Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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The goat calls collection on scumbag pos zelensky's debt & the Zelensky fanboys are spiking the football


You can't make up this level of lack of self awareness

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Like I said above about their football spiking. Quoted for later.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Someone get a body bag for nortex

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Crawl out of yours first.

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At least you tried

Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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The goat calls collection on scumbag pos zelensky's debt & the Zelensky fanboys are spiking the football


You can't make up this level of lack of self awareness

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It's for continued support, ie security guarantees.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-ukraine-europe-rare-earth-russia-war-9af06a9f17dbaa49a05dcba3a3363977

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President Donald Trump on Monday indicated that he wants to reach an agreement with Ukraine to gain access to the country's rare earth materials as a condition for continuing U.S. support for its war against Russia.

"We're looking to do a deal with Ukraine where they're going to secure what we're giving them with their rare earth and other things."

Trump suggested that he's received word from the Ukrainian government that they'd be willing to make a deal to give the U.S. access to the elements critical to the modern high- economy.

"I want to have security of rare earth," Trump added. "We're putting in hundreds of billions of dollars. They have great rare earth. And I want security of the rare earth, and they're willing to do it."

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So ya, we thrilled. We get rare earth metals, Ukraine keeps existing and killing Russians. Well, until Trump forces Putin to take a deal.

Teslag said:

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Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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The goat calls collection on scumbag pos zelensky's debt & the Zelensky fanboys are spiking the football


You can't make up this level of lack of self awareness

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It's for continued support, ie security guarantees.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-ukraine-europe-rare-earth-russia-war-9af06a9f17dbaa49a05dcba3a3363977

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President Donald Trump on Monday indicated that he wants to reach an agreement with Ukraine to gain access to the country's rare earth materials as a condition for continuing U.S. support for its war against Russia.

"We're looking to do a deal with Ukraine where they're going to secure what we're giving them with their rare earth and other things."

Trump suggested that he's received word from the Ukrainian government that they'd be willing to make a deal to give the U.S. access to the elements critical to the modern high- economy.

"I want to have security of rare earth," Trump added. "We're putting in hundreds of billions of dollars. They have great rare earth. And I want security of the rare earth, and they're willing to do it."

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So ya, we thrilled. We get rare earth metals, Ukraine keeps existing and killing Russians. Well, until Trump forces Putin to take a deal.

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Exactly. You'd think our resident anti Ukraine posters would be thrilled that Ukraine was going to have to find a way to pay back at least some of the aid we've been providing, allowing it to continue and hopefully force Putin to the table to negotiate an end. Almost as if that had nothing to do with why they were against helping Ukraine in the first place.

I think some have Russian mail order brides

Teslag said:

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Actually I didn't count lithium at all.

I didn't highlight lithium in my map in blue. Lithium is brown in the legend.

Do you have an aversion to map legends?

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I know engineering/science isn't your background but they (per your link) include the material as most of the map's REE. It's just classified as granite pegmatites.

And around half of that is controlled by Russia. We as a planet are not short on retrievable lithium supplies.
DDG:

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Proterozoic rare-earth granite pegmatites can be significant sources of lithium, often containing minerals like spodumene and lepidolite that are rich in lithium. These pegmatites are also known for their enrichment in rare earth elements, making them valuable for various industrial applications.

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In any case, we lack any capacity domestically to refine lithium (or REE otherwise) at scale in the US, so it would need to be shipped to China (or plausibly Chile) in bulk for the 'dirty work.' Trump may bargain for some control over the remnant of REE in Ukraine post-war but it's just not worth the price in blood/materiel no matter the spin, and most of the actual minerals in Ukraine are now in Russian control, no matter how one studies the map of blue and yellow draped websites.

I'd forgotten about this little thread, sorry, but y'all can have fun with it now. I provided my update for the early week on the proxy war elsewhere. Ultimately, no concession of REE will make the war 'profitable' for the US, nor should it. Whoever Zelensky's successor is, will hopefully agree to Trump/Putin's terms.

1. Im an engineer

2. Lithium isn't a rare earth metal

3. I didn't show any lithium deposits in my highlighted map

4. I don't know why you're ranting and raving about lithium in a thread that has nothing to do with lithium

5. Per their map, Ukraine does have REE in their controlled areas despite your bluster about them not having them. You got called. Take the L.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Hopefully Zelenskyy comes here to beg for money and for Trump's mercy. Then we can arrest him for corruption and theft from the American taxpayer.

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And Trump needs to tell him to quit showing up wearing military clothing like he's out there in the field.

Teslag said:

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1. Im an engineer

2. Lithium isn't a rare earth metal

3. I didn't show any lithium deposits in my highlighted map

4. I don't know why you're ranting and raving about lithium in a thread that has nothing to do with lithium

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No, you're not. I just don't believe you at all, based on all the stuff you have posted over the years about a very wide range of topics. I vaguely recall your background, and don't care what you now want to claim. You also lack a basic reading comprehension worth my trying to assist further so this is my last post but this is from your link/source map:

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Proterozoic rare-earth granite pegmatites comprise the potential source of lithium in Ukraine.

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That's how the map was made, using that definition. Granite ain't useful as a rare earth mineral, it is just that these pegmatites are then processed to produce lithium. Again, happy to help, but I won't go further just because you will likely post 10 more times on the topic in the next hour and I don't care to try to get into some pedantic discussion.

We just aren't gonna get a lot of rare earth elements out of what's left of Ukraine, nor can we process what we might get. Trump's just trying to salvage something out of it, because it's been such a grotesque waste of lives/resources/money.

nortex97 said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Im an engineer

2. Lithium isn't a rare earth metal

3. I didn't show any lithium deposits in my highlighted map

4. I don't know why you're ranting and raving about lithium in a thread that has nothing to do with lithium

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No, you're not. I just don't believe you at all, based on all the stuff you have posted over the years about a very wide range of topics. I vaguely recall your background, and don't care what you now want to claim. You also lack a basic reading comprehension worth my trying to assist further so this is my last post but this is from your link/source map:

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Proterozoic rare-earth granite pegmatites comprise the potential source of lithium in Ukraine.

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That's how the map was made, using that definition. Granite ain't useful as a rare earth mineral, it is just that these pegmatites are then processed to produce lithium. Again, happy to help, but I won't go further just because you will likely post 10 more times on the topic in the next hour and I don't care to try to get into some pedantic discussion.

We just aren't gonna get a lot of rare earth elements out of what's left of Ukraine, nor can we process what we might get. Trump's just trying to salvage something out of it, because it's been such a grotesque waste of lives/resources/money.

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And the typical Nortex long winded hand wave DESPITE the map clearly showing Ukraine's REE deposits.

"I know your map shows this but it really means this even though it doesn't say that".

Thats literally his argument. I think it's hilarious that Nortex probably spent all morning banging away on his keyboard trying to find another source and when he couldn't he just put his fingers in his ears and stuck out his tongue.

And now he's really done on this thread. For real this time

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Teslag said:

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Can't wait to see this board melt down at the impending Trump-Zelensky bromance.

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Quoting this for later.

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LOLOL.

That's part of the brilliance.

Shocker, Ukraine lied about rare earth element reserves/deposits.

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I was puzzled. To the best of my knowledge, Ukraine has no significant rare-earth deposits other than small scandium mines. The US Geological Survey, an authority on the matter, doesn't list the country as holding any reserves. Neither does any other database commonly used in the mining business.

Simply put, "follow the money" doesn't work here. At best, the value of all the world's rare-earth production rounds to $15 billion a year emphasis on "a year." That's equal to the value of just two days of global oil output. Even if Ukraine had gigantic deposits, they wouldn't be that valuable in geo-economic terms.

Say that Ukraine was able, as if by magic, to produce 20% of the world's rare earths. That would equal to about $3 billion annually. To reach the $500 billion mooted by Trump, the US would need to secure 150-plus years of Ukrainian output. Pure nonsense

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Every document someone has pointed out to me regurgitates the same conspiracy-theory claims found on the blogosphere. They tend to mistake accumulations of some rare-earth-bearing minerals as equating with a commercial mine. Many highlight the Novopoltavske deposit, discovered by the Soviets in 1970, as a potential source. While tiny amounts of rare earths are present there, digging them out seems impossible hence why the site remains an unproductive deposit rather than a mine more than 50 years after its discovery. The Ukrainian government has described Novopoltavske as "relatively difficult" to mine and said that any rare-earth yield would be "off balance," meaning that it's not economical to exploit them at current prices. Worse, the mineralogy goes against it: The host source is a mineral that makes extracting the elements very hard.

The worst of the pamphlets claiming Ukraine has a rare-earths cache bears the North Atlantic Treaty Organization imprint and has been widely shared as the "Trump-is-right" proof. It was produced in December 2024 by the NATO Energy Security Centre of Excellence, based in Lithuania. Although affiliated with the military alliance, bearing its name and logo, the entity and its counterparts are autonomous bodies outside the command chain. The document is provocative: "Ukraine emerges as a key potential supplier of rare earth metals such as titanium, lithium, beryllium, manganese, gallium, uranium…" The list should ring every alarm. Anyone with a passing knowledge of chemistry knows none of those minerals are rare earths.

Why NATO's imprint is attached to the report, which appears devoid of basic fact-checking, is beyond comprehension. A spokesperson told me the views reflected those of the author rather than NATO something the document doesn't say. The report, uncorrected, is still available online.

If that's the source Trump's advisers used to convince him of Ukraine's rare-earth riches, it would be depressing global politics based on copy and paste. It would suit the Kafkaesque year of 2025 well.

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Unsurprising, to say the least. Archive link.

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Shocker, Ukraine lied about rare earth element reserves/deposits.

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I was puzzled. To the best of my knowledge, Ukraine has no significant rare-earth deposits other than small scandium mines. The US Geological Survey, an authority on the matter, doesn't list the country as holding any reserves. Neither does any other database commonly used in the mining business.

Simply put, "follow the money" doesn't work here. At best, the value of all the world's rare-earth production rounds to $15 billion a year emphasis on "a year." That's equal to the value of just two days of global oil output. Even if Ukraine had gigantic deposits, they wouldn't be that valuable in geo-economic terms.

Say that Ukraine was able, as if by magic, to produce 20% of the world's rare earths. That would equal to about $3 billion annually. To reach the $500 billion mooted by Trump, the US would need to secure 150-plus years of Ukrainian output. Pure nonsense

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Every document someone has pointed out to me regurgitates the same conspiracy-theory claims found on the blogosphere. They tend to mistake accumulations of some rare-earth-bearing minerals as equating with a commercial mine. Many highlight the Novopoltavske deposit, discovered by the Soviets in 1970, as a potential source. While tiny amounts of rare earths are present there, digging them out seems impossible hence why the site remains an unproductive deposit rather than a mine more than 50 years after its discovery. The Ukrainian government has described Novopoltavske as "relatively difficult" to mine and said that any rare-earth yield would be "off balance," meaning that it's not economical to exploit them at current prices. Worse, the mineralogy goes against it: The host source is a mineral that makes extracting the elements very hard.

The worst of the pamphlets claiming Ukraine has a rare-earths cache bears the North Atlantic Treaty Organization imprint and has been widely shared as the "Trump-is-right" proof. It was produced in December 2024 by the NATO Energy Security Centre of Excellence, based in Lithuania. Although affiliated with the military alliance, bearing its name and logo, the entity and its counterparts are autonomous bodies outside the command chain. The document is provocative: "Ukraine emerges as a key potential supplier of rare earth metals such as titanium, lithium, beryllium, manganese, gallium, uranium…" The list should ring every alarm. Anyone with a passing knowledge of chemistry knows none of those minerals are rare earths.

Why NATO's imprint is attached to the report, which appears devoid of basic fact-checking, is beyond comprehension. A spokesperson told me the views reflected those of the author rather than NATO something the document doesn't say. The report, uncorrected, is still available online.

If that's the source Trump's advisers used to convince him of Ukraine's rare-earth riches, it would be depressing global politics based on copy and paste. It would suit the Kafkaesque year of 2025 well.

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Unsurprising, to say the least. Archive link.

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Javier Blas is a brilliant guy. His book "The World for Sale: Money, Power, and the Traders Who Barter the Earth's Resources" is the best book I read last year.

World for Sale



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I think he's not dumb. It's a well received book.

(Note, I haven't read it).

Thanks, just ordered it.