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88planoAg
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7:37a, 2/16/25
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I agree with taking a chopping block to the federal bloat. I've been cheering on DOGE. But is this the right way to go about trimming the fat?

A family member got a new job and moved his young family across the country last month for the opportunity. Has a 3 year old and one on the way. USDA was his new employer. He was just fired because he was just hired.

I am brokenhearted for them. This is a job in the agricultural industry, his degrees are in botany.
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BMX Bandit
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In reply to 88planoAg • 7:41a, 2/16/25
Do you know a better way than getting rid of unneeded workers?
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7:42a, 2/16/25
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Very unfortunate, but the cuts have to happen and can't be personal. Good people are going to be swept up in the correction, but it has to be done just the same.
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7:43a, 2/16/25
This is always sad no matter who the employer is. There are always going to be heartbreaking stories, but the fed government needs to be gutted. Blame it on the left and the nameless, faceless bureaucrats who actively work against the American people.
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7:44a, 2/16/25
It's lazy management
but to be fair it is possible that new employees can be fired more easily

I am sure your relative who recently lost his job has a supervisor and that supervisor should have been tasked with reducing headcount by 15% and given 60 days to do it

Of course that solution would not create headlines and drama which are important to the Trump way of doing things
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7:45a, 2/16/25
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It's a fact that some people will be swept up in the process of cleaning up the government. But we are way past the point of surgical precision. Unfortunately there's not a real good alternative to a wrecking ball approach, knowing there will be some collateral effects.
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In reply to 88planoAg • 7:52a, 2/16/25
88planoAg said:
I agree with taking a chopping block to the federal bloat. I've been cheering on DOGE. But is this the right way to go about trimming the fat?

A family member got a new job and moved his young family across the country last month for the opportunity. Has a 3 year old and one on the way. USDA was his new employer. He was just fired because he was just hired.

I am brokenhearted for them. This is a job in the agricultural industry, his degrees are in botany.
It is certainly not his fault. It is our collective fault, for letting the situation get out of control. In government employment, it is always easier to keep the dead weight that can't do the job and hire someone, who hopefully can. The dead weight stays around soaking up seniority until it is impossible to get rid of them.

In a commercial endeavor, the solution is to layoff everyone and then re-hire. (See Boeing 1970-1990). Of course the unions would have a hissy-fit.
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7:53a, 2/16/25
The bureaucracy has tied the executives hands with all their protectionist rules so bulk cuts follow the path of least resistance.

If you find this sad: try reading up on personal impacts of military downsizings after large wars are discontinued.
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7:53a, 2/16/25
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Chemotherapy takes out the good with the bad but when it comes to eliminating cancer it's a necessary evil. Do nothing and the host dies. Do something and you have a chance at survival
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7:56a, 2/16/25
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Don't work for the government. Pretty simple.
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8:06a, 2/16/25
I'm sorry for what happened. But the Federal Government should never be a caretaker of people.
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8:08a, 2/16/25
It sucks for him.

But where was this outcry at a national level when the oil and gas industry laid people off right, left and center when prices went negative?
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8:12a, 2/16/25
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The private sector has been a bloodbath multiple times over throughout the past 25 years. The government needs a taste of it.
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8:16a, 2/16/25
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Of the mass layoffs I've been a part of, the short timers are the first to go. Especially a recent graduate. They don't have experience. Now ideally management eases into it with a hiring freeze, drug tests, and letting contractors go. But if management is asleep or something happens, (like someone freezing all drilling in the Gulf or closing the economy) too bad, everyone is out the door.
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8:17a, 2/16/25
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At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if this is government or private sector but layoffs are never fun.

Over the last 4 years I've seen hundreds if not thousands of post of companies doing very similar approaches to layoffs. If you recently joined a company and they have to go through layoffs your job is typically at risk.

One of the biggest differences I'm seeing with government layoffs is people are acting like a government job should be guaranteed...

I think that's one of the reasons we are in this mess along with the mass corruption. Government officials have been able to run departments on a negative budget with no consequences.
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In reply to 88planoAg • 8:18a, 2/16/25
Biden's puppeteers were using government hiring as a way to hide some of our awful economic numbers from taxpayers. In top of that, they were straight falsifying numbers. Then, they were planting mines that Trump would have to deal with by doing things like hiring unnecessary people to saddle Trump. It isn't sad that those people are losing jobs. They never should have been given jobs.

Biden's puppeteers caused the issue. Trump is solving it.
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8:23a, 2/16/25
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The Federal Government was never intended to be a jobs program.
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8:23a, 2/16/25
i feel bad for the personal stories of good people who are affected. no one should forget come election time 2026 and 2028. the uniparty only causes pain. vote all democrats and rinos out of office.
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In reply to 88planoAg • 8:25a, 2/16/25
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88planoAg said:
I agree with taking a chopping block to the federal bloat. I've been cheering on DOGE. But is this the right way to go about trimming the fat?

A family member got a new job and moved his young family across the country last month for the opportunity. Has a 3 year old and one on the way. USDA was his new employer. He was just fired because he was just hired.

I am brokenhearted for them. This is a job in the agricultural industry, his degrees are in botany.
Unions prevent effective reductions. They don't do RIFs solely on performance but consider other factors. Your family member may be more qualified than someone who has worked at USDA for years but all the conditional employees are going first because that is the process. That is also the risk of taking a USG postion. This is compared to my private company that does RIFs solely on performance.
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 8:26a, 2/16/25
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BMX Bandit said:
Do you know a better way than getting rid of unneeded workers?
Yes. Only use performance as the reduction criteria. Do not consider any other factors.
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8:27a, 2/16/25
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In the real world, this would be just another mismanaged company going through mass layoffs. In almost every case, it's done quickly in broad strokes so there's hope the company can survive. Unfortunately, many families are left in despair through no fault of their own. Why should the government be the exception?
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In reply to stallion6 • 8:28a, 2/16/25
stallion6 said:
BMX Bandit said:
Do you know a better way than getting rid of unneeded workers?
Yes. Only use performance as the reduction criteria. Do not consider any other factors.


Huh? That still gets rid of unneeded workers.

Sucks, but this position appears to have not been needed. Wasteful spending
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8:32a, 2/16/25
This happens all the time in the private sector, and yeah it sucks but it's also the reason I will never even consider relocating for a new opportunity without a guaranteed contract.
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 8:33a, 2/16/25
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But it may actually be a needed position, especially with USDA. They are dreadfully short on field inspectors, a job many in management and longevity won't do. Those are usually what these new hires do. So they'll keep the management and bloat but get rid of the people actually doing the job the public wants the USDA to do.
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In reply to 88planoAg • 8:34a, 2/16/25
In government, the leeches that have been there for decades are extremely difficult to fire. The Dems are also playing lawfare and waiting to file lawsuits. He was the low hanging fruit.

If he worked in the private sector, he would still have a job most likely as the older folks with higher salaries would be nuked.

He should be upset with the Democrats.
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In reply to Teslag • 8:35a, 2/16/25
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But it may actually be a needed position,


Sure it "may" be, but it's likely not.

I imagine we will all be quite alright after all this firings take place.
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8:39a, 2/16/25
Blame the unions
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 8:43a, 2/16/25
BMX Bandit said:
stallion6 said:
BMX Bandit said:
Do you know a better way than getting rid of unneeded workers?
Yes. Only use performance as the reduction criteria. Do not consider any other factors.


Huh? That still gets rid of unneeded workers.

Sucks, but this position appears to have not been needed. Wasteful spending


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In reply to 88planoAg • 8:50a, 2/16/25
88planoAg said:
I agree with taking a chopping block to the federal bloat. I've been cheering on DOGE. But is this the right way to go about trimming the fat?

A family member got a new job and moved his young family across the country last month for the opportunity. Has a 3 year old and one on the way. USDA was his new employer. He was just fired because he was just hired.

I am brokenhearted for them. This is a job in the agricultural industry, his degrees are in botany.


That sucks. Sorry man.

This is the worst way to reduce staff. The problem is, as Vivek explained during the campaign, is that if you try to remove federal workers based on performance, you'll end up with endless lawsuits.

That's why the vivek proposed selecting employees at random based on their ssn.

Terrible situation for good people that upended their lives to take a new job.
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In reply to stallion6 • 8:53a, 2/16/25
stallion6 said:
BMX Bandit said:
Do you know a better way than getting rid of unneeded workers?
Yes. Only use performance as the reduction criteria. Do not consider any other factors.
As you know, government employee unions have made it difficult to fire government employees. Probationary employees are much easier to fire. The unions have done this to the probationary employees. But I'm all for firing all of them.
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In reply to 88planoAg • 8:54a, 2/16/25
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88planoAg said:
I agree with taking a chopping block to the federal bloat. I've been cheering on DOGE. But is this the right way to go about trimming the fat?

A family member got a new job and moved his young family across the country last month for the opportunity. Has a 3 year old and one on the way. USDA was his new employer. He was just fired because he was just hired.

I am brokenhearted for them. This is a job in the agricultural industry, his degrees are in botany.


It's sad but this sort of thing happens in the private sector ALL THE TIME.

I've been laid off. My brother has been laid off.

It happens.
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8:56a, 2/16/25
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Sucks that a lot of good people are going to get hurt short term but it never should have gotten to this point to begin with. Thousands will lose their jobs while millions will not get their money stolen by the government any longer.

I feel for those who are without jobs but we can't let those who sin against us by stealing our money get away with it any longer
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8:56a, 2/16/25
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Not unusual to fire the people who just hired on. I've been caught up in downsizing before and it sucks.
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In reply to Seamaster • 9:02a, 2/16/25
Seamaster said:
88planoAg said:
I agree with taking a chopping block to the federal bloat. I've been cheering on DOGE. But is this the right way to go about trimming the fat?

A family member got a new job and moved his young family across the country last month for the opportunity. Has a 3 year old and one on the way. USDA was his new employer. He was just fired because he was just hired.

I am brokenhearted for them. This is a job in the agricultural industry, his degrees are in botany.


It's sad but this sort of thing happens in the private sector ALL THE TIME.

I've been laid off. My brother has been laid off.

It happens.


Yep

I haven't been RIFed, but I was told to uproot my family and move them 1000 miles across the country. If not, I would be fired.

I've seen plenty of coworkers RIFed.
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9:04a, 2/16/25
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Sorry for him and his family.

If he's really good at what he does, and the job actually needs to exist, I would think they "circle back" to him possibly.

As for all of the longer term existing Fed employees, it seems it's really tough on them due to the sense of entitlement being off the charts for job security/promotions/low expectations.
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