Here come the concerned moderates to gatekeep

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Farmer_J
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9:13p, 2/18/25
Right on queue, the concerned moderates (who we're secretly supporting Trump all along) are here to offer us some advice about winning.

I don't want to believe it, but Cerno makes a pretty strong case against Jordan Peterson being hijacked along the way. Eric Weinstein is definitely an op. Bari Weiss lol!






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11:42p, 2/18/25
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Jordon Peterson, a card carrying "classic liberal" that does not identify with conservatives, but is scared to death of the Marxist death march this country has been going down due to his lifelong study of the horrors of communism, is accused of what, exactly? Bad political strategy?

He thought that Kavanaugh was "too divisive" and should step down. He said nothing about whether or not Kavanaugh was a good pick.

This is a man who got fired from his job, and lost his license to practice therapy, because he refused to use DEI pronouns.

There is a reason why Trump is POTUS and JP is not. JP refuses to bow to Marxists that demand subordination. Trump punches those same Marxists demanding subordination in the mouth, and then double foot drop-kicks them right in the pocketbook, sending them through the press table.

JP is a fine intellectual, and his review of the importance of the Bible in the foundation of Western philosophy and the reasons for the West's success, and his arguments that Nietzsche was wrong, is a giant gift to MAGA. He, more than any single other individual (well, except maybe Rogan) is more responsible for the youngest of our male voters swinging hard right.

If you disagree with me, give him a listen.

And clean your room.
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11:46p, 2/18/25
Nobody cares what these fools think or say
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In reply to BusterAg • 11:54p, 2/18/25
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BusterAg said:
There is a reason why Trump is POTUS and JP is not.
Because JP is Canadian?

But yes, trying to throw JP under a bus is exceptionally moronic.
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In reply to BTKAG97 • 11:57p, 2/18/25
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BTKAG97 said:
BusterAg said:
There is a reason why Trump is POTUS and JP is not.
Because JP is Canadian?

But yes, trying to throw JP under a bus is exceptionally moronic.
Well, also that. Not a natural born US citizen, so not eligible.

But, my point remains. He's a fantastic intellectual, not a politician. He would be infinitely better as Canadian prime minister than the Castro-wannabe, because anything divided by zero is infinite.
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11:57p, 2/18/25
Teslag will be none to pleased with this post, since he sold out people not taking the vax.
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12:25a, 2/19/25
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Jordan Peterson apparently simply made a wrong call. He believed the Kavanaugh claims (which is an option) and then was thinking strategically about it being too divisive a pick to win through. Nothing very sinister about that-- just mistake. His bona-fides as an anti-Left and even forefront in trying to restore the role of men in the wave of all the gender bender and feminist extremes is high energy, to say the least. If not supporting Kavanaugh is the only basis, doesn't wash.
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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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12:51a, 2/19/25
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JP has 522+ podcasts that are 90 to 120 minutes long available to the public, and many youtube videos of his lectures from decades ago, and this is the best they can come up with against him?

Way over 1,000 hours of video, and you are going with this?

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In reply to BusterAg • 4:37a, 2/19/25

I've read and watched everything of JP's. I probably introduced him to most people on this board. That's why I said I didn't want to believe it.

I thought Cerno was craziy the first time he brought it up too. But then again that's how gatekeeping works. Apparently, JP signed with the big media company a few years ago and overnight started to avoid certain "Maga" topics.. His daughter has said some pretty stupid things lately.too on US politics. CM stuff, which is rich given that they both fled canada.
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In reply to Farmer_J • 5:05a, 2/19/25
Bari Weiss got slightly red-pilled over the Twitter Files, but she's digressing back to her liberal roots.
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In reply to ts5641 • 5:13a, 2/19/25
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Bari Weiss got slightly red-pilled over the Twitter Files, but she's digressing back to her liberal roots.


Yeah, in the mist of the Twitter files, she goes after Elon over something trivial to show how unbiased she is. She's kamala harris level stupid.
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5:20a, 2/19/25
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Jordan Peterson has a lot of good stuff out there on the interwebs. The fact he's Canadian also means I don't care what his opinions are on US politics.
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In reply to Admiral_ZAX • 5:23a, 2/19/25
Him and his daughter both live in Florida now.
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5:59a, 2/19/25

James Lindsay is another interesting case. Intellectual thought leader against the marxist left. Loved his work.

But as Trump became more popular and the election was a landslide - what was lindsey's biggest concern? The 'woke right'. He became insufferable with constantly trying to compare
Maga as just as bad as the left. Anyone who uses the term woke right is definitely part of the psyop.


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6:24a, 2/19/25
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Turning on Jordan Peterson like that may be the most MAGA thing so far this year
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6:35a, 2/19/25
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This is the same Jordan Peterson who did a full hour show on Trump and his X-men that will change the direction of the United States for the good.

Some of yall neeed to step back. MIs-information is running rampant. This Cernovich character is trying to get clicks.
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6:42a, 2/19/25
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They're not all birds of a feather.

Disagreement at times is normal and healthy.

Nobody is perfect.

That said, I have always been very suspicious of Bari Weiss…for several reasons.
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In reply to BusterAg • 6:49a, 2/19/25
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In reply to BusterAg • 6:52a, 2/19/25
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BusterAg said:
BTKAG97 said:
BusterAg said:
There is a reason why Trump is POTUS and JP is not.
Because JP is Canadian?

But yes, trying to throw JP under a bus is exceptionally moronic.
Well, also that. Not a natural born US citizen, so not eligible.

But, my point remains. He's a fantastic intellectual, not a politician. He would be infinitely better as Canadian prime minister than the Castro-wannabe, because anything divided by zero is infinite .


No it isn't…

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6:55a, 2/19/25
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"Woke Right" is definitely the new label being applied.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/woke-right/681716/
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In reply to Dave Robicheaux • 7:03a, 2/19/25
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This is the same Jordan Peterson who did a full hour show on Trump and his X-men that will change the direction of the United States for the good.

Some of yall neeed to step back. MIs-information is running rampant. This Cernovich character is trying to get clicks.


Clearly you don't know who Cernovich is. He's the one that got the Epstein files unsealed. He produced a documentary hoaxed that was universally banned. He's been in the game a long time. If he says something, you should take it seriously.

Maybe cerno is overreacting a little with JP. The others are definitely grifters. I don't think JP has been the same since his benzo incident. He may just be a little naive of politics or undoubtedly influenced by media handlers.
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In reply to BusterAg • 7:09a, 2/19/25
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This is a man who got fired from his job, and lost his license to practice therapy, because he refused to use DEI pronouns.

Sort of. He's said many times that he doesn't have a problem calling someone what they want to be called. His problem with the situation was 'government required compelled speech'. He doesn't agree with the concept of the government forcing you to use certain words. That goes against the concept of free speech.

And BTW, I don't think that's why he was fired. He was fired because the other academics couldn't handle his political stances. They told hime he'd have to basically subject himself to some kind of 're-education' done by a committee of left wing academics, and he refused to do it. The DEI pronouns were just the issue that brought his philosophy to the fore.
Greater love hath no man than this....
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7:22a, 2/19/25
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Everyone should consider that a person's politics/policy positions are not fixed in concrete. People change as they grow older. A 25 year old doesn't have a completely formed brain, it certainly isn't completely informed.
A person's attitudes and beliefs are also heavily influenced by life environment. Did he/she change jobs and now works where previously held beliefs are a danger to the personal bottom line? People are capable of justifying drastic changes of attitude in their own minds.

No one's politics should be considered static. Only extremely principled and pragmatic people are capable of maintaining political stability in the face of all external influences. Those who are not that disciplined have a very difficult time even adhering to the principles set out in the US Constitution.
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In reply to flyrancher • 7:43a, 2/19/25
That's true, but it's not what we're discussing here.

For the last 50 years, every time the Republicans have gotten into power, there magically appears a group of so-called Republicans or conservatives that convince everyone we need to moderate and share power. And then we get stabbed in the back and have to start all over

We're not falling for it this time. We know how the game is played.
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In reply to Farmer_J • 7:57a, 2/19/25
Farmer_J said:

I've read and watched everything of JP's. I probably introduced him to most people on this board.

I'm Gipper
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In reply to Farmer_J • 8:49a, 2/19/25
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Farmer_J said:

I've read and watched everything of JP's. I probably introduced him to most people on this board. That's why I said I didn't want to believe it.

I thought Cerno was craziy the first time he brought it up too. But then again that's how gatekeeping works. Apparently, JP signed with the big media company a few years ago and overnight started to avoid certain "Maga" topics.. His daughter has said some pretty stupid things lately.too on US politics. CM stuff, which is rich given that they both fled canada.
This board did not introduce me to JP. Maybe cool your jets a bit.

Feel free to talk in specifics here as opposed to baseless generalized accusations.

What big media company did JP sign up with? Daily Wire?

What Maga topics did he avoid?

One thing I like about JP is that he actively looks for information that challenges his previous assumptions or conclusions. It has been fascinating watching JP be transformed over the past few years.

Quiz: what has been the major transition of JP that took about a decade to come to fruition, and how did that happen?
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In reply to Farmer_J • 8:51a, 2/19/25
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Farmer_J said:
Him and his daughter both live in Florida now.
I just want to note that they are both in the country legally.
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In reply to VitruvianAg • 8:52a, 2/19/25
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UNDIFINED!
Math terminology nerds are almost as bad as grammar police. And, we all know that grammar police all go to hell.

I worry a bit about your soul.
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In reply to Farmer_J • 8:56a, 2/19/25
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Farmer_J said:
Dave Robicheaux said:
This is the same Jordan Peterson who did a full hour show on Trump and his X-men that will change the direction of the United States for the good.

Some of yall neeed to step back. MIs-information is running rampant. This Cernovich character is trying to get clicks.


Clearly you don't know who Cernovich is. He's the one that got the Epstein files unsealed. He produced a documentary hoaxed that was universally banned. He's been in the game a long time. If he says something, you should take it seriously.

Maybe cerno is overreacting a little with JP. The others are definitely grifters. I don't think JP has been the same since his benzo incident. He may just be a little naive of politics or undoubtedly influenced by media handlers.
Feel free to talk in specifics as opposed to baseless generalizations.

How exactly has JP changed since his recovery from an extremely hard to recover from disease? The fact that he had a crazy bad benzo addiction and recovered is a feather in his hat, not a ch-ink in his armor. That disease eventually claims the life of most people that fall into it.

How is he naive of politics? How has positions changed based on his media handlers?
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In reply to BusterAg • 8:59a, 2/19/25
BusterAg said:
Farmer_J said:

I've read and watched everything of JP's. I probably introduced him to most people on this board. That's why I said I didn't want to believe it.

I thought Cerno was craziy the first time he brought it up too. But then again that's how gatekeeping works. Apparently, JP signed with the big media company a few years ago and overnight started to avoid certain "Maga" topics.. His daughter has said some pretty stupid things lately.too on US politics. CM stuff, which is rich given that they both fled canada.
This board did not introduce me to JP. Maybe cool your jets a bit.

Feel free to talk in specifics here as opposed to baseless generalized accusations.

What big media company did JP sign up with? Daily Wire?

What Maga topics did he avoid?

One thing I like about JP is that he actively looks for information that challenges his previous assumptions or conclusions. It has been fascinating watching JP be transformed over the past few years.

Quiz: what has been the major transition of JP that took about a decade to come to fruition, and how did that happen?


You don't knkw as much as you think you do. Did you know who Cerno was before 2 mins ago?

Sometime around 2018, JP signed with Creative Arts Agency (CAA), the same firm that helped Harvey Weinstein.

Messaging changed overnight. He mass unfollowed people who gave him his start, and he stopped retweeting people who had helped him.
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In reply to rwtxag83 • 9:01a, 2/19/25
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rwtxag83 said:
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This is a man who got fired from his job, and lost his license to practice therapy, because he refused to use DEI pronouns.

Sort of. He's said many times that he doesn't have a problem calling someone what they want to be called. His problem with the situation was 'government required compelled speech'. He doesn't agree with the concept of the government forcing you to use certain words. That goes against the concept of free speech.

And BTW, I don't think that's why he was fired. He was fired because the other academics couldn't handle his political stances. They told hime he'd have to basically subject himself to some kind of 're-education' done by a committee of left wing academics, and he refused to do it. The DEI pronouns were just the issue that brought his philosophy to the fore.
I agree with all of that. You added the nuance, but I stand by my statement as true. He did get fired. The reason used for his termination is that he refused to use DEI pronouns because they were forced speech based on Canadian law.

Thank you for the context though. He's not rude, he will treat everyone with respect if you treat him with respect. But he won't bend the knee to forced speech. Honorable.

But, it's dangerous to cross swords with him. He thinks faster than the normal human being, and if you get cross with him, he is very likely to raise an eyebrow, grimace a bit, and then politely intellectually grin **** you.
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In reply to Farmer_J • 9:02a, 2/19/25
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Farmer_J said:
BusterAg said:
Farmer_J said:

I've read and watched everything of JP's. I probably introduced him to most people on this board. That's why I said I didn't want to believe it.

I thought Cerno was craziy the first time he brought it up too. But then again that's how gatekeeping works. Apparently, JP signed with the big media company a few years ago and overnight started to avoid certain "Maga" topics.. His daughter has said some pretty stupid things lately.too on US politics. CM stuff, which is rich given that they both fled canada.
This board did not introduce me to JP. Maybe cool your jets a bit.

Feel free to talk in specifics here as opposed to baseless generalized accusations.

What big media company did JP sign up with? Daily Wire?

What Maga topics did he avoid?

One thing I like about JP is that he actively looks for information that challenges his previous assumptions or conclusions. It has been fascinating watching JP be transformed over the past few years.

Quiz: what has been the major transition of JP that took about a decade to come to fruition, and how did that happen?


You don't knkw as much as you think you do. Did you know who Cerno was before 2 mins ago?

Sometime around 2018, JP signed with Creative Arts Agency (CAA), the same firm that helped Harvey Weinstein.

Messaging changed overnight. He mass unfollowed people who gave him his start, and he stopped retweeting people who had helped him.
What kind of people did he mass unfollow? What kind of people that helped him did he stop retweeting? How has his position changed since CAA?

Also, I'm not attacking Cerno as a person. He might be a great guy that just got this one wrong, similar to JP getting the Kavanaugh thing wrong. Great people also make mistakes.

Where exactly am I ignorant, by the way? Ad hominin attacks are the tool of the intellectually weak.
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9:26a, 2/19/25
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I'll speak for the classical liberal/libertarian faction that's concerned the bureaucratic reductions and doge-inspired spending cuts aren't dramatic enough and are easily reversible. At the same time, these cuts could motivate the blue team to bolster political support and emotional firepower, potentially causing a whipsaw effect that leads to greater government overreach when they regain power.

We already saw the expansion of government during the Biden presidency as a post-Trump reaction. Now imagine what happens if the public becomes dissatisfied and disillusioned during a time austerity and following this Trump administration.
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In reply to rwtxag83 • 9:35a, 2/19/25
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rwtxag83 said:
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This is a man who got fired from his job, and lost his license to practice therapy, because he refused to use DEI pronouns.

Sort of. He's said many times that he doesn't have a problem calling someone what they want to be called. His problem with the situation was 'government required compelled speech'. He doesn't agree with the concept of the government forcing you to use certain words. That goes against the concept of free speech.

And BTW, I don't think that's why he was fired. He was fired because the other academics couldn't handle his political stances. They told hime he'd have to basically subject himself to some kind of 're-education' done by a committee of left wing academics, and he refused to do it. The DEI pronouns were just the issue that brought his philosophy to the fore.
I don't think he refused the re-education. I thought that the courts couldn't find anyone who would sit in a room with him and try to re-educate him. He said he would record and broadcast all of it online and no one wanted to get shown to be a fool in front of him.
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In reply to Farmer_J • 12:51p, 2/19/25
Farmer_J said:
BusterAg said:
Farmer_J said:

I've read and watched everything of JP's. I probably introduced him to most people on this board. That's why I said I didn't want to believe it.

I thought Cerno was craziy the first time he brought it up too. But then again that's how gatekeeping works. Apparently, JP signed with the big media company a few years ago and overnight started to avoid certain "Maga" topics.. His daughter has said some pretty stupid things lately.too on US politics. CM stuff, which is rich given that they both fled canada.
This board did not introduce me to JP. Maybe cool your jets a bit.

Feel free to talk in specifics here as opposed to baseless generalized accusations.

What big media company did JP sign up with? Daily Wire?

What Maga topics did he avoid?

One thing I like about JP is that he actively looks for information that challenges his previous assumptions or conclusions. It has been fascinating watching JP be transformed over the past few years.

Quiz: what has been the major transition of JP that took about a decade to come to fruition, and how did that happen?


You don't knkw as much as you think you do. Did you know who Cerno was before 2 mins ago?

Sometime around 2018, JP signed with Creative Arts Agency (CAA), the same firm that helped Harvey Weinstein.

Messaging changed overnight. He mass unfollowed people who gave him his start, and he stopped retweeting people who had helped him.


If you have watched as much JP as you claim and take anything Cerno says about him seriously I really, really don't know what to tell you.

It blows my mind how anyone could be this easily fooled. Cerno has some good takes but this one is so obviously stupid it should never have been propagated. Both JP and Eric Weinstien have been who they say they've been for decades. It's very easy to verify this. They both have reams of published works long before either became famous.

If I had to guess, Cerno is getting jelly about the spotlight.
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