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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 10:40p, 2/19/25
Kenneth_2003 said:
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Seems like Delta's lawyers just got done watching Landman.
So now we know where their floor is. Or is that the ceiling now? The ceiling is the new floor?
$30k is CHEAP if they sign away right to future legal action


If you got no physical injuries I think you gotta go with a John Madden cruiser strategy here as a measure of damages.

You so traumatized by the crash that it's no longer reasonable for you and your family to travel by plane ever again.

So you need a John Madden cruiser style bus to make you whole again.

$300-400 thousand will get you into a nice Class A RV. Work a deal for around that and you walking away with a win.

Send that offer to Delta and I think you be sitting under the auto-retractible awning of your very own RV by summertime.
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In reply to GAC06 • 10:49p, 2/19/25
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GAC06 said:
coconutED said:
Sea Speed said:
You've literally never heard that bad things happen in threes?
Here you go:

Wednesday 12 February 2025
Quote:
United Express flight flight UA4427, a CRJ-550 operated by GoJet (N549GJ), suffered a runway excursion after landing on runway 11 in snowy conditions at St. Louis Lambert International Airport (STL).



You may board an aircraft without fear once again.


DEI?!?!????
If the problem likely had a human component, such as a ground crew failure to de-ice the runway or something similar, and the St. Louis airport sent out videos bragging about DEI for their ground crews, then it would certainly be a valid question to be asked.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 10:52p, 2/19/25
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Nah. Delta knows they're getting sued for many millions on this. I'm curious if that 30k is deducted from any future settlement. Just seems like a PR move by Delta.
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In reply to CardiffGiant • 10:59p, 2/19/25
This is a JG Wentworth quick settlement kinda deal.

You don't wanna be lumped in with 80 other passengers and a mountain of shared expenses! It's your money and you want it now!

You can almost feel the crisp mountain air this summer as you crack the door to your diesel pusher parked in Glacier national park.
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In reply to GAC06 • 11:16p, 2/19/25
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GAC06 said:
Sea Speed said:
You've literally never heard that bad things happen in threes?


It's nonsense


It's a colloquialism used commonly in America whether it's nonsense or not. I just find it hard to believe that someone hasn't ever heard it. You can probably find 50+ references to it on texags alone.
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In reply to redcrayon • 12:21a, 2/20/25
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redcrayon said:
Too far, man. Yikes.

I mean if I'm shown in time to be 100% wrong, fine. But until then I'm keeping all options open.

But glad to know you're all in on genitalia and color.
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12:23a, 2/20/25
We may well be looking at a 24-year old pilot here that had just graduated with a BS in commercial aviation in winter 2022. Rumored to have struggled with training and was still doing some sort of remedial OJT at the time of the crash as the second pilot was alleged to have been a SIM instructor.

Again, if this is accurate, it seems kinda wild that they be doing this. Outside of the military is it that common to have 24-year old pilots flying anything with 80-passengers in the back?
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In reply to redcrayon • 1:05a, 2/20/25
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Too far, man. Yikes.


Give me a ****ing break.
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1:26a, 2/20/25


Looking like this pilot was a product of an accelerated training program Delta was running called Delta Propel. Partnered with universities around the country where students would get qualified as a flight instructor on prop planes in college and then after graduation they would try and get them qualified on jets.

Also still looking like this was some sort of OJT check-ride situation where the FO was a senior flight trainer for the Delta Propel program.
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In reply to Prosperdick • 1:54a, 2/20/25
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Prosperdick said:
Kenneth_2003 said:
The absurdity is the sense of entitlement by the Internet as a whole thinking their entitled to every shred of data in the first 96 hours.

Well it's just the pilots name
Wait give us their bio. Give us their work history. Bobbie is their education. Give us... Give. Give. Give

The general public is in a need to know basis and for the time being

YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW
Sense of entitlement? The media and other leftist politicians are already blaming Trump for this latest accident so I think it's important for the public to know. If the narrative wasn't set by the left that orange man bad is responsible I don't think we would be clamoring for this information.
be a big boy and stop letting the media and politicians dictate what you "worry about". getting this information in the public isn't going to change how any of that stupidity keeps happening. who exactly are you going to stick it to and win against?
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2:11a, 2/20/25


Besides all that, you can't rely on the media to get to the bottom of this.

Like Elon said, you are the media now.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 3:18a, 2/20/25
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Besides all that, you can't rely on the media to get to the bottom of this.

Like Elon said, you are the media now.
It's quite clear the infrastructure of our government (local, state, fed) (and I guess Canada too) ...... is setup to always delay and obfuscate any information on who the person or persons are that may have screwed up ...... IF ..... said person or persons are one of their protected classes.

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4:34a, 2/20/25
So the names of the flight crew are in the same filing cabinet as Obama's original birth certificate?
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 4:49a, 2/20/25
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:


Looking like this pilot was a product of an accelerated training program Delta was running called Delta Propel. Partnered with universities around the country where students would get qualified as a flight instructor on prop planes in college and then after graduation they would try and get them qualified on jets.

Also still looking like this was some sort of OJT check-ride situation where the FO was a senior flight trainer for the Delta Propel program.
Whelp, if true, that should be the end of that program.
Trump will fix it.
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In reply to techno-ag • 4:58a, 2/20/25
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I think the problem is a global shortage of pilots that is only getting worse. Look at how many planes the airlines in India alone are trying to get delivered over the next 5-10 years, it's stupefying. The US3 way back when used to not have to worry about these things impacting them, but it's a huge problem now.

And everyone is focused on Delta right now but AA has their own similar thing and note at the bottom of the page the focus on diversity. United's had a CEO who dressed in drag so I am almost positive they do the same stuff.

I do think it's silly they won't release the names of the pilots yet, but I don't want to be accused of 'literally melting down' about it.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 6:35a, 2/20/25
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Sim instructors are not the same as line check airmen. The Capt was a sim instructor so this was a regular flight meaning she passed her sim training, passed her operational experience training (flying with passengers with a check airman to give the final blessing for notmal line operations), and is now flying the line.
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6:42a, 2/20/25
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Who would pay extra for a military trained pilot?

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In reply to ETFan • 6:50a, 2/20/25
ETFan said:
Tom Fox said:
techno-ag said:
CanyonAg77 said:
And as we have seen on this very thread, the poison that is DEI, is that you are guilty until proven innocent, if you aren't a straight, white, older, male.

Newsflash: Planes crashed before DEI. They crashed during DEI. If we wipe out the cancer of DEI, they will still crash.
But at least we'll know it wasn't on account of DEI.
This. I would rather have white dudes for anything that is potentially life or freedom threatening. Pilots, Doctors, Lawyers, Police, EMS, Fire fighters, combat arms soldiers and the like. I know they do not want to hire white men, so if they are there, they were selected from the deepest and most competitive applicant pool.

Give me the white dude.


Yikes.


He's right. Given the choice I will always choose a white man. I know it's racist, and I don't care.
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7:18a, 2/20/25
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This DEI push in aviation begs the question of when will the flying public demand info on crews when flying.

We have public postings for food safety in restaurants. Why not have a Rate my Flight Crew system so I can ensure the pilot of my plane meets my expectations for experience / safety?
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 7:36a, 2/20/25
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Nanomachines son said:
ETFan said:
Tom Fox said:
techno-ag said:
CanyonAg77 said:
And as we have seen on this very thread, the poison that is DEI, is that you are guilty until proven innocent, if you aren't a straight, white, older, male.

Newsflash: Planes crashed before DEI. They crashed during DEI. If we wipe out the cancer of DEI, they will still crash.
But at least we'll know it wasn't on account of DEI.
This. I would rather have white dudes for anything that is potentially life or freedom threatening. Pilots, Doctors, Lawyers, Police, EMS, Fire fighters, combat arms soldiers and the like. I know they do not want to hire white men, so if they are there, they were selected from the deepest and most competitive applicant pool.

Give me the white dude.


Yikes.


He's right. Given the choice I will always choose a white man. I know it's racist, and I don't care.
Or the Asian. Those dudes are often discriminated by DEI even more than whites. If one slipped through, you know he's got to be damned good.
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In reply to aTmAg • 8:14a, 2/20/25
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aTmAg said:
Nanomachines son said:
ETFan said:
Tom Fox said:
techno-ag said:
CanyonAg77 said:
And as we have seen on this very thread, the poison that is DEI, is that you are guilty until proven innocent, if you aren't a straight, white, older, male.

Newsflash: Planes crashed before DEI. They crashed during DEI. If we wipe out the cancer of DEI, they will still crash.
But at least we'll know it wasn't on account of DEI.
This. I would rather have white dudes for anything that is potentially life or freedom threatening. Pilots, Doctors, Lawyers, Police, EMS, Fire fighters, combat arms soldiers and the like. I know they do not want to hire white men, so if they are there, they were selected from the deepest and most competitive applicant pool.

Give me the white dude.


Yikes.


He's right. Given the choice I will always choose a white man. I know it's racist, and I don't care.
Or the Asian. Those dudes are often discriminated by DEI even more than whites. If one slipped through, you know he's got to be damned good.


Or trans.
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8:20a, 2/20/25
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All I want is for my pilots to be where they are because of merit and just plain old good piloting skills. I don't care what sex or color, just don't force DEI crap on me and if that offends anyone then Margaret I don't care.
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 8:45a, 2/20/25
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you should probably look up how many white men crash planes
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In reply to sts7049 • 8:46a, 2/20/25
sts7049 said:
you should probably look up how many white men crash planes


You should look up how many white men fly planes.
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In reply to Tom Fox • 8:54a, 2/20/25
Tom Fox said:
sts7049 said:
you should probably look up how many white men crash planes


You should look up how many white men fly planes.


Only because Asians fly "pranes".
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In reply to sts7049 • 8:57a, 2/20/25
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sts7049 said:
Prosperdick said:
Kenneth_2003 said:
The absurdity is the sense of entitlement by the Internet as a whole thinking their entitled to every shred of data in the first 96 hours.

Well it's just the pilots name
Wait give us their bio. Give us their work history. Bobbie is their education. Give us... Give. Give. Give

The general public is in a need to know basis and for the time being

YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW
Sense of entitlement? The media and other leftist politicians are already blaming Trump for this latest accident so I think it's important for the public to know. If the narrative wasn't set by the left that orange man bad is responsible I don't think we would be clamoring for this information.
be a big boy and stop letting the media and politicians dictate what you "worry about". getting this information in the public isn't going to change how any of that stupidity keeps happening. who exactly are you going to stick it to and win against?
OK dude or whoever you are. I'm worried that our aviation has been taken over by woke ideology pushing DEI nonsense. It's one thing to "go woke go broke" but when it's "go woke go crash" that's when I get concerned about my personal safety flying in an aircraft as well as my friends and family.

If this was a DEI hired pilot who put 80 lives at risk I want that to be made VERY public so pressure can be applied to quickly reverse the hiring practices across all of our airlines.

Merit based hiring ONLY.

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9:01a, 2/20/25
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Almost guaranteed a woman was flying given we haven't heard anything yet.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 9:01a, 2/20/25
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Kenneth_2003 said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:


Seems like Delta's lawyers just got done watching Landman.
So now we know where their floor is. Or is that the ceiling now? The ceiling is the new floor?
$30k is CHEAP if they sign away right to future legal action


If you got no physical injuries I think you gotta go with a John Madden cruiser strategy here as a measure of damages.

You so traumatized by the crash that it's no longer reasonable for you and your family to travel by plane ever again.

So you need a John Madden cruiser style bus to make you whole again.

$300-400 thousand will get you into a nice Class A RV. Work a deal for around that and you walking away with a win.

Send that offer to Delta and I think you be sitting under the auto-retractible awning of your very own RV by summertime.
Interesting update I heard on the TV this morning...

The $30k has NO strings attached! So you can get your $30k now, and mid summer you can have that ClassA pusher in time for Football Season!
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In reply to Rapier108 • 9:08a, 2/20/25
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Kenneth_2003 said:
The absurdity is the sense of entitlement by the Internet as a whole thinking their entitled to every shred of data in the first 96 hours.

Well it's just the pilots name
Wait give us their bio. Give us their work history. Bobbie is their education. Give us... Give. Give. Give

The general public is in a need to know basis and for the time being

YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW
After the DCA crash, we had people here having literal meltdowns because they wanted to name of the female pilot on the Blackhawk.
You still there?

I want to see your list of the posters who were having literal meltdowns.




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In reply to nortex97 • 9:13a, 2/20/25
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No matter how much dei is pushed by these companies, when something happens and the plebes start talking about dei, they are just conspiracy theorists or insane or, as you said, literally melting down. Dei in hiring is so prevalent i truly don't understand how you couldn't look at things like this through that lens.
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In reply to Tom Fox • 9:17a, 2/20/25
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Tom Fox said:
sts7049 said:
you should probably look up how many white men crash planes


You should look up how many white men fly planes.
according to people here, not many.

does it matter if they are gay white men? or are they not OK either?
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In reply to sts7049 • 9:19a, 2/20/25
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sts7049 said:
Tom Fox said:
sts7049 said:
you should probably look up how many white men crash planes


You should look up how many white men fly planes.
according to people here, not many.

does it matter if they are gay white men? or are they not OK either?
Depends on how well they can control the stick during flight, no?
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In reply to aTmAg • 9:24a, 2/20/25
aTmAg said:
Nanomachines son said:
ETFan said:
Tom Fox said:
techno-ag said:
CanyonAg77 said:
And as we have seen on this very thread, the poison that is DEI, is that you are guilty until proven innocent, if you aren't a straight, white, older, male.

Newsflash: Planes crashed before DEI. They crashed during DEI. If we wipe out the cancer of DEI, they will still crash.
But at least we'll know it wasn't on account of DEI.
This. I would rather have white dudes for anything that is potentially life or freedom threatening. Pilots, Doctors, Lawyers, Police, EMS, Fire fighters, combat arms soldiers and the like. I know they do not want to hire white men, so if they are there, they were selected from the deepest and most competitive applicant pool.

Give me the white dude.


Yikes.


He's right. Given the choice I will always choose a white man. I know it's racist, and I don't care.
Or the Asian. Those dudes are often discriminated by DEI even more than whites. If one slipped through, you know he's got to be damned good.


No Asians either, many of them come through on exchange programs for certain careers and their approval or certification processes in their home nations are often Les rigorous than ours.

If they were trained here then fine but there is often no way to tell by name alone unless they have an American first name, which thankfully many of them do.
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In reply to sts7049 • 9:36a, 2/20/25
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sts7049 said:
Tom Fox said:
sts7049 said:
you should probably look up how many white men crash planes


You should look up how many white men fly planes.
according to people here, not many.

does it matter if they are gay white men? or are they not OK either?
What part of merit based hiring do you not understand?

For something as critical as flying an aircraft of hundreds of souls I want the VERY best pilots hired and I could care less what race/gender/creed they are but when hiring is based on DEI by definition it means merit takes a back seat. That's unacceptable.
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In reply to Prosperdick • 9:52a, 2/20/25
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i was talking to the guy who says he only wants a white pilot
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