Decay said:

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agracer said:

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Burdizzo said:

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

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The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.

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What would the Apostle Paul do?

What would John The Baptist do?

What would Jesus do?

Burdizzo said:

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Decay said:

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agracer said:

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Burdizzo said:

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

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The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.

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What would the Apostle Paul do?

What would John The Baptist do?

What would Jesus do?

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You mean get killed for doing the right thing? They would do that, yeah. More of us could do well to remember that example instead of pretending we're powerless against evil.

Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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agracer said:

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Burdizzo said:

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

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The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.

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Who exactly are you talking about? Priests are very often themselves the ones being politically targeted for persecution by their government. What a weird thing to blame the persecuted for enabling their own persecution.

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Specifically, when someone advocates for sending more people to the US and hiding behind their Faith instead of justifying their behavior. I understand there's countless examples of corruption and retribution and it's hard to speak up. But too many of them, if they are in fact trying to do the right thing, are very loudly doing very wrong things.

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Is there a particular priest from a particular diocese in South America you're thinking of? Is there a particular Church doctrine that calls for sending more people to the U.S. illegally?

Again, there are multiple countries in S. America whose governments actively persecute Catholics and Christians generally. And it seems like you're saying the persecuted are hiding behind their faith. What would you like to see from the priests who are being driven out of their countries?

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I don't even have to go to South America. San Antonio is full of very loud Catholic advocates for everything from getting involved in politics around "immigration reform" (which always ends up being "let them all in") to accepting money from NGOs, to physically sheltering illegals, to paying for housing. None of that is getting stuck between a rock and a hard place - it's blatant corruption in the guise of Ministry.

But why take my word for it, the USCCB is all over it. Visit justiceforimmigrants.org and see if they even mention the word "trafficking" or "drugs" because they sure seem to think it's much more important to talk about rights of immigrants being able to come to the US.

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Why not just say that? You can reasonably disagree with the USCCB's take on a particular policy. I disagree with a lot of US Bishops on everything from particular immigration policies to types of liturgical inculturation, and a lot in between.

To blame the Church in S. America for political persecution in S. America, the subject of which is often the Church itself, is crazy. Especially considering the extent to which the Catholic Church HAS spoken out against communism and Marxism. It makes no sense.

Also, I can show videos of priests explaining that the Church's official stance on immigration does allow for deportations, and that it doesn't amount to an open border advocacy stance.

Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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agracer said:

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Burdizzo said:

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

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The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.

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Who exactly are you talking about? Priests are very often themselves the ones being politically targeted for persecution by their government. What a weird thing to blame the persecuted for enabling their own persecution.

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Specifically, when someone advocates for sending more people to the US and hiding behind their Faith instead of justifying their behavior. I understand there's countless examples of corruption and retribution and it's hard to speak up. But too many of them, if they are in fact trying to do the right thing, are very loudly doing very wrong things.

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Is there a particular priest from a particular diocese in South America you're thinking of? Is there a particular Church doctrine that calls for sending more people to the U.S. illegally?

Again, there are multiple countries in S. America whose governments actively persecute Catholics and Christians generally. And it seems like you're saying the persecuted are hiding behind their faith. What would you like to see from the priests who are being driven out of their countries?

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I don't even have to go to South America. San Antonio is full of very loud Catholic advocates for everything from getting involved in politics around "immigration reform" (which always ends up being "let them all in") to accepting money from NGOs, to physically sheltering illegals, to paying for housing. None of that is getting stuck between a rock and a hard place - it's blatant corruption in the guise of Ministry.

But why take my word for it, the USCCB is all over it. Visit justiceforimmigrants.org and see if they even mention the word "trafficking" or "drugs" because they sure seem to think it's much more important to talk about rights of immigrants being able to come to the US.

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Why not just say that? You can reasonably disagree with the USCCB's take on a particular policy. I disagree with a lot of US Bishops on everything from particular immigration policies to types of liturgical inculturation, and a lot in between.

To blame the Church in S. America for political persecution in S. America, the subject of which is often the Church itself, is crazy. Especially considering the extent to which the Catholic Church HAS spoken out against communism and Marxism. It makes no sense.

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I barely hear anything about the Church in South America except for when it's time to do a mission trip. Do you have any recent examples of them bravely battling communism? I haven't read a headline like that in a long time

Burdizzo said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Burdizzo said:

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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That's just conjecture on your part. I'd imagine plenty of the priests in Latin America speak out when they can. Conjecture on my part.

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Fair enough. I dont attend Catholic Church, and I especially don't attend Catholic Church in South America. That said, I don't hear about too many Dietrich Bonhoeffer types down there, and there appears to be a lack of coordination among the dioceses considering "Catholic Charities" here in the US is shuttling these people all over the country.

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I wouldn't use Bonhoeffer as an example of a good Christian. He did not believe in the Trinity and was apostate.

the most cool guy said:

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Trigon Jin said:

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.

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By stats alone in the US, this is demonstrably not true at all. Evangelicals are by far the most political conservative group here, it's not close.

Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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agracer said:

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Burdizzo said:

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

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The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.

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Who exactly are you talking about? Priests are very often themselves the ones being politically targeted for persecution by their government. What a weird thing to blame the persecuted for enabling their own persecution.

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Specifically, when someone advocates for sending more people to the US and hiding behind their Faith instead of justifying their behavior. I understand there's countless examples of corruption and retribution and it's hard to speak up. But too many of them, if they are in fact trying to do the right thing, are very loudly doing very wrong things.

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Is there a particular priest from a particular diocese in South America you're thinking of? Is there a particular Church doctrine that calls for sending more people to the U.S. illegally?

Again, there are multiple countries in S. America whose governments actively persecute Catholics and Christians generally. And it seems like you're saying the persecuted are hiding behind their faith. What would you like to see from the priests who are being driven out of their countries?

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I don't even have to go to South America. San Antonio is full of very loud Catholic advocates for everything from getting involved in politics around "immigration reform" (which always ends up being "let them all in") to accepting money from NGOs, to physically sheltering illegals, to paying for housing. None of that is getting stuck between a rock and a hard place - it's blatant corruption in the guise of Ministry.

But why take my word for it, the USCCB is all over it. Visit justiceforimmigrants.org and see if they even mention the word "trafficking" or "drugs" because they sure seem to think it's much more important to talk about rights of immigrants being able to come to the US.

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Why not just say that? You can reasonably disagree with the USCCB's take on a particular policy. I disagree with a lot of US Bishops on everything from particular immigration policies to types of liturgical inculturation, and a lot in between.

To blame the Church in S. America for political persecution in S. America, the subject of which is often the Church itself, is crazy. Especially considering the extent to which the Catholic Church HAS spoken out against communism and Marxism. It makes no sense.

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I barely hear anything about the Church in South America except for when it's time to do a mission trip. Do you have any recent examples of them bravely battling communism? I haven't read a headline like that in a long time

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Latin American Christianity is a facade. There are more Catholic dioceses in the US than in all of Latin America despite more than 100 million less people.

They are to Latin America what Orthodox is to Eastern Europe. They function more as an enforcer of state politics than they do anything else there.

Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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agracer said:

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Burdizzo said:

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

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The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.

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Who exactly are you talking about? Priests are very often themselves the ones being politically targeted for persecution by their government. What a weird thing to blame the persecuted for enabling their own persecution.

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Specifically, when someone advocates for sending more people to the US and hiding behind their Faith instead of justifying their behavior. I understand there's countless examples of corruption and retribution and it's hard to speak up. But too many of them, if they are in fact trying to do the right thing, are very loudly doing very wrong things.

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Is there a particular priest from a particular diocese in South America you're thinking of? Is there a particular Church doctrine that calls for sending more people to the U.S. illegally?

Again, there are multiple countries in S. America whose governments actively persecute Catholics and Christians generally. And it seems like you're saying the persecuted are hiding behind their faith. What would you like to see from the priests who are being driven out of their countries?

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I don't even have to go to South America. San Antonio is full of very loud Catholic advocates for everything from getting involved in politics around "immigration reform" (which always ends up being "let them all in") to accepting money from NGOs, to physically sheltering illegals, to paying for housing. None of that is getting stuck between a rock and a hard place - it's blatant corruption in the guise of Ministry.

But why take my word for it, the USCCB is all over it. Visit justiceforimmigrants.org and see if they even mention the word "trafficking" or "drugs" because they sure seem to think it's much more important to talk about rights of immigrants being able to come to the US.

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Why not just say that? You can reasonably disagree with the USCCB's take on a particular policy. I disagree with a lot of US Bishops on everything from particular immigration policies to types of liturgical inculturation, and a lot in between.

To blame the Church in S. America for political persecution in S. America, the subject of which is often the Church itself, is crazy. Especially considering the extent to which the Catholic Church HAS spoken out against communism and Marxism. It makes no sense.

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I barely hear anything about the Church in South America except for when it's time to do a mission trip. Do you have any recent examples of them bravely battling communism? I haven't read a headline like that in a long time

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See Divini Redemptoris and the Decree Against Communism.

Nanomachines son said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Trigon Jin said:

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.

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By stats alone in the US, this is demonstrably not true at all. Evangelicals are by far the most political conservative group here, it's not close.

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He said Catholic doctrine. Most Protestants have embraced things like IVF, use of artificial contraceptives, and liberal conceptions of bodily autonomy and human sexuality. Those are incompatible with magisterial teaching and conservatism.

Nanomachines son said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Trigon Jin said:

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.

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By stats alone in the US, this is demonstrably not true at all. Evangelicals are by far the most political conservative group here, it's not close.

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This, I love when the Catholics on here try to paint us as " more progressive" just because the Episcopaleans, and certain sects of other denominations have gone fruity. I never considered the Episcopaleans to be protestant/evangelical really. Coming from a southern protestant background, they always just seemed like "weird Catholics" to me.

Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Decay said:

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agracer said:

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Burdizzo said:

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

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The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.

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Who exactly are you talking about? Priests are very often themselves the ones being politically targeted for persecution by their government. What a weird thing to blame the persecuted for enabling their own persecution.

---

Specifically, when someone advocates for sending more people to the US and hiding behind their Faith instead of justifying their behavior. I understand there's countless examples of corruption and retribution and it's hard to speak up. But too many of them, if they are in fact trying to do the right thing, are very loudly doing very wrong things.

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Is there a particular priest from a particular diocese in South America you're thinking of? Is there a particular Church doctrine that calls for sending more people to the U.S. illegally?

Again, there are multiple countries in S. America whose governments actively persecute Catholics and Christians generally. And it seems like you're saying the persecuted are hiding behind their faith. What would you like to see from the priests who are being driven out of their countries?

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I don't even have to go to South America. San Antonio is full of very loud Catholic advocates for everything from getting involved in politics around "immigration reform" (which always ends up being "let them all in") to accepting money from NGOs, to physically sheltering illegals, to paying for housing. None of that is getting stuck between a rock and a hard place - it's blatant corruption in the guise of Ministry.

But why take my word for it, the USCCB is all over it. Visit justiceforimmigrants.org and see if they even mention the word "trafficking" or "drugs" because they sure seem to think it's much more important to talk about rights of immigrants being able to come to the US.

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Why not just say that? You can reasonably disagree with the USCCB's take on a particular policy. I disagree with a lot of US Bishops on everything from particular immigration policies to types of liturgical inculturation, and a lot in between.

To blame the Church in S. America for political persecution in S. America, the subject of which is often the Church itself, is crazy. Especially considering the extent to which the Catholic Church HAS spoken out against communism and Marxism. It makes no sense.

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I barely hear anything about the Church in South America except for when it's time to do a mission trip. Do you have any recent examples of them bravely battling communism? I haven't read a headline like that in a long time

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See Divini Redemptoris and the Decree Against Communism.

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1937 and 1949 respectively? JP2 was also a huge opponent of Communism more recently than that... Has the USCCB read any of those documents lately

Burdizzo said:

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Decay said:

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agracer said:

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Burdizzo said:

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

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The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.

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What would the Apostle Paul do?

What would John The Baptist do?

What would Jesus do?

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What would the Apostle Paul do?

What would John The Baptist do?

What would Jesus do?

They would not be encouraging people to immigrate illegally.

They would not be ecncouraging illegal immigrants to rape, murder, or engage in drug/sex trafficking.

The pope and the catholic orgs can F right off (coming from a parent who attends a catholic church and sends his boys to catholic school).

Trump, the USA, we are not violating the basic human rights or dignity of anyone, but that does not mean we are not going to deport them, enforce our laws, and also spending taxpayer $$ on illegal immigrants that the prior admin. let into the country in clear violation of existing US immigration laws.

No $$ should be going to any NGOs, or non-profits, for any cause, much less facilitating illegal immigration.

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Stealing this from the other Vance thread....

EXPOSED: Catholic Charities Coaching Illegals on How to Evade Immigration Authorities!

Watch this shocking video where Catholic Charities openly instructs illegals on how to dodge ICE, avoid answering questions, and game the system.

These tactics aren’t about "rights"—they're… pic.twitter.com/hfgJXfwsv2

— Amy Mek (@AmyMek) January 27, 2025

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Que?

Bob Lee said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Trigon Jin said:

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.

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By stats alone in the US, this is demonstrably not true at all. Evangelicals are by far the most political conservative group here, it's not close.

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He said Catholic doctrine. Most Protestants have embraced things like IVF, use of artificial contraceptives, and liberal conceptions of bodily autonomy and human sexuality. Those are incompatible with magisterial teaching and conservatism.

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The stats do not show this at all. Catholics are more liberal across the board in all surveys.

Illegal immigration = more more congressional seats for Democrats.

Illegal immigration = more pew $eats for Catholic church.

Birds of a feather...

Nanomachines son said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Trigon Jin said:

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.

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By stats alone in the US, this is demonstrably not true at all. Evangelicals are by far the most political conservative group here, it's not close.

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He said Catholic doctrine. Most Protestants have embraced things like IVF, use of artificial contraceptives, and liberal conceptions of bodily autonomy and human sexuality. Those are incompatible with magisterial teaching and conservatism.

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The stats do not show this at all. Catholics are more liberal across the board in all surveys.

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"Catholic" as an identity is stickier than protestant or evangelical Christian. Faithful Catholics follow the deposit of faith, which is incompatible with liberalism. But a lot of liberals self identify as Catholic even despite the conflict. Protestantism lends itself to liberalism in a way that Catholicism does not. Because protestants by and large have soured on tradition, which is what conservatives want to conserve.

agracer said:

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Burdizzo said:

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

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I suppose the question really should be….what would the Lord want you to choose?

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RAB91 said:

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Stealing this from the other Vance thread....

EXPOSED: Catholic Charities Coaching Illegals on How to Evade Immigration Authorities!

Watch this shocking video where Catholic Charities openly instructs illegals on how to dodge ICE, avoid answering questions, and game the system.

These tactics aren’t about "rights"—they're… pic.twitter.com/hfgJXfwsv2

— Amy Mek (@AmyMek) January 27, 2025

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Que?

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No doubt they should lose their tax exempt status.

Trigon Jin said:

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Like Vance said, it is all about the money when it comes to immigration.

Bob Lee said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Trigon Jin said:

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.

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By stats alone in the US, this is demonstrably not true at all. Evangelicals are by far the most political conservative group here, it's not close.

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He said Catholic doctrine. Most Protestants have embraced things like IVF, use of artificial contraceptives, and liberal conceptions of bodily autonomy and human sexuality. Those are incompatible with magisterial teaching and conservatism.

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The stats do not show this at all. Catholics are more liberal across the board in all surveys.

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"Catholic" as an identity is stickier than protestant or evangelical Christian. Faithful Catholics follow the deposit of faith, which is incompatible with liberalism. But a lot of liberals self identify as Catholic even despite the conflict. Protestantism lends itself to liberalism in a way that Catholicism does not. Because protestants by and large have soured on tradition, which is what conservatives want to conserve.

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By all statistics, white evangelicals are the lone bulwark against leftism in the US. You can cope and seethe about it all you want but the stats disagree with you immensely.

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I wonder if the USCCB realizes the vast majority of us out in the pews are not behind them on this.

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Saddens me to think that most bishops don't care.

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Because a Bishop should be guided by man and not the Lord?

Some of you have really lost the plot.

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Enabling drug running and child sex trafficking isn't following the Lord's instructions either.

The bishops have too many socialists in their ranks, in the US and in Rome. Texas Catholics especially have seen firsthand the consequences of these policies. This isn't about providing sanctuary to displaced people, it's about enabling criminals worldwide to operate with legal and financial backing from these corrupt practices.

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The vast majority of illegal immigrants in this country are not running drugs or sex trafficking. I'm not sure what your socialist comments have to do with anything, but pretty sure Jesus doesn't speak on socialism vs capitalism but maybe I should re-read the Gospels.

And please explain how the Catholic Church is enabling criminals to operate with legal and financial backing.

They just don't want federal agents barging in and dragging people put of church. I dont understand how any Christian could be against that.

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Illegal immigration = more more congressional seats for Democrats.

Illegal immigration = more pew $eats for Catholic church.

Birds of a feather...

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You think they actually donate to the church?
They receive the church "scholarships".

bangobango said:

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Decay said:

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bangobango said:

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747Ag said:

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fc2112 said:

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I wonder if the USCCB realizes the vast majority of us out in the pews are not behind them on this.

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Saddens me to think that most bishops don't care.

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Because a Bishop should be guided by man and not the Lord?

Some of you have really lost the plot.

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Enabling drug running and child sex trafficking isn't following the Lord's instructions either.

The bishops have too many socialists in their ranks, in the US and in Rome. Texas Catholics especially have seen firsthand the consequences of these policies. This isn't about providing sanctuary to displaced people, it's about enabling criminals worldwide to operate with legal and financial backing from these corrupt practices.

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The vast majority of illegal immigrants in this country are not running drugs or sex trafficking. I'm not sure what your socialist comments have to do with anything, but pretty sure Jesus doesn't speak on socialism vs capitalism but maybe I should re-read the Gospels.

And please explain how the Catholic Church is enabling criminals to operate with legal and financial backing.

They just don't want federal agents barging in and dragging people put of church. I dont understand how any Christian could be against that.

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Are there not churches they can worship in where they are getting sent to?

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As a Catholic, I sort of get the idea that the churches charity organizations look at "assisting" illegals in this way is a charitable act. However, thinking this way would be extremely shallow thinking and ignores the bigger picture of what enabling human trafficking is doing. It is a net negative that otherwise well-meaning charitable people seem oblivious to.

Additionally, let's never forget that all men are flawed, and bishops are not immune to wrong thinking. There is without question, a plague of leftism in American bishops just like everywhere else. I believe the church in the US is turning against the leftists in the clergy, albeit slowly. Nothing happens quickly in the church.

All that being said, I don't doubt that there are those involved in this within the church that are looking at that money and sinfully desiring the use of it. It isn't greed that drives this. It is pride, the worst of sins.

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There's a reason why Martin Luther sent the 95 Theses to the Archbishop of Mainz...

I went to a Catholic school. The monks there were and are good men. Have lots of dear Catholic friends and my brother converted. But the truth is the lavender mafia has won. They need a really brave person to put the See of Peter back to rights.

Excellent response by JD Vance! These tax-funded Catholic Charities are coaching illegal aliens on how to resist deportation and defy immigration laws, enabling the border crisis, and pocketing millions in federal grants to relocate migrants into American communities. This isn't compassion, it's an organized violation of our sovereignty and security.

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.

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Southern Baptists say hello...

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I went to a Catholic school. The monks there were and are good men. Have lots of dear Catholic friends and my brother converted. But the truth is the lavender mafia has won. They need a really brave person to put the See of Peter back to rights.

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Or grant more credence to the Orthodox claims some of the power has been usurped and reduce the abuse a bit that way. Vatican I could stand looking at again, ironically in a political context, because Italy's politics at the time played no small role.

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.

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By stats alone in the US, this is demonstrably not true at all. Evangelicals are by far the most political conservative group here, it's not close.

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He said Catholic doctrine. Most Protestants have embraced things like IVF, use of artificial contraceptives, and liberal conceptions of bodily autonomy and human sexuality. Those are incompatible with magisterial teaching and conservatism.

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The stats do not show this at all. Catholics are more liberal across the board in all surveys.

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"Catholic" as an identity is stickier than protestant or evangelical Christian. Faithful Catholics follow the deposit of faith, which is incompatible with liberalism. But a lot of liberals self identify as Catholic even despite the conflict. Protestantism lends itself to liberalism in a way that Catholicism does not. Because protestants by and large have soured on tradition, which is what conservatives want to conserve.

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By all statistics, white evangelicals are the lone bulwark against leftism in the US. You can cope and seethe about it all you want but the stats disagree with you immensely.

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The irony is that protestantism is what promulgates leftism in the US. Protestantism and liberalism are both a rejection of authority. You're crediting a movement that begets schism with the conservation of tradition, and citing to surveys. So dumb.

Catholic Charities receives about half a billion dollars per year from the federal government- two thirds of their funding and then spends $240,000 in lobbying federal officials, including a $49,000 donation to Kamala Harris.

Tell me the system is not corrupt.

The "Christians" on this board must really hate Leviticus 19:34.

Every year we get the Archbishops Appeal and I have yet to give a dime to it. Their politics don't align with mine.

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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Here's looking at you the 'self declared omnipotent' marxist leaning Jesuits and their marxist Jesuit pope.

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Vance is clearly the future. He's a more charismatic Desantis.

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I am happy to see him being visible and publicly engaged. Unlike some VPs that seem to disappear once they take the job.