Dems can feel free to turn down the check and have it go to USAID.

MemphisAg1 said:

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Rebates should only be sent to people who actually pay income tax on a net basis.

Those who don't pay income tax or get refunds greater than their tax due have no skin in the game.

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You know, some refunds are given to those folks who have overpaid their fair share of taxes. Should they be excluded?

AggieZUUL said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Rebates should only be sent to people who actually pay income tax on a net basis.

Those who don't pay income tax or get refunds greater than their tax due have no skin in the game.

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You know, some refunds are given to those folks who have overpaid their fair share of taxes. Should they be excluded?

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Of course not.

AggieZUUL said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Rebates should only be sent to people who actually pay income tax on a net basis.

Those who don't pay income tax or get refunds greater than their tax due have no skin in the game.

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You know, some refunds are given to those folks who have overpaid their fair share of taxes. Should they be excluded?

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I believe that's why he phrased it as "refunds greater than their tax due".

36T in debt and these guys want to have a refund party?

Bad bad.

Inb4 the "refunds are not even 0.01% of the national debt".

dreyOO said:

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I hear you guys that wanna pay down the debt. That's exactly how I manage my own finances.

But this is also about winning the optics battle with a huge mass of uneducated idiots. I'm ok with getting a rebate until they can prove that less of my money is being routed to a corrupt cause.

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This. Something tangible for the public.

Madman said:

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I don't need the money but lots of people right now do.

When I look at the median household income for Houston I shake my head and wonder how they do it.

Not even coming close to bragging here about my income as most people on this board probably have a nicer house, car etc than I do. I am just saying the idea that lots of people are struggling to pay for food is a real thing right now.

But while I might lack in income I do have a lovely singing voice, play the flute, and have many leather bound books.

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You say that people are struggling and need money to pay for food.
Many others here (not you) also say that "everyone needs to have skin in the game" and "everyone needs to be taxed the same".

Both these arguments don't go well together.

Steve the homeless guy just is looking to pay for a place to stay, food etc. He doesn't care about balancing the budget, Ukraine, the stock market, tariffs. Why does he care about having skin in the game? So why tax him when he is a dumpster diver?

Some people here (not you) are amazing.

This is how you get everyone who is not on the government teet to be okay with the government cuts and to stop listening to the sob stories of useless non-productive government workers.

bigblock said:

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What about the leeches that don't pay taxes? Are they going to get said dividend.

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They will get DOGE credits that will be double what you receive. It's only fair.

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Madman said:

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I don't need the money but lots of people right now do.

When I look at the median household income for Houston I shake my head and wonder how they do it.

Not even coming close to bragging here about my income as most people on this board probably have a nicer house, car etc than I do. I am just saying the idea that lots of people are struggling to pay for food is a real thing right now.

But while I might lack in income I do have a lovely singing voice, play the flute, and have many leather bound books.

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You say that people are struggling and need money to pay for food.
Many others here (not you) also say that "everyone needs to have skin in the game" and "everyone needs to be taxed the same".

Both these arguments don't go well together.

Steve the homeless guy just is looking to pay for a place to stay, food etc. He doesn't care about balancing the budget, Ukraine, the stock market, tariffs. Why does he care about having skin in the game? So why tax him when he is a dumpster diver?

Some people here (not you) are amazing.

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On one hand you make a good point....why should the homeless person care about having skin in the game and want to pay taxes?

That is why having some sort of qualifier for voting is important. Then the people who are voting care about the systems we have set up.

The people who are at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder are afraid that the people at the top are going to vote for policies that hurt them or take advantage of them because that is the way that it works in oligarchies.

In reality what democracies see is tyranny of the unproductive lower class members of society because they can impose their will via pure numbers.

So what we have seen is the top .01% manipulate the media and through propaganda manipulate the bottom 55% into voting in politicians that throw the bottom 55% bread crumbs to keep them just satisfied enough to keep voting in politicians that in reality favor the top .01%.

And the people that get screwed are the middle 45% but they do not have enough voting power to make an impact.

So the richest .01% vote in laws that make them richer and siphon off wealth from the middle class while tossing crumbs to the lowest 55% so that the lowest 55% vote to keep themselves in perpetual poverty but supported by the middle 45% via their tax dollars.

IF Everyone had to have skin in the game to vote the middle 45% would vote for politicians that favored the middle 45% of people and we would have

1) more moderate politicians
2) a thriving middle class
3) a top .01% of the population who were scared and motivated to keep the middle 45% appeased/not interfere with them and want to work with them.
4) people at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder striving to get to a point to where they could have skin in the game.

AndAg said:

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Pay down the debt! I don't need a refund if we're actually caring about our future.

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Rand Paul talking on the radio this morning about RESCISSION of funds back to the Treasury

this needs to be legislation passed by both houses and the POTUS to sign

Pizza said:

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Not sure if more economic stimulation is a good thing at the moment...I'd prefer all of it going towards national debt in some way or another.

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Send your share back

A DOGE payout?


How about we skip a payout and just tell the American tax payer that you can now turn in your taxes and pay nothing! File your taxes and those tax dollars taken, will be given back. Those tax dollars owed, will have been forgiven.

This way, those that do not pay taxes, do not get the adjustment.

Not sure Im a fan of cutting checks to everyone. The COVID checks caused a lot of problems.

AndAg said:

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Pay down the debt! I don't need a refund if we're actually caring about our future.

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You can always cut a check back to the feds if you want.

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Pizza said:

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Not sure if more economic stimulation is a good thing at the moment...I'd prefer all of it going towards national debt in some way or another.

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Send your share back

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You don't seem to have understood the discussion.

This is not about giving A or B a choice about what to do with their refund. It is about what should the President do with the money in national interest. Both are different issues.

If you were Trump, what would you do? And why?

BCSWguru said:

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Not sure Im a fan of cutting checks to everyone. The COVID checks caused a lot of problems.

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There are a lot of people on this board swimming in debt, hence the short term thinking of "gimme my refund". The $500 they get will go to rent or some credit card with astronomical APRs.

If they had managed their money well and not run up huge balances to compete with some rich spender, they would be taking more long term decisions.

Sad but true.

I remember 20 years ago, our management emailed us saying the payment system had a problem, they would pay us the following Monday instead of Friday. If anyone wanted payment on Friday stop by the office and get a check. One fellow did. I asked him why and he got a glassy look on his face and said "I need to money... I need th money....". He was a UX designer, not a janitor or something. I am sure he lived paycheck to paycheck.

If I was trump I would eliminate wasteful spending, dramatically reduce the size of the feral government, re-install tariffs to fund the federal government, and eliminate the income tax.

I would eliminate the federal reserve and bring the dollar back to a gold standard.

Essentially, I would follow the US Constitution.

Pay the ****ing debt... I don't give a damn about the politics of this or the optics... we keep saying the point in DOGE is that we are expecting the federal government to run like the private sphere where you can't print money. Well, private businesses that have been losing money for longer than I've been alive don't pay out dividends.

This would be a horrible idea as far as inflation goes.

Then when these refunds stop coming, they will cry that Trump raised taxes.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/02/elon-musk-endorses-doge-dividend-payments-would-send/

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(Musk: )Few in America knew precisely what to expect from DOGE. The early perceived turbulence around leadership, the uncertainty around legal structure, and the lack of precedent for such a bold initiative created a sense of "show me" with DOGE. Just a month into President Trump's second term, DOGE is delivering. Full stop.

With DOGE reportedly achieving $1 billion in savings per day, President Trump has an opportunity to work with Congress to take DOGE one step further and deliver what we at Azoria call the "DOGE Dividend," a tax refund check to be sent after the expiration of DOGE in July 2026 funded exclusively with a portion of the total savings delivered by DOGE.(/ Musk)

However, the idea comes with some caveats, including that all recipients must be paying federal income tax in order to qualify…

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Cibalo said:

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So the Top 1% going to get 40% of the refund right?

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What percentage of the tax bill did they pay?

This money is theft of the American people and should be returned. #DOGEreparations

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Cibalo said:

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So the Top 1% going to get 40% of the refund right?

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What percentage of the tax bill did they pay?

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40.4%. Seems fair to me.

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Cibalo said:

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So the Top 1% going to get 40% of the refund right?

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What percentage of the tax bill did they pay?

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https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-data-2025/




But you know the rich need to pay their fair share

*PRESIDENT TRUMP: WE ARE CONSIDERING GIVING 20% OF DOGE SAVINGS BACK TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND USING 20% TO PAY DOWN U.S. NATIONAL DEBT

— Stock Talk (@stocktalkweekly) February 19, 2025

That leaves 60% for the Big Guy?

60% of the time works every time.

In Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here," the dictator promised $5000 to every American. The money didn't show up, but secret police and concentration camps did.

Anyway, hope this goes exactly as it's likely to go.

FlyRod said:

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In Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here," the dictator promised $5000 to every American. The money didn't show up, but secret police and concentration camps did.

Anyway, hope this goes exactly as it's likely to go.

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