infinity ag said:

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...If there are 100 jobs available and 1000 competent people, how will they all find jobs? 100 will, what about the 900? Start a business? No one is buying anything because of market conditions. Basic demand and supply.

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According to statistics provided by your beloved government, the job market is strong.

infinity ag said:

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captkirk said:

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infinity ag said:

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Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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...how? In the worst job market in decades, mid recession, when people with 15 and 20 years of relevant experience are begging for work, and double digital percentages of the population are either unemployed or working below the poverty line.... how are they going to magically find work?

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Because skills and skillful people are always in high demand. In hard times, the best thrive. Be the best. You'll get hired.

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Another canned answer that was probably swiped from a radio talk show with no basis in reality.

If there are 100 jobs available and 1000 competent people, how will they all find jobs? 100 will, what about the 900? Start a business? No one is buying anything because of market conditions. Basic demand and supply.

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Federal employment is not a jobs program.

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Oh? Then why do we give taxpayer money to corps as "tax breaks"?
The Govt is not in the business of paying corps to do business either. But they do.

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Tax brakes are paying corporations now? I guess if you assume all money belongs to the government.

captkirk said:

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infinity ag said:

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Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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...how? In the worst job market in decades, mid recession, when people with 15 and 20 years of relevant experience are begging for work, and double digital percentages of the population are either unemployed or working below the poverty line.... how are they going to magically find work?

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Because skills and skillful people are always in high demand. In hard times, the best thrive. Be the best. You'll get hired.

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Another canned answer that was probably swiped from a radio talk show with no basis in reality.

If there are 100 jobs available and 1000 competent people, how will they all find jobs? 100 will, what about the 900? Start a business? No one is buying anything because of market conditions. Basic demand and supply.

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Federal employment is not a jobs program.

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Exactly. I'm not sure what this poster is trying to argue. Do we owe them a job? Give me a ****ing break.


I think we should just stop engaging these nonsense posts. It's happening, let's just let it happen.

infinity ag said:

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Now you know why I hate US CEOs. Same logic.

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Eh, I don't HATE them. Their job is to maximize profits for their shareholders. Does it suck when you're on the losing end come crunch time? Absolutely. But, I know that going into the job and I don't cry on social media about how unfair it is when it happens.

I'm now in O&G and get paid pretty well for what I do. Good benefits, work from home. The trade-off is high stress environment, REALLY high expectations on output, and the risk that another Biden will get elected and completely tank the industry. It's a risk I knew, and a risk I accepted. I've been lucky & skilled enough that with every other layoff, I've been able to land somewhere else quickly. And the new position has been better & higher pay than the position I was laid off from.

God forbid I get laid off again, I've worked hard to build my skill set, accomplish a lot of big things to put on a resume, and build my network. I didn't just sit back and take it for granted.

Been laid off. My job became looking for a job 8-10 hours a day.

I think for a lot of people they think it is spamming resumes and taking a long vacation.

Ags4DaWin said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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...how? In the worst job market in decades, mid recession, when people with 15 and 20 years of relevant experience are begging for work, and double digital percentages of the population are either unemployed or working below the poverty line.... how are they going to magically find work?

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For the past 8 years we have been told there are not enough American workers so we need illegal immigrants, H1-B visa holders, and that the economy is great. If that is true then there are jobs available.

Maybe they can learn to....code?

IDK...and frankly at this point, don't care.

I am not willing to kill the future of my kids and grandkids and the country to save government workers from having to go out and find a new job.

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For the past 8 years we have been told there are not enough American workers so we need illegal immigrants, H1-B visa holders, and that the economy is great. If that is true then there are jobs available.

Repeated for emphasis

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I have as much sympathy for them as they had for me when I was laid....either time.

First layoff: Top performer on the team, but company decided to outsource the function I provided and the company was only keeping 2 of the 10 of us on staff. And the "most fair" way they decided who to keep was by going straight seniority. So I got the ax.

Second layoff: Hired to centralize a department from 20+ regions to 1 location at corporate. The regions kept crying that they didn't have enough control (nevermind that we were actually seeing quantifiable efficiencies and able to negotiate better deals bc of pooled resources.). The "perception" was that it was all better done locally, even though the numbers didn't agree. Regions kept screaming, so corporate decided to appease them and disband our entire department. 30+ people laid off with no notice.

Did government workers cry for me either of those times? Nope. They can all KMA.

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Now you know why I hate US CEOs. Same logic.

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Many European CEOs are moving things to low cost countries as well, or as they call it best cost

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The fact that people with govt jobs think they have full proof job security and their positions are immune to cutbacks/layoffs says all we need to know.

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Can you imagine if they had a fool proof job?

It would be even worse!

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Media leading people to think Trump is just getting rid of non-Trump supporters out of the Govt. They are not telling the truth, that he is just cutting the Govt. excess people, groups, funding and fraud.

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This.

The fact is right now people who voted for Trump and against him are losing their jobs. They're also being affected in other ways by the cuts to the departments. Elon isn't looking to see who gets the axe depending on who they voted for. He's just cutting fat.

Yes, most government jobs are in cities, which means more employees are likely to be liberals, but that doesn't mean they're all liberals. There's also plenty of fed jobs not in the cities which are also being cut. I guarantee those jobs aren't all liberals.

There'll be sob stories, and, yes, it sucks to lose your job. I'm sure no one here who's ever gotten fired or laid off, with no other form of income coming in, were happy and excited to not have a way to feed their families. At the end of the day, though, if it needs to be done, so be it. In time, like all things, this moment will be just another chapter in history.

Regarding outsourcing via H1B visas....I see it happen all the time, with pretty much every company I've been at. IT outsourced, and suddenly IT at the company goes to hell. Language barrier, time zone differences means you can't get ahold of people when you need them, and no critical thinking skills. Eventually they start establishing at least a small local team to help out.

Accounting....outsourced to India, and they don't know WTF they're doing 9 times out of 10. Again, smart but no critical thinking skills. Almost always end up causing more problems than they fix.


Purchasing....let's outsource to India!! Okay then, get ready for them never having what you want when you need it, thus delaying your build or project and missing out on quarterly revenue. Or the inverse....ordering a crap ton of inventory on an item you decided to obsolete 2 years ago and now you're stuck with it.


Again, I think they're very smart people, but lack the critical thinking skills necessary. (I'm speaking in generalities, and realize that not ALL Indians are like this.) Add in language barrier and time zone difference, and I feel like pretty soon we'll start seeing a rebound where companies realize it makes more sense to hire Americans for key roles.

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infinity ag said:

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Oh? Then why do we give taxpayer money to corps as "tax breaks"?
The Govt is not in the business of paying corps to do business either. But they do.

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Tax brakes are paying corporations now? I guess if you assume all money belongs to the government.

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Its the AOC school of government accounting, which also is followed by the Congressional Budget Office.

Tax breaks and tax cuts are a COST regardless of the overall economic impact and investment they result in.

It is the only government line item that is factored in at full costs with no offsets, at least as congress critters, MSM and the CBO see it.

Art Laffler and Larry Kudlow lose their collective **** daily over this nonsense. Seeing the nonsense on TexAgs sort of makes me sad. The idea that taxes not paid is a federal SUBSIDY.

First time I got laid off it was directly related to govt initiatives. When they made the vast majority of contracts HUB/SDB set asides, our corporate had to immediately find groups to team with to even have a chance to bid much less win. We downsized through time to the point of me at a senior level being on the block. I got to work finding the next gig.

Second time was oil and gas downturn related, but you have to gut it up and work at it. Took a few steps back each time but had networked through my career and had options. I don't have a lot of sympathy for woe is me.

Federal employees are overwhelmingly Trump supporters. And they knew this was coming so no excuse being unprepared.

JohnClark929 said:

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Federal employees are overwhelmingly Trump supporters. And they knew this was coming so no excuse being unprepared.

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LOLwut?

Ag_of_08 said:

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...how? In the worst job market in decades, mid recession, when people with 15 and 20 years of relevant experience are begging for work, and double digital percentages of the population are either unemployed or working below the poverty line.... how are they going to magically find work?

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wait - you mean the record low unemployment reported by your Dem Government isn't true? All I remember prior to the election is we were all too dumb to grasp how great the economy and job market were.

They are entitled. They thought they were untouchable and they're not. Welcome to the real world where you can be fired for cause or without. Boo ****ing hoo

JohnClark929 said:

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Federal employees are overwhelmingly Trump supporters. And they knew this was coming so no excuse being unprepared.

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Citation needed

samurai_science said:

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JohnClark929 said:

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Federal employees are overwhelmingly Trump supporters. And they knew this was coming so no excuse being unprepared.

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Citation needed

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This is the internet.

Teslag said:

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I'm a federal worker. Voted for Trump. Took the buyout offer so have 8 months severance. Have a private gig starting in may that's hybrid work from home and better pay more flexibility.


Always have options.

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People that were on probation in any role were stupid not to take the buyout.

Working from home is a privilege I have.

Not a right.

If my employer takes it from me, they have every right to do so.

Same with a fed worker too. I don't care who they voted for.