Something to think about.....someone of importance once said.....

It is not necessary to believe in God to be a good person.
In a way, the traditional notion of God is outdated.
One can be spiritual, but not religious.
It is not necessary to go to church and give money.
For many, nature can be a church.
Some of the best people in history did not believe in God,
while some of the worst deeds were done in His name.

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BrazosDog02 said:

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ETFan said:

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Me thinks this is a two way street with two hard heads. Politics must clearly rank above your children if, when brought up, there's enough push back from you to cause them to pull away that hard. That said, they are being unreasonable too.

For example, if the topic of musk came up, you must have voiced your appreciation of him over your daughters concerns of him being a **** head. Have you tried just agreeing? Being the bigger adult? Agree to disagree, politely?

Daughter "hey, I think musk is a nazi, he gave a nazi salute!" You "Yeah, that was a questionable move. Maybe he was trolling? Either way I hope he does better because that's kinda off putting. How's the new job going?..."


My inlaws do this. My wife has clearly shown her disdain for their politics or bringing up politics, they're fox news on every TV, 24/7, conservatives. To the point it's clear, to anyone who cares, that politics is just a **** show to bring up. What do they do when we have a get-together shortly before this election? Two Trump signs either side of the entry to their house.

They've never in their lives placed political signs, niether have we. Obviously was a painful "oh ok, so we're trolling our own children now, excellent" moment. You might see how that could push someone away? We haven't disowned them like your daughter, but they're on that line where trolling politics ranks above their family. Kinda ****ty.

Is that going on?

EDIT: almost forgot about the poster calling all democrats are comminists out to round them up and eliminate them. Grow tf up.

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We don't troll our daughter with politics. But thanks for your concern trolling.

And No we do not generally discuss politics with her. But she knows where we stand and tries to provoke. There is no 'let's agree to disagree'.

If you and your family can't handle Trump signs in your family members yard of Fox tv being on … maybe you are the problem?

I don't walk into any family members house and get offended that CNN or MsNBC is on a screen…

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Thought maybe you'd like to hear from "the other side", apologize if you only wanted echo's. I wasn't trolling you.

I gave a real world example where no one was disowned, we still hangout like a normal family, but have polar opposite views...

No one is offended by the TVs, I was giving a gauge of how political they are. Normal people don't leave a single political channel playing 24/7.

If you want to ignore the context surrounding the signs, again, fine.

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The OP is not looking for advice. He is looking for people in the echo chamber to tell him what he is doing is OK and he didn't do anything wrong. It's not OK and whatever he did or is doing is absolutely not working.

There is plenty of sound advice from multiple people, it is advice that is different than the echo chamber's. They have all explained how to support the child without agreeing or supporting the 'thing' that is hanging him up.

You led the horse to water.....and it will now fall over and die of thirst. My old man is the same way. He knows what the answers are to have a relationship with his children, he just willfully ignores them. Some people simply don't want help.

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Go back and read the OP. OP is not asking for advice. OP is lamenting the fact that the left is so incredibly hard-core with their own secular religion that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe Christians are. In fact, OP is happy to have a relationship with his child but the child wants complete and total acceptance of her lifestyle.

OP, as a Christian, has a set of beliefs and standards that he shouldn't compromise on. OP also knows that it isn't his place to judge his daughter, leaving that to God. His job is to love, and he does. The daughter is the one that already knows the OP's beliefs system because she grew up in it. The only difference is that now it's acceptable to cut off one's parents because the parents won't disavow everything that means anything to them.

It's one thing to tolerate, which OP has stated he is willing to do to save the relationship but that's not enough for OP's daughter. OP's daughter wants total affirmation and she is emotionally blackmailing her parents to get it.

It's evil and disgusting and an epidemic.

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Excellent. Bravo this is some great work. By both Brazos and Louder

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I can't imagine choosing politics and/or religion over family. You don't have to agree. Just try not talking politics

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I don't speak with my only sibling unless necessary. I have been called a stupid idiot too many times because of politics. Being a woke liberal is her entire identity. The final straw was her keeping me from being able to tell our father goodbye before he passed.

Rattler12 said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Rattler12 said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Rattler12 said:

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One Louder said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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ETFan said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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ETFan said:

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Me thinks this is a two way street with two hard heads. Politics must clearly rank above your children if, when brought up, there's enough push back from you to cause them to pull away that hard. That said, they are being unreasonable too.

For example, if the topic of musk came up, you must have voiced your appreciation of him over your daughters concerns of him being a **** head. Have you tried just agreeing? Being the bigger adult? Agree to disagree, politely?

Daughter "hey, I think musk is a nazi, he gave a nazi salute!" You "Yeah, that was a questionable move. Maybe he was trolling? Either way I hope he does better because that's kinda off putting. How's the new job going?..."


My inlaws do this. My wife has clearly shown her disdain for their politics or bringing up politics, they're fox news on every TV, 24/7, conservatives. To the point it's clear, to anyone who cares, that politics is just a **** show to bring up. What do they do when we have a get-together shortly before this election? Two Trump signs either side of the entry to their house.

They've never in their lives placed political signs, niether have we. Obviously was a painful "oh ok, so we're trolling our own children now, excellent" moment. You might see how that could push someone away? We haven't disowned them like your daughter, but they're on that line where trolling politics ranks above their family. Kinda ****ty.

Is that going on?

EDIT: almost forgot about the poster calling all democrats are comminists out to round them up and eliminate them. Grow tf up.

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We don't troll our daughter with politics. But thanks for your concern trolling.

And No we do not generally discuss politics with her. But she knows where we stand and tries to provoke. There is no 'let's agree to disagree'.

If you and your family can't handle Trump signs in your family members yard of Fox tv being on … maybe you are the problem?

I don't walk into any family members house and get offended that CNN or MsNBC is on a screen…

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Thought maybe you'd like to hear from "the other side", apologize if you only wanted echo's. I wasn't trolling you.

I gave a real world example where no one was disowned, we still hangout like a normal family, but have polar opposite views...

No one is offended by the TVs, I was giving a gauge of how political they are. Normal people don't leave a single political channel playing 24/7.

If you want to ignore the context surrounding the signs, again, fine.

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The OP is not looking for advice. He is looking for people in the echo chamber to tell him what he is doing is OK and he didn't do anything wrong. It's not OK and whatever he did or is doing is absolutely not working.

There is plenty of sound advice from multiple people, it is advice that is different than the echo chamber's. They have all explained how to support the child without agreeing or supporting the 'thing' that is hanging him up.

You led the horse to water.....and it will now fall over and die of thirst. My old man is the same way. He knows what the answers are to have a relationship with his children, he just willfully ignores them. Some people simply don't want help.

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Go back and read the OP. OP is not asking for advice. OP is lamenting the fact that the left is so incredibly hard-core with their own secular religion that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe Christians are. In fact, OP is happy to have a relationship with his child but the child wants complete and total acceptance of her lifestyle.

OP, as a Christian, has a set of beliefs and standards that he shouldn't compromise on. OP also knows that it isn't his place to judge his daughter, leaving that to God. His job is to love, and he does. The daughter is the one that already knows the OP's beliefs system because she grew up in it. The only difference is that now it's acceptable to cut off one's parents because the parents won't disavow everything that means anything to them.

It's one thing to tolerate, which OP has stated he is willing to do to save the relationship but that's not enough for OP's daughter. OP's daughter wants total affirmation and she is emotionally blackmailing her parents to get it.

It's evil and disgusting and an epidemic.

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"lamenting the fact that the left is so incredibly hard-core with their own secular religion that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe Christians are."

"lamenting the fact that the right is so incredibly hard-core with their own beliefs that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe the folks on the left are."

Change a few words and the sentiment still fits. Some of us on BOTH sides are what we abhor in the other.....just blind to the reality of such..........jm2c's

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The difference is Christians don't believe what we believe on our own authority. We're actually right. That's the difference.

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You missed the point Amigo

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No I didn't. Bending to the will of God makes sense. Bending to your individual will, if you're a woke leftist is incoherent because even if liberals are right, conservatives are right. Being staunch in your Christianity is coherent. Being a hardcore leftist is incoherent.

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My point wasn't about Christianity as I left the word out of my response to the quote. My point is the far left condemns the far right vehemently for their beliefs and the far right condemn the far left vehemently for their beliefs. Exactly the same personality types just on different sides of the fence .....sorta like 5 years olds arguing and calling each other names

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Then you weren't really engaging with the point you were responding to. He didn't leave it out. If someone insists 1+1 is 3, and accuses you of being stubborn for your relentless insistence that 1+1 is 2, maybe both are stubborn, but only one is right. The other is off base. The only thing that matters is who's right, and who's lying to themselves. That's what determines who's being loving, and who's being hateful.

But even if we grant the left their philosophical worldview, and the right thing is always what gains you a sense of self satisfaction, then in any conflict both people are equally hateful all the time. It's only a matter of perspective. The daughter is a hateful bigot because she's denying his lived experience. Why doesn't she understand that her dad is just living his truth?

TheEternalOptimist said:

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......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.

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Parenting fail.

Francis Macomber said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.

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Parenting fail.

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You are so stunning and brave.

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Rattler12 said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Rattler12 said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Rattler12 said:

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One Louder said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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ETFan said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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ETFan said:

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Me thinks this is a two way street with two hard heads. Politics must clearly rank above your children if, when brought up, there's enough push back from you to cause them to pull away that hard. That said, they are being unreasonable too.

For example, if the topic of musk came up, you must have voiced your appreciation of him over your daughters concerns of him being a **** head. Have you tried just agreeing? Being the bigger adult? Agree to disagree, politely?

Daughter "hey, I think musk is a nazi, he gave a nazi salute!" You "Yeah, that was a questionable move. Maybe he was trolling? Either way I hope he does better because that's kinda off putting. How's the new job going?..."


My inlaws do this. My wife has clearly shown her disdain for their politics or bringing up politics, they're fox news on every TV, 24/7, conservatives. To the point it's clear, to anyone who cares, that politics is just a **** show to bring up. What do they do when we have a get-together shortly before this election? Two Trump signs either side of the entry to their house.

They've never in their lives placed political signs, niether have we. Obviously was a painful "oh ok, so we're trolling our own children now, excellent" moment. You might see how that could push someone away? We haven't disowned them like your daughter, but they're on that line where trolling politics ranks above their family. Kinda ****ty.

Is that going on?

EDIT: almost forgot about the poster calling all democrats are comminists out to round them up and eliminate them. Grow tf up.

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We don't troll our daughter with politics. But thanks for your concern trolling.

And No we do not generally discuss politics with her. But she knows where we stand and tries to provoke. There is no 'let's agree to disagree'.

If you and your family can't handle Trump signs in your family members yard of Fox tv being on … maybe you are the problem?

I don't walk into any family members house and get offended that CNN or MsNBC is on a screen…

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Thought maybe you'd like to hear from "the other side", apologize if you only wanted echo's. I wasn't trolling you.

I gave a real world example where no one was disowned, we still hangout like a normal family, but have polar opposite views...

No one is offended by the TVs, I was giving a gauge of how political they are. Normal people don't leave a single political channel playing 24/7.

If you want to ignore the context surrounding the signs, again, fine.

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The OP is not looking for advice. He is looking for people in the echo chamber to tell him what he is doing is OK and he didn't do anything wrong. It's not OK and whatever he did or is doing is absolutely not working.

There is plenty of sound advice from multiple people, it is advice that is different than the echo chamber's. They have all explained how to support the child without agreeing or supporting the 'thing' that is hanging him up.

You led the horse to water.....and it will now fall over and die of thirst. My old man is the same way. He knows what the answers are to have a relationship with his children, he just willfully ignores them. Some people simply don't want help.

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Go back and read the OP. OP is not asking for advice. OP is lamenting the fact that the left is so incredibly hard-core with their own secular religion that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe Christians are. In fact, OP is happy to have a relationship with his child but the child wants complete and total acceptance of her lifestyle.

OP, as a Christian, has a set of beliefs and standards that he shouldn't compromise on. OP also knows that it isn't his place to judge his daughter, leaving that to God. His job is to love, and he does. The daughter is the one that already knows the OP's beliefs system because she grew up in it. The only difference is that now it's acceptable to cut off one's parents because the parents won't disavow everything that means anything to them.

It's one thing to tolerate, which OP has stated he is willing to do to save the relationship but that's not enough for OP's daughter. OP's daughter wants total affirmation and she is emotionally blackmailing her parents to get it.

It's evil and disgusting and an epidemic.

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"lamenting the fact that the left is so incredibly hard-core with their own secular religion that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe Christians are."

"lamenting the fact that the right is so incredibly hard-core with their own beliefs that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe the folks on the left are."

Change a few words and the sentiment still fits. Some of us on BOTH sides are what we abhor in the other.....just blind to the reality of such..........jm2c's

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The difference is Christians don't believe what we believe on our own authority. We're actually right. That's the difference.

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You missed the point Amigo

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No I didn't. Bending to the will of God makes sense. Bending to your individual will, if you're a woke leftist is incoherent because even if liberals are right, conservatives are right. Being staunch in your Christianity is coherent. Being a hardcore leftist is incoherent.

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My point wasn't about Christianity as I left the word out of my response to the quote. My point is the far left condemns the far right vehemently for their beliefs and the far right condemn the far left vehemently for their beliefs. Exactly the same personality types just on different sides of the fence .....sorta like 5 years olds arguing and calling each other names

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Then you weren't really engaging with the point you were responding to. He didn't leave it out. If someone insists 1+1 is 3, and accuses you of being stubborn for your relentless insistence that 1+1 is 2, maybe both are stubborn, but only one is right. The other is off base. The only thing that matters is who's right, and who's lying to themselves. That's what determines who's being loving, and who's being hateful.

But even if we grant the left their philosophical worldview, and the right thing is always what gains you a sense of self satisfaction, then in any conflict both people are equally hateful all the time. It's only a matter of perspective. The daughter is a hateful bigot because she's denying his lived experience. Why doesn't she understand that her dad is just living his truth?

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And there you go. There are three kinds of truth. His truth, her truth and the truth .......the first two are subjective and the last objective and you are judging both with your truth which is also subjective........your example of 1+1 =3 is a stretch because 1+1 equals 2 is a factual objective truth and I doubt very view believe otherwise. Your response and my response are opinions not truths. In my opinion if OP wants a relationship with his daughter he needs to change some things as does his daughter. It sounds and looks like the nut didn't fall too far from the tree here when it comes to negotiation..

If I had to guess, I would say Bob Lee is being facetious by using that phrase. In other words, he is suggesting the dad should hoist the daughter on her own petard.

Francis Macomber said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.

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Parenting fail.

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If kids were robots, it would be OP's fault for not programming her correctly but they're not.

Obviously, your comment is the result of a parenting fail and no one wants that either.

I blame Social Media.

Rattler12 said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Rattler12 said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Rattler12 said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Rattler12 said:

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One Louder said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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ETFan said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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ETFan said:

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Me thinks this is a two way street with two hard heads. Politics must clearly rank above your children if, when brought up, there's enough push back from you to cause them to pull away that hard. That said, they are being unreasonable too.

For example, if the topic of musk came up, you must have voiced your appreciation of him over your daughters concerns of him being a **** head. Have you tried just agreeing? Being the bigger adult? Agree to disagree, politely?

Daughter "hey, I think musk is a nazi, he gave a nazi salute!" You "Yeah, that was a questionable move. Maybe he was trolling? Either way I hope he does better because that's kinda off putting. How's the new job going?..."


My inlaws do this. My wife has clearly shown her disdain for their politics or bringing up politics, they're fox news on every TV, 24/7, conservatives. To the point it's clear, to anyone who cares, that politics is just a **** show to bring up. What do they do when we have a get-together shortly before this election? Two Trump signs either side of the entry to their house.

They've never in their lives placed political signs, niether have we. Obviously was a painful "oh ok, so we're trolling our own children now, excellent" moment. You might see how that could push someone away? We haven't disowned them like your daughter, but they're on that line where trolling politics ranks above their family. Kinda ****ty.

Is that going on?

EDIT: almost forgot about the poster calling all democrats are comminists out to round them up and eliminate them. Grow tf up.

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We don't troll our daughter with politics. But thanks for your concern trolling.

And No we do not generally discuss politics with her. But she knows where we stand and tries to provoke. There is no 'let's agree to disagree'.

If you and your family can't handle Trump signs in your family members yard of Fox tv being on … maybe you are the problem?

I don't walk into any family members house and get offended that CNN or MsNBC is on a screen…

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Thought maybe you'd like to hear from "the other side", apologize if you only wanted echo's. I wasn't trolling you.

I gave a real world example where no one was disowned, we still hangout like a normal family, but have polar opposite views...

No one is offended by the TVs, I was giving a gauge of how political they are. Normal people don't leave a single political channel playing 24/7.

If you want to ignore the context surrounding the signs, again, fine.

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The OP is not looking for advice. He is looking for people in the echo chamber to tell him what he is doing is OK and he didn't do anything wrong. It's not OK and whatever he did or is doing is absolutely not working.

There is plenty of sound advice from multiple people, it is advice that is different than the echo chamber's. They have all explained how to support the child without agreeing or supporting the 'thing' that is hanging him up.

You led the horse to water.....and it will now fall over and die of thirst. My old man is the same way. He knows what the answers are to have a relationship with his children, he just willfully ignores them. Some people simply don't want help.

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Go back and read the OP. OP is not asking for advice. OP is lamenting the fact that the left is so incredibly hard-core with their own secular religion that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe Christians are. In fact, OP is happy to have a relationship with his child but the child wants complete and total acceptance of her lifestyle.

OP, as a Christian, has a set of beliefs and standards that he shouldn't compromise on. OP also knows that it isn't his place to judge his daughter, leaving that to God. His job is to love, and he does. The daughter is the one that already knows the OP's beliefs system because she grew up in it. The only difference is that now it's acceptable to cut off one's parents because the parents won't disavow everything that means anything to them.

It's one thing to tolerate, which OP has stated he is willing to do to save the relationship but that's not enough for OP's daughter. OP's daughter wants total affirmation and she is emotionally blackmailing her parents to get it.

It's evil and disgusting and an epidemic.

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"lamenting the fact that the left is so incredibly hard-core with their own secular religion that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe Christians are."

"lamenting the fact that the right is so incredibly hard-core with their own beliefs that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe the folks on the left are."

Change a few words and the sentiment still fits. Some of us on BOTH sides are what we abhor in the other.....just blind to the reality of such..........jm2c's

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The difference is Christians don't believe what we believe on our own authority. We're actually right. That's the difference.

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You missed the point Amigo

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No I didn't. Bending to the will of God makes sense. Bending to your individual will, if you're a woke leftist is incoherent because even if liberals are right, conservatives are right. Being staunch in your Christianity is coherent. Being a hardcore leftist is incoherent.

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My point wasn't about Christianity as I left the word out of my response to the quote. My point is the far left condemns the far right vehemently for their beliefs and the far right condemn the far left vehemently for their beliefs. Exactly the same personality types just on different sides of the fence .....sorta like 5 years olds arguing and calling each other names

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Then you weren't really engaging with the point you were responding to. He didn't leave it out. If someone insists 1+1 is 3, and accuses you of being stubborn for your relentless insistence that 1+1 is 2, maybe both are stubborn, but only one is right. The other is off base. The only thing that matters is who's right, and who's lying to themselves. That's what determines who's being loving, and who's being hateful.

But even if we grant the left their philosophical worldview, and the right thing is always what gains you a sense of self satisfaction, then in any conflict both people are equally hateful all the time. It's only a matter of perspective. The daughter is a hateful bigot because she's denying his lived experience. Why doesn't she understand that her dad is just living his truth?

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And there you go. There are three kinds of truth. His truth, her truth and the truth .......the first two are subjective and the last objective and you are judging both with your truth which is also subjective........your example of 1+1 =3 is a stretch because 1+1 equals 2 is a factual objective truth and I doubt very view believe otherwise. Your response and my response are opinions not truths. In my opinion if OP wants a relationship with his daughter he needs to change some things as does his daughter. It sounds and looks like the nut didn't fall too far from the tree here when it comes to negotiation..

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There is nothing negotiable about his faith.

Not a good idea to talk politics or religion with family. You're never going to talk people into (or out of) either.

Rattler12 said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Rattler12 said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Rattler12 said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Rattler12 said:

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One Louder said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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ETFan said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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ETFan said:

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Me thinks this is a two way street with two hard heads. Politics must clearly rank above your children if, when brought up, there's enough push back from you to cause them to pull away that hard. That said, they are being unreasonable too.

For example, if the topic of musk came up, you must have voiced your appreciation of him over your daughters concerns of him being a **** head. Have you tried just agreeing? Being the bigger adult? Agree to disagree, politely?

Daughter "hey, I think musk is a nazi, he gave a nazi salute!" You "Yeah, that was a questionable move. Maybe he was trolling? Either way I hope he does better because that's kinda off putting. How's the new job going?..."


My inlaws do this. My wife has clearly shown her disdain for their politics or bringing up politics, they're fox news on every TV, 24/7, conservatives. To the point it's clear, to anyone who cares, that politics is just a **** show to bring up. What do they do when we have a get-together shortly before this election? Two Trump signs either side of the entry to their house.

They've never in their lives placed political signs, niether have we. Obviously was a painful "oh ok, so we're trolling our own children now, excellent" moment. You might see how that could push someone away? We haven't disowned them like your daughter, but they're on that line where trolling politics ranks above their family. Kinda ****ty.

Is that going on?

EDIT: almost forgot about the poster calling all democrats are comminists out to round them up and eliminate them. Grow tf up.

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We don't troll our daughter with politics. But thanks for your concern trolling.

And No we do not generally discuss politics with her. But she knows where we stand and tries to provoke. There is no 'let's agree to disagree'.

If you and your family can't handle Trump signs in your family members yard of Fox tv being on … maybe you are the problem?

I don't walk into any family members house and get offended that CNN or MsNBC is on a screen…

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Thought maybe you'd like to hear from "the other side", apologize if you only wanted echo's. I wasn't trolling you.

I gave a real world example where no one was disowned, we still hangout like a normal family, but have polar opposite views...

No one is offended by the TVs, I was giving a gauge of how political they are. Normal people don't leave a single political channel playing 24/7.

If you want to ignore the context surrounding the signs, again, fine.

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The OP is not looking for advice. He is looking for people in the echo chamber to tell him what he is doing is OK and he didn't do anything wrong. It's not OK and whatever he did or is doing is absolutely not working.

There is plenty of sound advice from multiple people, it is advice that is different than the echo chamber's. They have all explained how to support the child without agreeing or supporting the 'thing' that is hanging him up.

You led the horse to water.....and it will now fall over and die of thirst. My old man is the same way. He knows what the answers are to have a relationship with his children, he just willfully ignores them. Some people simply don't want help.

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Go back and read the OP. OP is not asking for advice. OP is lamenting the fact that the left is so incredibly hard-core with their own secular religion that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe Christians are. In fact, OP is happy to have a relationship with his child but the child wants complete and total acceptance of her lifestyle.

OP, as a Christian, has a set of beliefs and standards that he shouldn't compromise on. OP also knows that it isn't his place to judge his daughter, leaving that to God. His job is to love, and he does. The daughter is the one that already knows the OP's beliefs system because she grew up in it. The only difference is that now it's acceptable to cut off one's parents because the parents won't disavow everything that means anything to them.

It's one thing to tolerate, which OP has stated he is willing to do to save the relationship but that's not enough for OP's daughter. OP's daughter wants total affirmation and she is emotionally blackmailing her parents to get it.

It's evil and disgusting and an epidemic.

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"lamenting the fact that the left is so incredibly hard-core with their own secular religion that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe Christians are."

"lamenting the fact that the right is so incredibly hard-core with their own beliefs that they fail to see that they are just as stubborn in their beliefs as they believe the folks on the left are."

Change a few words and the sentiment still fits. Some of us on BOTH sides are what we abhor in the other.....just blind to the reality of such..........jm2c's

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The difference is Christians don't believe what we believe on our own authority. We're actually right. That's the difference.

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You missed the point Amigo

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No I didn't. Bending to the will of God makes sense. Bending to your individual will, if you're a woke leftist is incoherent because even if liberals are right, conservatives are right. Being staunch in your Christianity is coherent. Being a hardcore leftist is incoherent.

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My point wasn't about Christianity as I left the word out of my response to the quote. My point is the far left condemns the far right vehemently for their beliefs and the far right condemn the far left vehemently for their beliefs. Exactly the same personality types just on different sides of the fence .....sorta like 5 years olds arguing and calling each other names

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Then you weren't really engaging with the point you were responding to. He didn't leave it out. If someone insists 1+1 is 3, and accuses you of being stubborn for your relentless insistence that 1+1 is 2, maybe both are stubborn, but only one is right. The other is off base. The only thing that matters is who's right, and who's lying to themselves. That's what determines who's being loving, and who's being hateful.

But even if we grant the left their philosophical worldview, and the right thing is always what gains you a sense of self satisfaction, then in any conflict both people are equally hateful all the time. It's only a matter of perspective. The daughter is a hateful bigot because she's denying his lived experience. Why doesn't she understand that her dad is just living his truth?

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And there you go. There are three kinds of truth. His truth, her truth and the truth .......the first two are subjective and the last objective and you are judging both with your truth which is also subjective........your example of 1+1 =3 is a stretch because 1+1 equals 2 is a factual objective truth and I doubt very view believe otherwise. Your response and my response are opinions not truths. In my opinion if OP wants a relationship with his daughter he needs to change some things as does his daughter. It sounds and looks like the nut didn't fall too far from the tree here when it comes to negotiation..

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No. The truth isn't a Hegelian compromise between thesis and antithesis.

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......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.

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my sister and dad went through this exact thing throughout her teens and twenties. it was slow and painful, but love and acceptance are what finally bridged the divide and repaired the relationship. it is for you to decide which is more important to you, your beliefs or your family. my dad chose the latter and both of them are happier and our family better for it.

if you try to have both you may find yourself waiting a very long time, and your time on earth may not be long enough to wait.

Powerful thread. I appreciate you gentlemen sharing.

I dunno man, I've known a couple gays since elementary school and it was obvious then. I'll see them every once in a while when I'm back home and we laugh about it. Sl

Tough to read, OP. Sorry to hear, and interesting thread it produced. Your daughter might be labeled "evil" by some here. Your parenting criticized. Intentions questioned. You took some pot shots. Wishing you the best for reconnecting with your child.

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.

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Parenting fail.

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If kids were robots, it would be OP's fault for not programming her correctly but they're not.

Obviously, your comment is the result of a parenting fail and no one wants that either.

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The failure is not that his daughter has different political leanings than him or that she has "contracted" the "woke mind virus."

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I can't imagine choosing politics and/or religion over family. You don't have to agree. Just try not talking politics

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I don't speak with my only sibling unless necessary. I have been called a stupid idiot too many times because of politics. Being a woke liberal is her entire identity. The final straw was her keeping me from being able to tell our father goodbye before he passed.

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I would have just over powered her.

great thread - my kids arent old enough for this kind of stuff yet.


but from friends and family with older kids - young adults. the parents that were happy "that my kid has friends" are the parents with the most rogue child stuff.

its almost as if they saw their kids with a normal friend and said "whew ... i can check out now b/c my kid has friends that are normal" totally neglecting what their children were doing with friends each day.

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Nuns??? Where do you have nuns?? I'll ship my daughter there...we are happy to have Protestants that teach well at our "Catholic" school.

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Nuns are the best. Our catholic school have 2-3 nuns that teaches religion. Its the best part of this school and pushes great values.

I feel sad hearing some of the stories here and feel blessed that I do not have to deal with these problems. It would kill me to not have a good relationship with any of my 3 kids. I have 16, 14, 12 YOs and all are following our catholic/conservative ways. We are moderate Right, vote R, and we have very close relationships with all of them which provides trust when they see our values. I think this is a huge reason.

I am not blinded by the fact that once they leave the home and go to college, they will be influenced by other values. All we can do is created a strong catholic/family base and let them form their values as adults.