Must Trump Cooperate with an Attempted Coup Camouflaged as a Court Order?

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laavispa
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John Lucas' rather long article in The Federalist states the case for ignoring TROs especially the one against Treasury.

The case:
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The judge has taken it upon himself to be the first judge ever to grant a temporary restraining order ("TRO") against the President of the United States that also to forbids a cabinet secretary from accessing his own records without giving them an opportunity to respond, with zero analysis of his Constitutional authority to make such a radical ruling, zero analysis of the Federal Rule governing injunctions and temporary restraining orders, and zero analysis of why he is enabling fraud and grift by blocking access to records that show who got government money and for what.

Lucas' Logic:

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People have been trained to believe that a president must follow the orders of a third-tier federal judge because orders coming from any of the 1,000-plus federal judges in the country are the "law of the land" and must be regarded as supreme.

Such deference should usually be granted as a matter of comity, when judges stay within recognized constitutional bounds. But where a judge veers far from the constitutional path and enters a patently erroneous or unconstitutional order, a president is not required to follow.

Citing Jackson and Lincoln as precedent he makes an interesting case.

https://thefederalist.com/2025/02/14/trump-need-not-bend-to-the-19-state-lawfare-coup-trying-to-thwart-his-treasury/
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**** NO!
the most cool guy
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No, he does not have to cooperate. If he wants to clean up Washington, he will have to do some things that leftist courts tell him he can't do. I am a little concerned right now that Trump is actually honoring the clearly unlawful orders of these subversive judges. He needs to push ahead. There is no time to slow down.
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If I were Trump, I would ignore and tell the judge entering these orders good luck with enforcement.
Deerdude
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Trump and Musk team already have the information. The Judges TRO merely gives them time to sort it out, while allowing them to display the weaponization of the judicial branch.
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the most cool guy said:

No, he does not have to cooperate. If he wants to clean up Washington, he will have to do some things that leftist courts tell him he can't do. I am a little concerned right now that Trump is actually honoring the clearly unlawful orders of these subversive judges. He needs to push ahead. There is no time to slow down.
Agree. However, for optical strategic purposes its okay if for a short period gives the impression of following procedure. Like Deerdude pointed out, they may already have what they need. One thing that is very clear is that Trump's team planned this whole approach well in advance, and this action by rogue Dem courts was the easiest to foresee, so they probably have an angle in mind. One thing may be waiting for Patel to get into office ---- the rogue alphabets are a factor needs to have a handle on more before get too defiant.

OP's argument post though is useful if needs to cite something when time comes to push ahead.
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TexAgs91
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I don't care if this is how it been working there's no reason a 3rd tier judge of one branch of government should have veto power over the HEAD of another branch. Especially when the president has no veto power in return. There is nothing balanced at all with that.
No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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TomFoolery
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Take a page from the book of FDR
Colonel Kurtz
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He must and he will cooperate
BigRobSA
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HEB CEO : "I have hired Smartguy Smith to do an in-depth inventory of all company assets and to provide me and the management team with those results and any recommendations for more efficient asset management of said assets."

Radical moron judge: "Nuh-uh, because ...reasons. You can't inventory your own stuff. No way, Jose!"

HEB CEO: "LOL! Sure thing, your "honor". Yeah...go ahead Smartguy...keep doing the job."
TTUArmy
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Colonel Kurtz said:

He must and he will cooperate
For now...

As was stated earlier, there's a key position in a 3-letter agency that needs filled before Trump really begins to push back on these corrupt, leftist judges.


jrdaustin
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Colonel Kurtz said:

He must and he will cooperate
Go on.... Tell us why he MUST cooperate.
Logos Stick
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I would issue a statement that I am proceeding with the original action pending the final judgement of the judiciary. So yeah, ignore the TRO, but follow any final decision after it's worked it's way through the system.
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TTUArmy said:

Colonel Kurtz said:

He must and he will cooperate
For now...

As was stated earlier, there's a key position in a 3-letter agency that needs filled before Trump really begins to push back on these corrupt, leftist judges.




Patel should be confirmed this week, no?
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This is a fundamental difference between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0. Trump 1.0 was much more reckless and doing things on the fly and then reacting. Trump 2.0 has folks like Musk around him and is playing a much more strategic game. Trump knew these lawsuits would come and that liberal judges would do this. He is just calmly saying he will follow the law. He's not doing that without knowing where this is going. I would definitely let this play out a bit before jumping to any conclusions, this is a very complicated game and so far it has been clear Trump is thinking a few moves down the board until proven otherwise.
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aggie93 said:

This is a fundamental difference between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0. Trump 1.0 was much more reckless and doing things on the fly and then reacting. Trump 2.0 has folks like Musk around him and is playing a much more strategic game. Trump knew these lawsuits would come and that liberal judges would do this. He is just calmly saying he will follow the law. He's not doing that without knowing where this is going. I would definitely let this play out a bit before jumping to any conclusions, this is a very complicated game and so far it has been clear Trump is thinking a few moves down the board until proven otherwise.


Four. Years. To. Prepare.

This was all anticipated.
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Well USAID will not be paying for the propaganda supporting the judge.

X will be carpet bombing truth.

Get on the train and come with us for the BIG WIN.
stetson
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It will be interesting to see how many people discontinue the sale of their soul and stop toeing the leftist Party line when the money dries up.
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