims in poor countries like Afghanistan. Islam has caused so much destruction but they still swear by it and want "more islam".

Sad.

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That you are on the other side and benefitting from it, yet still admit it's a scam says alot about how bad it really is.

And respect for the admission of it being a scam.

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Bro, nothing I say here is false. Though I may spice it up a bit . A lot of folks take offense because it goes against their entrenched beliefs. We need to open our eyes. Brainwashing is hard to undo and such people are easy to manipulate because they don't think, they just believe.

Personally, I am taking a career break right now after working for 25 years in the IT industry, working on some certifications/skills and other stuff and will get back in the job market when Trump becomes President mid Jan or so.

How am I able to do it? Because I am a good investor and I do it myself. I really don't need to work any more at this point, but I plan to for maybe another 6-8 years just because I still got the itch. Technically, I am on the "other side" of the fence now where layoffs and cost cutting benefit me through dividends and increased stock prices. My interests are aligned with the scammy crooked execs. So why am I complaining? Because my kids and grandkids will suffer if we let this through.

Trump is a billionaire and at 78 can rest and relax. But he will take up the most stressful job. Why? Because he wants to change the system. He almost got killed, he did not give up.

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And respect for the admission of it being a scam.

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Bro, nothing I say here is false. Though I may spice it up a bit . A lot of folks take offense because it goes against their entrenched beliefs. We need to open our eyes. Brainwashing is hard to undo and such people are easy to manipulate because they don't think, they just believe.

Personally, I am taking a career break right now after working for 25 years in the IT industry, working on some certifications/skills and other stuff and will get back in the job market when Trump becomes President mid Jan or so.

How am I able to do it? Because I am a good investor and I do it myself. I really don't need to work any more at this point, but I plan to for maybe another 6-8 years just because I still got the itch. Technically, I am on the "other side" of the fence now where layoffs and cost cutting benefit me through dividends and increased stock prices. My interests are aligned with the scammy crooked execs. So why am I complaining? Because my kids and grandkids will suffer if we let this through.

Trump is a billionaire and at 78 can rest and relax. But he will take up the most stressful job. Why? Because he wants to change the system. He almost got killed, he did not give up.

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Unfortunately people believe we are a "nation of immigrants" even though this catchphrase was inserted long after the founding. Once the funny money runs out things are going to play out as they have historically. Gonna be difficult for many areas of this empire to remain western long term.

Employers have become quite good at writing up job requirements that would all but rule out American applicants and are amazingly in concordance with the exact qualifications of groomed overseas candidates from a set of overseas recruitment and development operations. It's almost as if this was prearranged to avoid the legal requirements while still barely technically remaining legal and is systematically ignored by any oversight.

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Employers have become quite good at writing up job requirements that would all but rule out American applicants and are amazingly in concordance with the exact qualifications of groomed overseas candidates from a set of overseas recruitment and development operations. It's almost as if this was prearranged to avoid the legal requirements while still barely technically remaining legal and is systematically ignored by any oversight.

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Our esteemed governor goes to India all the time to figure out how to bring in more H1B wageslaves. Nobody seems concerned with this.

First, I have been against H-1B for 25+ years.

That said, I have hired a few and rejected many for lack of skills I'm looking for (IT security). I've also interviewed a lot of Americans, and they just don't have the necessary skills I need. Anybody can learn the skills I look for, so I don't personally think it's specialized.

Also, I'm in consulting, and some clients want particular locations. They like India more than U.S. when only cost is the factor.

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We have the same problem in Houston with the O&G companies using IT firms that outsource to India and bring Indians here by the plane loads, dont speak English and work as IT support, its awful and they dont know what they are doing.

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Oh Sir, they do speak English.

One of the eye opening experiences for me was going to our big corporate office in Bangalore and listening to the work conversations in the office.

Of course some of them do speak Hindi to each other but much of the time they speak English to each other. It's just such a jacked up dialect that you can't understand a damn thing they're saying. Worse than a heavy Scottish accent.

One funny thing in Bollywood movies is when they throw in a few lines of English to emphasize a point.

There is a great example at the 20 second mark in this movie trailer (excellent movie by the way) for "Airlift" about getting Indian workers out of Kuwait after Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990.

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How do CEOs reconcile making American workers go back to the office while offshoring all of their IT infrastructure, which is critical operations?

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I think that's really more about long term contracts for office space.

My company for instance locked in a long-term lease for additional office space in the Bay Area back in 2018 or 2019.

During the scamdemic, that office space sat empty.

Now, even with reminders about free food at lunch, etc. they still can't get people - even Indians, to come back into the office.

Which reminds me, there are other visas besides H-1B that companies can use to bring people over. I was involved in a situation a year ago where we used an L-1 visa to bring a guy over.

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How do CEOs reconcile making American workers go back to the office while offshoring all of their IT infrastructure, which is critical operations?

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Easy, they don't.
Low level complains to middle management.
Middle management doesn't complain up because they want to be liked by executives because they want to be executives. Bringing problems isn't going to make that happen.

Next, low level complains to executives. Executive gives some long answer that promises nothing. Then executive forgets about it and moves on.

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First, I have been against H-1B for 25+ years.

That said, I have hired a few and rejected many for lack of skills I'm looking for (IT security). I've also interviewed a lot of Americans, and they just don't have the necessary skills I need. Anybody can learn the skills I look for, so I don't personally think it's specialized.

Also, I'm in consulting, and some clients want particular locations. They like India more than U.S. when only cost is the factor.

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I am not saying that you are wrong, but there are reasons.

1. If you can't find people with the necessary skills among all those CS grads, then you must be paying them peanuts. So they end up going elsewhere to be paid a fair wage, and you are left with the H1B monkeys who will dance to your tune at whatever you will pay them. "Can't fine Americans" is a load of bs that corps always use.

2. Companies have scammed the American people for decades leading Americans to move away from IT jobs as they think they will lose out to H1Bs anyway. So the pool is smaller than what it could have been.

Stop H1B. It will be short term pain but long term benefit for America and Americans.

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How do CEOs reconcile making American workers go back to the office while offshoring all of their IT infrastructure, which is critical operations?

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I think that's really more about long term contracts for office space.

My company for instance locked in a long-term lease for additional office space in the Bay Area back in 2018 or 2019.

During the scamdemic, that office space sat empty.

Now, even with reminders about free food at lunch, etc. they still can't get people - even Indians, to come back into the office.

Which reminds me, there are other visas besides H-1B that companies can use to bring people over. I was involved in a situation a year ago where we used an L-1 visa to bring a guy over.

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Okay.
But the long term lease is a fixed sunk cost. What about the variable cost to run the place like heating, cooling, electricity, janitor services etc? If a company has everyone in the office, then they would have to pay for those in addition to the lease they are stuck with. If people are in, they cannot sublease it to someone else. So it is better for them to NOT have people in the office.

So why do execs insist on it?

People these days work internationally in many situations. I used to come into the office to sit on video calls with people in many US cities and overseas. Not local.

I think it has to do with taxes and politicians squeezing their balls.

Pols and Execs have to scratch each other's backs. If everyone works from home, tax revenue suffers and the politician pays the price. So he calls up CEOs and asks for help. The CEO has to make the choice. He decides to take a hit on extra expense of having employees in the office, but is in the good books of the politicians. This translates into tax breaks, loans and other goodies on taxpayer dime.

Bottomline: Corp execs win, politicians win. US taxpayer lose.

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First, I have been against H-1B for 25+ years.

That said, I have hired a few and rejected many for lack of skills I'm looking for (IT security). I've also interviewed a lot of Americans, and they just don't have the necessary skills I need. Anybody can learn the skills I look for, so I don't personally think it's specialized.

Also, I'm in consulting, and some clients want particular locations. They like India more than U.S. when only cost is the factor.

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I am not saying that you are wrong, but there are reasons.

1. If you can't find people with the necessary skills among all those CS grads, then you must be paying them peanuts. So they end up going elsewhere to be paid a fair wage, and you are left with the H1B monkeys who will dance to your tune at whatever you will pay them. "Can't fine Americans" is a load of bs that corps always use.

2. Companies have scammed the American people for decades leading Americans to move away from IT jobs as they think they will lose out to H1Bs anyway. So the pool is smaller than what it could have been.

Stop H1B. It will be short term pain but long term benefit for America and Americans.

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Totally agree. I want the end of this program. I don't hire direct from college, due to the skill set. If they teach it in college, I'm not aware. Of course, if they taught it in college, I'd make use of it in some fashion.

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I am in the industry and have seen this scam played out over and over again by tech firms.
You want to operate in the US, you have to hire American workers. If not, go to India or China.
(I bet none of them will move to India or China, just like our liberals threatened with Trump won)

This has NOTHING to do with talent not available in the US. It has all to do with US companies wanting cheap labor and not wanting to help contribute to the US economy.

Trump should abolish H1B completely and institute a new program. For the next 3-4 years we don't need foreign workers at all. After that, pick only the best with stringent controls. Everyone and their moms and dads now come in as "IT workers". I have worked with idiots who called themselves "system administrators" and had never seen an admin console in their lives.


Insiders Tell How IT Giant Favored Indian H-1B Workers Over US Employees
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-cognizant-h1b-visas-discriminates-us-workers/

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By Eric Fan Coulter Jones Graphics by Kyle Kim December 9, 2024

Six months into her job, Latreecia Folkes had launched a new project and received a letter of praise from her supervisor. And then, she says, she was told to train her replacement on the project, a worker from India. She balked at that but was replaced anyway.
Over the next two years, Folkes said, she was repeatedly denied opportunities for advancement as a project manager at Cognizant Technology Solutions Corp., one of the world's largest information-technology outsourcing firms. She was offered chances to apply for roles that required her to relocate, but she couldn't because her mother was ill. Over time, her relationship with the company grew strained, and Folkes said she knows why.

"I definitely knew it was because of me being an American, not being Indian, and also because I was Black," she said in an interview. Folkes filed an internal discrimination complaint in 2017, three days before she was fired.

In October, a jury in a federal class-action lawsuit returned a verdict that found Cognizant intentionally discriminated against more than 2,000 non-Indian employees between 2013 and 2022. The verdict, which echoed a previously undisclosed finding from a 2020 US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission investigation, centered on discrimination claims based on race and national origin. Cognizant, based in Teaneck, New Jersey, was found to have preferred workers from India, most of whom joined the firm's US workforce of about 32,000 using skilled-worker visas called H-1Bs.

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The case is part of a wave of recent discrimination claims against IT outsourcing companies that underscore growing concerns that these firms have exploited a broken employment-visa system to secure a cheaper, more malleable workforce. In the process, US workers say they've been disadvantaged. The industry, which provides computer services to other companies, makes extensive use of H-1Bs; over the past decade and a half, no employer has obtained more of them than Cognizant, federal records show.
Cognizant spokesman Jeff DeMarrais said the company plans to appeal the verdict and disagrees with the EEOC finding. "Cognizant provides equal employment opportunities for all employees and does not tolerate discrimination in any form," he said. He also said the company has sought fewer new visas over the past several years and said any apparent disparities in its hiring stem from a shortage of US tech workers. "Like many consulting firms and other technology companies in the US, Cognizant utilizes the H-1B visa program to fill positions it cannot fill with available US workers," DeMarrais wrote in one of several emailed responses to questions from Bloomberg News.
Indeed, the H-1B program was designed to help US employers find specialized talent. But a decade's worth of records from the US Department of Labor shows that outsourcing companies, including Cognizant, have used the visas mostly to fill lower-level positions, such as IT system analysts and administrators. Fewer than 20% of the 6,400 visa holders Cognizant has sponsored since 2020 had a master's degree or higher, according to data from the US Citizenship and Immigration Services. At companies such as Amazon.com Inc., Apple Inc. and Meta Platforms Inc., that figure is about 60%.

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SAP/SAP Concur has stopped hiring ANY Operations, DBA's, Support personnel in the Americas or Europe. Its all Philippines, India, and Brazil hires now. But prior to that....they too were favoring H1Bs

OP with one of the worst takes of the month

I agree with the OP. These companies that claim they can't find enough qualified American citizens to fill their positions just want cheap labor. Incoming President Donald Trump should either abolish H-1B completely or overhaul it.

The US Immigration policy is in need of an overhaul, but we must allow the Border Patrol to stop people from crossing illegally first. A good starting point for the US Congress would be to crackdown on illegal employment. Economic opportunity is the main force driving migration. Therefore, since illegal employment is a magnet for illegal immigration, it only makes sense that the United States government must find ways to take that magnet away. We must continue to step up work site enforcement, which requires Congress to fund more law enforcement positions for ICE to actually investigate companies across the nation. But first and foremost, E-Verify needs to be mandatory.

The US does not need population growth. My parents are from Taiwan. I am for legal immigration, but not the current massive immigration levels. For several reasons, it's time for the US Congress to tame down immigration levels. Massive immigration causes traffic congestion, which would cause the quality of roads to decline faster. Also, the rapid increase has strained America's beleaguered schools, which literally don't have room for all these students. In addition, massive immigration would further tighten the supply of affordable housing for purchase or rent. Furthermore, there would be an increased demand for water, electricity, and other public services. Most importantly, there would be increased competition for jobs. Scaling back legal migration and cracking down on illegal immigration would ensure an improved quality of life for current US citizens.

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H1B visas are trash. Frisco might as well be a colony of India at this point.

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All of Collin county might as well be. Plano, Frisco, McKinney, prosper, Celina, Melissa etc. are being flooded with them… Good luck getting your kid in the top 10% lol.

You can spot them a mile away driving their Tesla's with their "student driver" stickers on them. They must have some sort of bit going with that like an insurance discount, or they think other drivers will be more cautious around them.

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I am in the industry and have seen this scam played out over and over again by tech firms.
You want to operate in the US, you have to hire American workers. If not, go to India or China.
(I bet none of them will move to India or China, just like our liberals threatened with Trump won)

This has NOTHING to do with talent not available in the US. It has all to do with US companies wanting cheap labor and not wanting to help contribute to the US economy.

Trump should abolish H1B completely and institute a new program. For the next 3-4 years we don't need foreign workers at all. After that, pick only the best with stringent controls. Everyone and their moms and dads now come in as "IT workers". I have worked with idiots who called themselves "system administrators" and had never seen an admin console in their lives.


Insiders Tell How IT Giant Favored Indian H-1B Workers Over US Employees
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-cognizant-h1b-visas-discriminates-us-workers/

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By Eric Fan Coulter Jones Graphics by Kyle Kim December 9, 2024

Six months into her job, Latreecia Folkes had launched a new project and received a letter of praise from her supervisor. And then, she says, she was told to train her replacement on the project, a worker from India. She balked at that but was replaced anyway.
Over the next two years, Folkes said, she was repeatedly denied opportunities for advancement as a project manager at Cognizant Technology Solutions Corp., one of the world's largest information-technology outsourcing firms. She was offered chances to apply for roles that required her to relocate, but she couldn't because her mother was ill. Over time, her relationship with the company grew strained, and Folkes said she knows why.

"I definitely knew it was because of me being an American, not being Indian, and also because I was Black," she said in an interview. Folkes filed an internal discrimination complaint in 2017, three days before she was fired.

In October, a jury in a federal class-action lawsuit returned a verdict that found Cognizant intentionally discriminated against more than 2,000 non-Indian employees between 2013 and 2022. The verdict, which echoed a previously undisclosed finding from a 2020 US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission investigation, centered on discrimination claims based on race and national origin. Cognizant, based in Teaneck, New Jersey, was found to have preferred workers from India, most of whom joined the firm's US workforce of about 32,000 using skilled-worker visas called H-1Bs.

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The case is part of a wave of recent discrimination claims against IT outsourcing companies that underscore growing concerns that these firms have exploited a broken employment-visa system to secure a cheaper, more malleable workforce. In the process, US workers say they've been disadvantaged. The industry, which provides computer services to other companies, makes extensive use of H-1Bs; over the past decade and a half, no employer has obtained more of them than Cognizant, federal records show.
Cognizant spokesman Jeff DeMarrais said the company plans to appeal the verdict and disagrees with the EEOC finding. "Cognizant provides equal employment opportunities for all employees and does not tolerate discrimination in any form," he said. He also said the company has sought fewer new visas over the past several years and said any apparent disparities in its hiring stem from a shortage of US tech workers. "Like many consulting firms and other technology companies in the US, Cognizant utilizes the H-1B visa program to fill positions it cannot fill with available US workers," DeMarrais wrote in one of several emailed responses to questions from Bloomberg News.
Indeed, the H-1B program was designed to help US employers find specialized talent. But a decade's worth of records from the US Department of Labor shows that outsourcing companies, including Cognizant, have used the visas mostly to fill lower-level positions, such as IT system analysts and administrators. Fewer than 20% of the 6,400 visa holders Cognizant has sponsored since 2020 had a master's degree or higher, according to data from the US Citizenship and Immigration Services. At companies such as Amazon.com Inc., Apple Inc. and Meta Platforms Inc., that figure is about 60%.

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SAP/SAP Concur has stopped hiring ANY Operations, DBA's, Support personnel in the Americas or Europe. Its all Philippines, India, and Brazil hires now. But prior to that....they too were favoring H1Bs

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Everyone should be part of nation building. That is the only way the country will survive. These corps want to hire overseas, but use the resources of this country in terms but not contribute to the local economy. You cannot just take take take and not give. Countries who are based in the US but hire overseas should be taxed higher. Life is all about give and take. Demand and supply. What good is a company to us in the USA if they make money and the country and its citizens make no benefit? If they want to move overseas, be my guest. Enjoy in Manila or Bangalore. I have not put a lot of thought into how and how much these companies should be penalized but unless it happens, they will continue to take all of us for a ride in the name of "free markets", "capitalism" and all the buzzwords that have brain-washed so many, including those on this board.

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I agree with the OP. These companies that claim they can't find enough qualified American citizens to fill their positions just want cheap labor. Incoming President Donald Trump should either abolish H-1B completely or overhaul it.

The US Immigration policy is in need of an overhaul, but we must allow the Border Patrol to stop people from crossing illegally first. A good starting point for the US Congress would be to crackdown on illegal employment. Economic opportunity is the main force driving migration. Therefore, since illegal employment is a magnet for illegal immigration, it only makes sense that the United States government must find ways to take that magnet away. We must continue to step up work site enforcement, which requires Congress to fund more law enforcement positions for ICE to actually investigate companies across the nation. But first and foremost, E-Verify needs to be mandatory.

The US does not need population growth. My parents are from Taiwan. I am for legal immigration, but not the current massive immigration levels. For several reasons, it's time for the US Congress to tame down immigration levels. Massive immigration causes traffic congestion, which would cause the quality of roads to decline faster. Also, the rapid increase has strained America's beleaguered schools, which literally don't have room for all these students. In addition, massive immigration would further tighten the supply of affordable housing for purchase or rent. Furthermore, there would be an increased demand for water, electricity, and other public services. Most importantly, there would be increased competition for jobs. Scaling back legal migration and cracking down on illegal immigration would ensure an improved quality of life for current US citizens.

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I agree with everything you say, great post.

The other problem I see in this country is the "white man's burden". Many here in the US think it is their job as white people to fix other people's problems. To spread democracy. To spread capitalism. There are some kooks who think it is their job to spread Christianity throughout the world. Doing it in foreign countries is one thing, but these people go overboard and want to host those people here in the US. That is when the problem begins.

I know many people from India. Middle class and rich people, they live in India, not the US. They all expect their kids to come to the US for an education AND work here in the US. And get this, they get angry when they do not get internships or jobs in the US. The arrogance astounds me. What makes these people think it is their right to jobs here being non-citizens? They are all angry, sad, pissed off that Trump won. Why? Because he is likely to deny visas.

Everyone in the world thinks the US has the obligation to educate and employ them. We ourselves are responsible for this sorry state. Our kids are finding it hard to find jobs even after getting degrees in top schools, but our corps are busy hiring in foreign countries and gaslighting Americans that "we cannot find enough talent in the USA". STFU. I hope Trump takes all these charlatans to task and sets the DoJ or whatever department on these scam artists.