Vance strikes tough tone against Russia, Putin

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Vice President JD Vance said Thursday that the U.S. would hit Moscow with sanctions and potentially military action if Russian President Vladimir Putin won't agree to a peace deal with Ukraine that guarantees Kyiv's long-term independence.

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Vance said the option of sending U.S. troops to Ukraine if Moscow failed to negotiate in good faith remained "on the table," striking a far tougher tone than did Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth

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On Ukraine, Vance said it was too early to say how much of the country's territory would remain in Russian hands or what security guarantees the U.S. and other Western allies could offer Kyiv.

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"There are any number of formulations, of configurations, but we do care about Ukraine having sovereign independence," he said.

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Wonder if this is just a performative change in tone due to some possible pushback from previously appearing too favorable towards Russian demands, or if Putin may be insisting on being gifted the whole enchilada behind the scenes, over and above what Trump already views as a better deal than he has to offer.

TBH, it would be entertaining to see Putin get on Trump's bad side.

Rossticus said:

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Wonder if this is just a performative change in tone due to some possible pushback from previously appearing too favorable towards Russian demands, or if Putin may be insisting on being gifted the whole enchilada behind the scenes.

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Putin wanted the whole enchilada to begin with. I'm not sure if that's changed for him. It's well known he doesn't want Ukraine to exist as a nation.

Having said that, **** NO to more American blood and treasure going to fight the wars of other nations. I'm tired being world police and I'm tired of wars.

Trump went in soft, basically Ukraine surrenders, kick the can and Russia rebuilds and comes back for the rest later.

I can see that causing problems from either the Russia or Ukraine side

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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WTF? Just after Hegseth said the opposite earlier in the week?

It would be nice if the U.S. had a coherent foreign policy.

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The article talks about how Hegseth clarified his comments from yesterday to be stronger against Russia

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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WTF? Just after Hegseth said the opposite earlier in the week?

It would be nice if the U.S. had a coherent foreign policy.

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This is also, after putin hit Chernobyl with a drone carrying a high explosive warhead.

HoustonAg9999 said:

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but but I thought Trump was a Putin puppet and only wants money thats what f16 has told me.

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That's what the idiots on f16 told you.

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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WTF? Just after Hegseth said the opposite earlier in the week?

It would be nice if the U.S. had a coherent foreign policy.

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You misspelled "consistent"
One way to always be correct is to be on all sides of an issue that way you can point to the one position that ended up being correct

Deus Vult said:

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HoustonAg9999 said:

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but but I thought Trump was a Putin puppet and only wants money thats what f16 has told me.

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That's what the idiots on f16 told you.

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Tell me how your way is better.

BigFred said:

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So, within a short period of time, the US has;

Destroyed our relationship with our allies Canada, Mexico, and now the UK.

Threaten the ME with a "take over".

Put Tariffs on China.

Change the name of a body of water that the rest of the world doesn't recognize.

Then........pick a fight with Russia.

All while destroying our intelligence agencies in gaining insight to the plans and capabilities of our enemies.

Sounds like a failed Casino owner is running the place.... America is far too arrogant right now.

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You should sit this one out. There's a 100% chance you're overreacting to what is a complicated negotiation. What we know for a fact is Trump is the only president since the wall fell that didn't watch Russia invade a neighbor. Then a year after he's gone Russia does what it should have done years earlier. Why did they wait five years? We'll never know but it's likely they viewed Trump differently than Biden and obviously that view was correct.

Weird, Iceman told me that the Trump-Zelenskyy bromance wasn't happening

HoustonAg9999 said:

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but but I thought Trump was a Putin puppet and only wants money thats what f16 has told me.

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Yeah, but he also wants to start WW3!

BigFred said:

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So, within a short period of time, the US has;

Destroyed our relationship with our allies Canada, Mexico, and now the UK.

Threaten the ME with a "take over".

Put Tariffs on China.

Change the name of a body of water that the rest of the world doesn't recognize.

Then........pick a fight with Russia.

All while destroying our intelligence agencies in gaining insight to the plans and capabilities of our enemies.

Sounds like a failed Casino owner is running the place.... America is far too arrogant right now.

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Oh Fred....

He hasn't destroyed any relationships and only the criminals and fraudsters scream the loudest.

Never threatened to take over the ME, and the palestinians are considered a scourge on earth to most in the ME....especially the Arabs.

Where were you arguing when they changed the name on pancake syrup and all the military bases across the country.

"All while destroying our intelligence agencies in gaining insight to the plans and capabilities of our enemies." We don't need to gain intel on our enemies while they let us destroy ourselves from within, and certainly not by letting them spend billions on asinine crap while getting kickbacks.

He may have failed at a casino but he is still a billionaire who owns a 757 and now flies in a 747. By the way they call that 747 Air Force One.

Hegs basically told Europe and Ukraine ya better get your ducks in order, were not going to be tip of spear. It seems Hegs is walking this back and Russia is not going to just get what it took.

Burpelson said:

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Hegs basically told Europe and Ukraine ya better get your ducks in order, were not going to be tip of spear. It seems Hegs is walking this back and Russia is not going to just get what it took.

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I think a lot of people learned their lesson from the Germans in the 1930s that you can't just bow to the whims of a land-hungry dictator.

Insufferable

Putin will bite off a chunk of the Ukraine, make peace and be welcomed back into the international community within a couple years.

Good cop
Bad cop

Casual Cynic said:

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Putin will bite off a chunk of the Ukraine, make peace and be welcomed back into the international community within a couple years.

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I sincerely doubt this.

Casual Cynic said:

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Putin will bite off a chunk of the Ukraine, make peace and be welcomed back into the international community within a couple years.

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People hate Russians so much they didn't bat an eye at one of them literally getting eaten by a shark on camera.

Ideally, yes. We will see though.

🇺🇸🇭🇺🇷🇺 Biden screwed up Russia!

Tucker:

From an American perspective, the Biden administration has succeeded in making Russia deeply integrated with China, economically and militarily. This is a disaster for us. But how do you bring Russia back into SWIFT or into cooperation if… pic.twitter.com/uF7XZF4bVa

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 15, 2025

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This is truly a historic event. This war will change the world for decades. Even our children will live in an era when Russia will never return to the West as it was.

Viktor Orban:

Unfortunately, I agree with that. Russia remains our neighbor, and that is the problem. The Russians have accepted the fact that Central European countries like Hungary have become members of NATO. Although they have always criticized this, saying that it is unfair, because it was promised that the territories of the former Soviet Union would not join NATO. But we made our move, and the Russians accepted it.

Ukraine was a buffer zone between NATO and Russia. But when we started developing its army and talking about possible NATO membership, the buffer zone turned into a war zone. It is no longer a buffer. That is the problem.

I have always told the West: do not consider this war yours. This is a war between two Slavic peoples - brutal, but brotherly. Russians and Ukrainians. Isolate them, keep them away, but don't make it your war. But that's exactly what you did. The US president came and said, "We're at war." But why? Nobody knows the answer.

From the very beginning, I was sure that war would make Russia stronger. That's a history lesson. World War I, World War II - they always start weaker, but they get stronger. That's a lesson Hungary learned.

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Orban should know by now the 'why.' But I won't get into it here.

The proxy war has grown their military capabilities/investment (spend) tremendously. And fwiw to OP JD Vance rebuked the absurdity of the WSJ lies about what he said:

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US Vice President J.D. Vance said on Friday that The Wall Street Journal misinterpreted his comments about the possibility of sending US troops to Ukraine

"The fact that the WSJ misinterpreted my words is absurd," Vance wrote on H's social media.

"As I have always said: American troops should not be in conflict zones unless our interests and security require it. And this war is only between Russia and Ukraine," Vance added.

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CDUB98 said:

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Aggie Apotheosis said:

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WTF? Just after Hegseth said the opposite earlier in the week?

It would be nice if the U.S. had a coherent foreign policy.

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Ever thought it the disconcerting signals could be on purpose?

Nah, probably not as TDS destroys thinking.

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5d chess is too complex for most people

CDUB98 said:

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Aggie Apotheosis said:

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WTF? Just after Hegseth said the opposite earlier in the week?

It would be nice if the U.S. had a coherent foreign policy.

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Ever thought it the disconcerting signals could be on purpose?

Nah, probably not as TDS destroys thinking.

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Another gymnast

All options are on the table all the time. That is how you negotiate.

Really, someone in the media should read a book or something other than the DNC weekly talking points.

Yes, which is why JD had to rebuke the WSJ as fast as possible.

The fact that the WSJ twisted my words in the way they did for this story is absurd, but not surprising considering they have spent years pushing for more American sons and daughters in uniform to be unnecessarily deployed overseas.

— JD Vance (@JDVance) February 14, 2025

Fake news is fake.

Very broadly, the WSJ is pretty obvious in their slant/bias/obvious disdain for the Trump administration.

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And those aren't opinion pieces, just recent fake news. The WSJ should be taken no more seriously on politics these days than CNN or the NYT.

BigFred said:

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So, within a short period of time, the US has;

Destroyed our relationship with our allies Canada, Mexico, and now the UK.

Threaten the ME with a "take over".

Put Tariffs on China.

Change the name of a body of water that the rest of the world doesn't recognize.

Then........pick a fight with Russia.

All while destroying our intelligence agencies in gaining insight to the plans and capabilities of our enemies.

Sounds like a failed Casino owner is running the place.... America is far too arrogant right now.


Stfu. Pathetic poster

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As all things with Trump, this is a negotiation tactic.

BigFred said:

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So, within a short period of time, the US has;

Destroyed our relationship with our allies Canada, Mexico, and now the UK.

Threaten the ME with a "take over".

Put Tariffs on China.

Change the name of a body of water that the rest of the world doesn't recognize.

Then........pick a fight with Russia.

All while destroying our intelligence agencies in gaining insight to the plans and capabilities of our enemies.

Sounds like a failed Casino owner is running the place.... America is far too arrogant right now.

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I know you can't be this obtuse. Clearly you're trolling, but bro try to get your information from some non TDS sources.

BigFred said:

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Then........pick a fight with Russia.

All while destroying our intelligence agencies in gaining insight to the plans and capabilities of our enemies.

Sounds like a failed Casino owner is running the place.... America is far too arrogant right now.

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Funny, the Russians don't sound like Trump picked a fight with them. And it's our intelligence agencies that put us into a proxy war with Russia for the past several years.

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Third President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev:
The presidents of Russia and the US have talked at last. This is very important in and of itself. The previous US administration cut off all high-level contacts in an attempt to punish and humiliate Russia. As a result, the world was balancing on the brink of the Apocalypse. How did we get there? It just so happened at some point that the US appointed itself the country-in-chief on our planet with the exclusive right to wage a hybrid war against our people, to mete out justice and grant pardons. It was a grave mistake, which nearly wiped humanity off the face of the earth. Nobody attempted something like that before senile Biden's team. It's true that we would hold shouting matches with America and sometimes practiced brinkmanship, but nobody slapped personal sanctions on Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis or on Brezhnev during the conflict in Afghanistan or severed contacts between the heads of state.

On the contrary, the leaders kept lines of communication open, which helped resolve crises.
In our small, controversial but highly interdependent world there can be no chief country or planetary ruler. This is a lesson that must be learned by the arrogant American elites and the so-called deep state (US bureaucracy). They need to understand that contacts and consultations are much more valuable than chest-thumping and the desire to see the strategic defeat of a country like Russia.

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The arrogance is rightly being cut back on, if anything, because the world doesn't need the CIA/USAID/NED nexus to operate speech laws and subjugate governments. We need to get out of the 'lie about democracy' business as JD stated.

In this single passage, JD Vance makes manifest the core lie driving US/EU foreign policy for decades: we claim everything we do is for "advancing democracy" when the goal is often the exact opposite.

Never imagined a senior US official saying this:pic.twitter.com/xHxhRAS611

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 14, 2025