In reply to Bunk Moreland
Yet they've confirmed the other 2
6:09p, 1/31/25
In reply to Bunk Moreland
There's no right to know the name. Theres no right to privacy either. This is unusual and is drawing attention which is distracting from what happened.
6:12p, 1/31/25
In reply to DannyDuberstein
They've confirmed all 3. Her family requested they keep the name private at this time and DoD is honoring it. Her name will be released by FOIA at the latest and likely voluntarily much earlier than that.
DannyDuberstein said:
Yet they've confirmed the other 2
They've confirmed all 3. Her family requested they keep the name private at this time and DoD is honoring it. Her name will be released by FOIA at the latest and likely voluntarily much earlier than that.
6:12p, 1/31/25
In reply to Ellis Wyatt
Glad you've kept up with every military death ever.
Ellis Wyatt said:
Because that's not how this ever works.
Glad you've kept up with every military death ever.
6:12p, 1/31/25
In reply to HoustonAg9999
WrongHoustonAg9999 said:
There is no way this was an accident.
6:13p, 1/31/25
In reply to Bunk Moreland
We understand that. Do you not understand what we are saying?
Bunk Moreland said:DannyDuberstein said:
Yet they've confirmed the other 2
They've confirmed all 3. Her family requested they keep the name private at this time and DoD is honoring it. Her name will be released by FOIA at the latest and likely voluntarily much earlier than that.
We understand that. Do you not understand what we are saying?
6:15p, 1/31/25
In reply to Bunk Moreland
Now playing word games. How about "released" then? As in "yet they released two".
Special treatment. Period. That is what this is.
Bunk Moreland said:DannyDuberstein said:
Yet they've confirmed the other 2
They've confirmed all 3. Her family requested they keep the name private at this time and DoD is honoring it. Her name will be released by FOIA at the latest and likely voluntarily much earlier than that.
Now playing word games. How about "released" then? As in "yet they released two".
Special treatment. Period. That is what this is.
6:15p, 1/31/25
In reply to Bunk Moreland
Welcome to F16. The longer we don't know, the bigger the conspiracy becomes.Bunk Moreland said:Ellis Wyatt said:I've lived around the military my entire life and I have never heard of such a thing. It is definitely not SOP.Bunk Moreland said:TAMUallen said:
Agreed, it's strange. Unless she has no family and her husband is covert CIA abroad, it doesn't seem clear as to why they would hide a person/name for so long
Her family requested they not release her name at this time. The others could have done the same if they wanted. How is that so difficult to understand?
I've had friends killed on the battlefield who were named in the paper.
You are fundamentally misunderstanding the situation. It's an active investigation and bodies are still in the water.
You make it sound like any soldier ever killed immediately had their information released no matter what. That is asinine.
But I did notice how you avoided my original question to you that why does it matter if we don't find out the name for another week or 2 weeks or 6 weeks. I'd love to know why you think the public has a right to know the name at this very moment.
6:16p, 1/31/25
Try all they want
Her name will be public soon
I can understand why they would like it to never be made public but that's not how it works
Her name will be public soon
I can understand why they would like it to never be made public but that's not how it works
Slick
6:17p, 1/31/25
In reply to DannyDuberstein
Do you think if one of the other 2 families asked for the name not to be released that they would have anyway? Do you seriously believe that?
DannyDuberstein said:Bunk Moreland said:DannyDuberstein said:
Yet they've confirmed the other 2
They've confirmed all 3. Her family requested they keep the name private at this time and DoD is honoring it. Her name will be released by FOIA at the latest and likely voluntarily much earlier than that.
Now playing word games. How about "released" then? As in "yet they released two".
Special treatment. Period. That is what this is.
Do you think if one of the other 2 families asked for the name not to be released that they would have anyway? Do you seriously believe that?
6:19p, 1/31/25
In reply to Bunk Moreland
But you know her name will be public regardless and rather soon? I don't know this is a weird bicker session. It is what it is and will get more attention than needed if she had zero fault too
Bunk Moreland said:DannyDuberstein said:Bunk Moreland said:DannyDuberstein said:
Yet they've confirmed the other 2
They've confirmed all 3. Her family requested they keep the name private at this time and DoD is honoring it. Her name will be released by FOIA at the latest and likely voluntarily much earlier than that.
Now playing word games. How about "released" then? As in "yet they released two".
Special treatment. Period. That is what this is.
Do you think if one of the other 2 families asked for the name not to be released that they would have anyway? Do you seriously believe that?
But you know her name will be public regardless and rather soon? I don't know this is a weird bicker session. It is what it is and will get more attention than needed if she had zero fault too
6:19p, 1/31/25
Even the Army has confirmed it is unusual not to release.
My spidey senses tell me this may be due to her being a close family member of someone prominent. A regular family would not seem to have pull for "unusual" treatment.
That or there is something about her they want to get ahead of.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-army-withholds-name-one-black-hawk-soldier-killed-dc-collision-2025-01-31/
My spidey senses tell me this may be due to her being a close family member of someone prominent. A regular family would not seem to have pull for "unusual" treatment.
That or there is something about her they want to get ahead of.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-army-withholds-name-one-black-hawk-soldier-killed-dc-collision-2025-01-31/
Quote:
WASHINGTON, Jan 31 (Reuters) - The U.S. Army on Friday released the names of two of the soldiers killed when the military Black Hawk in which they were flying collided with a passenger jet, but said, in an unusual decision, that they were not releasing the third name at the request of the family.
The Army identified two of the soldiers killed in Wednesday's crash in Washington as Staff Sergeant Ryan Austin O'Hara, 28, and Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Loyd Eaves, 39, but did not provide details about the third.
Reuters had reported on Thursday, citing an Army official, that the crew of the Black Hawk involved in the deadly crash with an American Airlines regional passenger jet included two male soldiers and one female soldier.
"At the request of the family, the name of the third Soldier will not be released at this time," an Army statement said.
6:22p, 1/31/25
In reply to Bunk Moreland
Their names were put out there by the families before the Army confirmed.Bunk Moreland said:DannyDuberstein said:Bunk Moreland said:DannyDuberstein said:
Yet they've confirmed the other 2
They've confirmed all 3. Her family requested they keep the name private at this time and DoD is honoring it. Her name will be released by FOIA at the latest and likely voluntarily much earlier than that.
Now playing word games. How about "released" then? As in "yet they released two".
Special treatment. Period. That is what this is.
Do you think if one of the other 2 families asked for the name not to be released that they would have anyway? Do you seriously believe that?
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
6:30p, 1/31/25
In reply to Jbob04
There's no hill. I'm not arguing it isn't unusual. I just don't see why everyone must need it now. It's going to come out. And likely soon. If we don't find out in a month and they're still blocking it I'd be wondering what's going on. But this is 48 hours old. I'm not there yet.
Jbob04 said:
Bunk is determined to die on his hill. Holy moly
There's no hill. I'm not arguing it isn't unusual. I just don't see why everyone must need it now. It's going to come out. And likely soon. If we don't find out in a month and they're still blocking it I'd be wondering what's going on. But this is 48 hours old. I'm not there yet.
6:31p, 1/31/25
In reply to Bunk Moreland
The Army's duty is to inform the family ASAP, before it's released. After that, their duty is to inform the public. That's just the way it is, a role of duty vs PR or emotions. They have now ultimately done this family a disservice by not doing so, even though this may have been an ask
Bunk Moreland said:DannyDuberstein said:Bunk Moreland said:DannyDuberstein said:
Yet they've confirmed the other 2
They've confirmed all 3. Her family requested they keep the name private at this time and DoD is honoring it. Her name will be released by FOIA at the latest and likely voluntarily much earlier than that.
Now playing word games. How about "released" then? As in "yet they released two".
Special treatment. Period. That is what this is.
Do you think if one of the other 2 families asked for the name not to be released that they would have anyway? Do you seriously believe that?
The Army's duty is to inform the family ASAP, before it's released. After that, their duty is to inform the public. That's just the way it is, a role of duty vs PR or emotions. They have now ultimately done this family a disservice by not doing so, even though this may have been an ask
6:33p, 1/31/25
In reply to DannyDuberstein
I believe the wording from the privacy act is they CAN release, but not that they must. Most of the time they do, but I highly doubt this is the only tome a servicmember's name has been held back for a hole 49 hours. And again, I'm sure they will. This is nothing at this point
DannyDuberstein said:Bunk Moreland said:DannyDuberstein said:Bunk Moreland said:DannyDuberstein said:
Yet they've confirmed the other 2
They've confirmed all 3. Her family requested they keep the name private at this time and DoD is honoring it. Her name will be released by FOIA at the latest and likely voluntarily much earlier than that.
Now playing word games. How about "released" then? As in "yet they released two".
Special treatment. Period. That is what this is.
Do you think if one of the other 2 families asked for the name not to be released that they would have anyway? Do you seriously believe that?
The Army's duty is to inform the family ASAP, before it's released. After that, their duty is to inform the public.
I believe the wording from the privacy act is they CAN release, but not that they must. Most of the time they do, but I highly doubt this is the only tome a servicmember's name has been held back for a hole 49 hours. And again, I'm sure they will. This is nothing at this point
6:35p, 1/31/25
Several occasions where mishap pilots behavior or activities were discovered after their names and faces were made public
Slick
6:39p, 1/31/25
In reply to Bunk Moreland
True. And if the NVGs limited their peripheral vision, they might not have seen something coming in at their 10 o'clock.Bunk Moreland said:fc2112 said:
Whoever was flying this helicopter was a ****ing moron. How do you miss the fully lit up jet right in front of you?BREAKING: New, much more clear video of the American Airlines collision with the Black Hawk.
— Brian Krassenstein (@krassenstein) January 31, 2025
Thoughts from any Pilots? pic.twitter.com/s11IykHDPM
For starters, it wasn't right in front of them. You've had multiple pilots and helicopter pilots on tv news, online and on this thread discuss how these things can and do happen with relation to blind spots, what they're looking at, possible mistakes in what they were tracking, the city lights, etc.
You're looking at a 2d video and attempting to project 3d summations.
Now that doesn't mean the pilot wasn't a moron. But the plane was not 'right in front of them'
6:42p, 1/31/25
In reply to BBRex
Not strange at all. A lot of Warrants are prior seevice, many in other services.
BBRex said:
It's interesting that CW2 Eaves was Navy, then went Army in 2017. I don't expect that to have any impact on the incident, though.
Not strange at all. A lot of Warrants are prior seevice, many in other services.
6:43p, 1/31/25
Georgia High School Mourns Black Hawk Crew Chief
Crew chief was known from this Newsmax article dated:
Thursday, 30 January 2025 03:54 PM EST
Ryan O'Hara was killed when his military helicopter collided with a passenger plane that was making a descent into Ronald Reagan National Airport near Washington, D.C., just before 9 p.m. EST Wednesday. Parkview High School Marine Corps Junior ROTC released a statement confirming that O'Hara was one of their own. O'Hara was part of the 2014 class of the JROTC.
"It is with a heavy heart that we announce the passing of one of our own," read a social media post from Parkview's ROTC. "Class of 2014, former cadet Ryan O'Hara was the Crew Chief on the Black Hawk involved in last nights crash in DC. Our deepest condolences go out to Gary O'Hara and his entire family. Ryan is fondly remembered as a guy who would fix things around the ROTC gym as well as a vital member of the Rifle Team. Ryan leaves behind a wife and 1 year old son," Parkview ROTC said in a Facebook post that has since been removed.
Crew chief was known from this Newsmax article dated:
Thursday, 30 January 2025 03:54 PM EST
Ryan O'Hara was killed when his military helicopter collided with a passenger plane that was making a descent into Ronald Reagan National Airport near Washington, D.C., just before 9 p.m. EST Wednesday. Parkview High School Marine Corps Junior ROTC released a statement confirming that O'Hara was one of their own. O'Hara was part of the 2014 class of the JROTC.
"It is with a heavy heart that we announce the passing of one of our own," read a social media post from Parkview's ROTC. "Class of 2014, former cadet Ryan O'Hara was the Crew Chief on the Black Hawk involved in last nights crash in DC. Our deepest condolences go out to Gary O'Hara and his entire family. Ryan is fondly remembered as a guy who would fix things around the ROTC gym as well as a vital member of the Rifle Team. Ryan leaves behind a wife and 1 year old son," Parkview ROTC said in a Facebook post that has since been removed.
6:49p, 1/31/25
In reply to HoustonAg9999
No they dont.
HoustonAg9999 said:
Also, I don't evasive maneuvers made by either the helicopter or Jet something doesn't add up Blackhawks have very advanced collision avoidance, avionics, sensors, on board radar. There is no way this was an accident.
No they dont.
6:53p, 1/31/25
This breakdown by a pilot of everything that happened is really interesting especially if you don't totally get all the air traffic control acronyms. Really interesting 14 minutes.
ETA - not the Elon post - the video from the response.
ETA - not the Elon post - the video from the response.
This pilot has a logical perspective. pic.twitter.com/xi2XXBZWkv
— Jammles (@jammles9) January 31, 2025
7:32p, 1/31/25
In reply to Fairview
He creates wild speculations with zero evidence and hides it all behind authority. He is a clickbait pilot. He is the guy in the video you linked
7:33p, 1/31/25
In reply to ArmyAg2002
Yeah, just interesting to me personally. I was Navy; Dad was an Army CW4.
ArmyAg2002 said:BBRex said:
It's interesting that CW2 Eaves was Navy, then went Army in 2017. I don't expect that to have any impact on the incident, though.
Not strange at all. A lot of Warrants are prior seevice, many in other services.
Yeah, just interesting to me personally. I was Navy; Dad was an Army CW4.
8:21p, 1/31/25
In reply to Rockdoc
UH60 was perpendicular to the CRJ700.
Simple.Rockdoc said:
How how how did they not see that landing light? Hard to believe 1 of the 3 didn't see it. They must have been terribly distracted.
UH60 was perpendicular to the CRJ700.
8:23p, 1/31/25
In reply to Bunk Moreland
It was in front of them. They clearly missed seeing the plane in front of them. And for some stupid reason they turned east further over the Potomac, way off course, then headed south toward the WW bridge and ran into the plane.Bunk Moreland said:fc2112 said:
Whoever was flying this helicopter was a ****ing moron. How do you miss the fully lit up jet right in front of you?BREAKING: New, much more clear video of the American Airlines collision with the Black Hawk.
— Brian Krassenstein (@krassenstein) January 31, 2025
Thoughts from any Pilots? pic.twitter.com/s11IykHDPM
For starters, it wasn't right in front of them. You've had multiple pilots and helicopter pilots on tv news, online and on this thread discuss how these things can and do happen with relation to blind spots, what they're looking at, possible mistakes in what they were tracking, the city lights, etc.
You're looking at a 2d video and attempting to project 3d summations.
Now that doesn't mean the pilot wasn't a moron. But the plane was not 'right in front of them'
8:25p, 1/31/25
In reply to HoustonAg9999
Was the plane notified about the UH60? ATC should have notified based on information at hand. Again reading is fundamental.
HoustonAg9999 said:
Also, I don't evasive maneuvers made by either the helicopter or Jet something doesn't add up Blackhawks have very advanced collision avoidance, avionics, sensors, on board radar. There is no way this was an accident.
Was the plane notified about the UH60? ATC should have notified based on information at hand. Again reading is fundamental.
8:34p, 1/31/25
In reply to bobbranco
But the Heli had more than ample
Time to see the plane. It's not like the Heli was "behind" the plane. For a long stretch that Heli to see the CRJ headlight.
Time to see the plane. It's not like the Heli was "behind" the plane. For a long stretch that Heli to see the CRJ headlight.