Should Grand Tetons National Park be sold off to private interests?

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10:44a, 2/17/25
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Periodic refresher on what is federal land, what's it used for and what's the difference in al of the agencies that oversee it


(Quick enjoyable watch)

Also, hell no! National parks should absolutely remain in the public inventory. I'm the largest proponent of productive land development and am building a career around just that, but 99% of developers are just merchant churn-and-burn as fast as possible and not to be trusted with one-of-a-kind world treasures.
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10:47a, 2/17/25
Absolutely not.
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10:48a, 2/17/25
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Why are y'all taking OP seriously?
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10:48a, 2/17/25

NO! Enough of th country has already sold off.
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11:21a, 2/17/25
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They should utilize ground leases if they can improve the park experience and make some money, but not sell park land.
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In reply to p_bubel • 11:42a, 2/17/25
p_bubel said:
" I'm seeing some talK…"

(Rolls eyes)
OP is full of prunes.
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12:00p, 2/17/25
The number of responses wanting to sell off our public lands is disheartening to say the least.

I thought conservatives would be first in line to protect access to the outdoors. Our public lands are one of the greatest public offerings our great nation maintains.

But yeah, lets sell them to make a rounding error dent in our debt.
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In reply to Hoyt Ag • 12:25p, 2/17/25
Hoyt Ag said:
MemphisAg1 said:
The federal government owns 30% of the land in the US.

Let that sink in -- that is insane!

They could sell half of that and the amount they would still own would be equivalent to Texas multiplied by seven!

Anybody else so deep in debt would sell off some of their real estate to get their financial house in order. The US government shouldn't be any different.


A few points.

First, selling the land won't make a significant impact on our debt so take that off the table. All this will do is overcrowd what is left.

Second, public lands serve a lot of useful purpose that most on this board will never experience, especially in you live in Texas. I live in the middle of 9 million acres of public lands in CO. I can ride my horses, Utvs, fly fish, hike, hunt, camp, explore all within 30 minutes of my home. If that is taken away to private developers, it will become another Aspen full of entitled rich *******s. We don't need any more of those in this world.

Lastly, funding for public land is something I will die on a hill for. As a former National Park employee, I ha seen firsthand the impacts of having our park systems and fully support it's core mission, not the DEI stuff that has infiltrated.

In short, leave public lands the F alone.


Well said and I would add that ANY significant sell off public land out west means bye bye to mule deer & elk populations amongst others. That, in turn, means bye bye to a lot of hunters and stern defenders and advocates of the 2A. It also means more and more staunchly red states flip blue with the ahole libs that will flee to the new Aspen & Vails. Then there goes the senate. Then there goes the country.

Yes. Stay **** out of here.
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In reply to McInnis 03 • 12:55p, 2/17/25
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This.
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In reply to ETFan • 1:00p, 2/17/25
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This.
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In reply to ETFan • 1:16p, 2/17/25
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ETFan said:
The number of responses wanting to sell off our public lands is disheartening to say the least.

I thought conservatives would be first in line to protect access to the outdoors. Our public lands are one of the greatest public offerings our great nation maintains.

But yeah, lets sell them to make a rounding error dent in our debt.
. If you can't afford it, it's your problem. Start your own business or have rich parents. My taxes should not have to pay for your extravagance.
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In reply to Scotty Appleton • 1:19p, 2/17/25
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Scotty Appleton said:
Hoyt Ag said:
MemphisAg1 said:
The federal government owns 30% of the land in the US.

Let that sink in -- that is insane!

They could sell half of that and the amount they would still own would be equivalent to Texas multiplied by seven!

Anybody else so deep in debt would sell off some of their real estate to get their financial house in order. The US government shouldn't be any different.


A few points.

First, selling the land won't make a significant impact on our debt so take that off the table. All this will do is overcrowd what is left.

Second, public lands serve a lot of useful purpose that most on this board will never experience, especially in you live in Texas. I live in the middle of 9 million acres of public lands in CO. I can ride my horses, Utvs, fly fish, hike, hunt, camp, explore all within 30 minutes of my home. If that is taken away to private developers, it will become another Aspen full of entitled rich *******s. We don't need any more of those in this world.

Lastly, funding for public land is something I will die on a hill for. As a former National Park employee, I ha seen firsthand the impacts of having our park systems and fully support it's core mission, not the DEI stuff that has infiltrated.

In short, leave public lands the F alone.


Well said and I would add that ANY significant sell off public land out west means bye bye to mule deer & elk populations amongst others. That, in turn, means bye bye to a lot of hunters and stern defenders and advocates of the 2A. It also means more and more staunchly red states flip blue with the ahole libs that will flee to the new Aspen & Vails. Then there goes the senate. Then there goes the country.

Yes. Stay **** out of here.
. Again. This is not my problem. Why do I have to pay for hunters, park rangers, game wardens etc. It's a waste of tax payer money. I would just buy the land and do what I want. This is America. Take this socialist **** somewhere else.
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In reply to Sq 17 • 1:27p, 2/17/25
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Sq 17 said:
Mookie said:
Knowing our govt, they'd sell it all to china.


I am guessing a tech / crypto Br-oligarch wants to set up his fortress of solitude and 10,000 of prime undeveloped isolated real estate is hard to find

I repeat It's a sign
the rich have run out of stuff to buy
I think that Musk would be more inclined to buy real estate on Mars.

He is generally not big on real estate investments. He doesn't even own a big house.

I don't think that Trump would want to buy rural land unless he can build a big hotel / casino there.

This is a pretty damn big stretch. Let me know if either of these guys own a 1,000 acre ranch that I don't know about.
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1:49p, 2/17/25
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I would bet that the ones who would most strongly oppose selling off public land in many areas would be the local ranchers.

In many areas, a ranch will often include far more federal land use than it does actual deeded acres. Anyone who owns a ranch in those conditions would see an immediate and vast shrinkage in how many cattle they can raise. Yet, that ranch typically costs about what it would have cost if all the property was deeded.
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1:51p, 2/17/25
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No. In fact, out gubment needs to take some of this money they're saving and use it to juice up the funding of our national parks.
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In reply to Maroon Elephant • 1:55p, 2/17/25
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Maroon Elephant said:
No. In fact, out gubment needs to take some of this money they're saving and use it to juice up the funding of our national parks.
. We have a $30 trillion debt, where are these savings you speak of? As long as it doesn't raise my taxes.
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2:11p, 2/17/25
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I am in favor in starting public discussions about selling Grand Teton National Park to distract and upset the Libs.

Not in favor of actually selling.
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 2:17p, 2/17/25
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Yukon Cornelius said:
Federal government owns an insane amount of land. It should be liquidated to pay off debt.
I agree in general. There is a lot of federal land that is not scenic and should be sold. Private ranchers lease millions of acres of federal land for grazing. Selling it to ranchers brings in money and eliminates the need for some federal employee having to manage the leasing.
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In reply to MemphisAg1 • 2:29p, 2/17/25
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MemphisAg1 said:
The federal government owns 30% of the land in the US.

Let that sink in -- that is insane!

They could sell half of that and the amount they would still own would be equivalent to Texas multiplied by seven!

Anybody else so deep in debt would sell off some of their real estate to get their financial house in order. The US government shouldn't be any different.

Umm... no. Texas is 268,596 sq miles. Multiplied by 7 is 1,880,172 sq miles, or just over half of the US.

15% of the land in the USA would be 571,478 sq miles. So if they sold have, it'd be double Texas, not 7.

And most of it is very invaluable. Do we want the Chinese buying up more American property?
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2:48p, 2/17/25
If the fed sells land, who do you think is going to buy it?

China

That sounds like a horrible idea
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In reply to waco_aggie05 • 3:13p, 2/17/25
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waco_aggie05 said:
MemphisAg1 said:
The federal government owns 30% of the land in the US.

Let that sink in -- that is insane!

They could sell half of that and the amount they would still own would be equivalent to Texas multiplied by seven!

Anybody else so deep in debt would sell off some of their real estate to get their financial house in order. The US government shouldn't be any different.

Umm... no. Texas is 268,596 sq miles. Multiplied by 7 is 1,880,172 sq miles, or just over half of the US.

15% of the land in the USA would be 571,478 sq miles. So if they sold have, it'd be double Texas, not 7.
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4:11p, 2/17/25
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If we sold it China would buy it. They probably already own more than 30%.
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In reply to Aggie Apotheosis • 4:15p, 2/17/25
Aggie Apotheosis said:
I'm seeing some talk that Grand Tetons National Park could/might be sold to private interests. Is that something y'all support?

No.

Conservatives should support National Parks.... but also should support a release of a substantial amount of the non-national park lands to the public market.

The amount of Federally owned public lands in the west is absurd.
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4:18p, 2/17/25
It may be worth having the states, where National Parks are, assume the management and law enforcement of those parks. While preserving national park guidelines. Seems it would be more efficient.
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In reply to BTKAG97 • 4:18p, 2/17/25
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BTKAG97 said:
There's a ton of federal land that can and should be sold well before the Grand Tetons. Start with BLM properties way before federal parks.

That and all the unnecessary federal buildings.
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In reply to TAMUallen • 6:05p, 2/17/25
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
Nah. Our national parks are one of the things that make our nation great. Keep them as is.


Have you seen what the public does though?

I'd support a restricted access that comes at a higher price

Grand Tetons are almost completely unspoiled, especially in the higher elevations.

Wyoming Republicans are arguing that the Grand Tetons should be sold off to wealthy individuals, who apparently don't have enough beautiful properties.

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In reply to Captain Pablo • 6:06p, 2/17/25
Captain Pablo said:
Why are y'all taking OP seriously?


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6:29p, 2/17/25
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I don't have any opinion on this, but if the topic was Lucy Pinders grand Tetons, I would gladly provide my thoughts for a hamburger on Tuesday.
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In reply to TyHolden • 6:30p, 2/17/25
TyHolden said:
sell off Yosemite

Agreed. And King's Canyon. Who needs a bunch of 2,000 year-old giant Sequoias? Do you know how many houses can be built from one tree? We can just plant more.
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In reply to Aggie Apotheosis • 6:31p, 2/17/25
What is the private interest? Mining?
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6:54p, 2/17/25
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Absolutely do not sell our National Parks!!!
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8:01p, 2/17/25
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Hell no! It's expensive enough to travel there for the summer without private interest.
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In reply to MookieBlaylock • 8:03p, 2/17/25
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MookieBlaylock said:
No
I would actually say hell no.
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8:05p, 2/17/25
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I mean, if they are selling Jenny Lake, I'm in for tree fiddy.

Crappy land locked oversized fish tank and an unimproved rocky walkway around it.
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8:25p, 2/17/25
Let some of the brokers/scalpers on the TexAgs Ticket Exchange sell it all for top dollar.

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