So, I will occasionally spar with a friend from high school that now lives in Germany. very liberal. We exchange thoughts about political goings-on but we tend to get frustrated and then go our separate ways.

We had an exchange after she had posted on facebook a few weeks ago what the German people around her thought of Trump. As you can imagine, she shared a lot of like-minded drivel (IMO). I posted a snarky reply and then we had some discussion off-line. This was before DOGE kicked into gear and she was complaining about Elon getting access to our "personal information". She had also mentioned that he met with a "far right" group there in Germany.

Okay - about that last part and the reason why I'm writing. Since that exchange, there has been Vance's speech and the backlash from European elected officials. Both have shed a lot of light her mentality.

Is the AFD in Germany more or less like MAGA or are they really "far right"? On the one hand it's Germany. I can understand their being on guard against fascism and a collective guilt. On the other, not every movement of wanting to preserve your own country is going to lead to another Holocaust. I gotta tell you, I have watched some youtube videos of reporting about AFD and their supporters. The one-sided reporting looks pretty damn familiar and Vance's remark about "ignoring please for relief" is what comes to mind. Im still looking searching and reading but would appreciate any insights.

AFD is no where close to being like MAGA, but compared to every other dumb ass policitcal party in Germany, it probably feels like it to the natives.

ADDED: Click the 3rd Link for the AFD "Manifesto for Germany". It's a .pdf written in English for insights.

I'm no expert on German politics, but from what I've read, AfD has some nut cases in it. They aren't particularly friendly to America, either. But, with proportional representation, it's pretty stupid to rule out working a party that may get the 2nd largest number of votes in the election on Sunday (they are around 20%, and the right of center Christian Democrats are expected to come first with 30%). Just like in France, telling a large chunk of the electorate that they cannot participate because of their views is not a good idea.

AfD is considered the equivalent of the Nazi party in Germany. The other right party, CDU, has had a decades-old 'agreement' not to team up with them. T

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Think about everything that was said about trump and other republicans by the media. How many time was trump called a nazi and a dictator...

Now, how can you trust anything you hear about the Afd from european news?

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That's why I'm asking. Quacks like a duck.....i assume the same, but, hey, Germans. They do have a history that can't be ignored.

If some of you were to say they're lunatics I'd reconsider.

https://www.postliberalorder.com/p/cracks-in-europes-firewall-against?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Despite all of this, the AfD's rise is now undeniable. It is driven by two things:

First, a new feature of the political trend in Germany has become of the movement of mainstream parties towards the center of the political spectrum and defense of the status quo. Resentment towards this "centrist" trend, however, only fuels anti-elite messages, as some voters see these parties as being in a crisis of their own making (especially migration), thus serving, according to some, the interests of the elite rather than the nation.

Secondly, and relatedly, the refugee crisis that started in 2015 unquestionably made the AfD popular among a significant part of the electorate. Over the years, the Wilkommenskultur and failed German integration policies led to considerable frustration and social distrust among the electorate, with Germans fearing that they could lose their identity and their country as a result. Doubts and issues associated with migration have not gone awaythe 2025 snap elections in Germany were caused by an economic crisis, but migration dominated the political discourse.

The AfD has been very successful in using these problems to promote its own message. In the 2017 parliamentary elections, it won 12.6% of the vote, making it the third strongest party. In the 2021 elections, they only gained 10.4%, but the political quarantine imposed on them did not succeed in notably diminishing the party's significance. Current opinion polls predict that the AfD will emerge as the second strongest party after the CDU in February's snap elections, with around 20% of the vote. The AfD's political messages have remained largely unchanged since 2015. Most of the messages continue to be based on the discontent of their people, and their desire to stand against liberal elites and their failures.

The majority of the party's voters are people who didn't previously vote, and they are joined by voters who are disillusioned with all the other ruling parties. This is happening in equal proportion on the left and the right, which may suggest that the AfD will eventually become a Volkspartei (a People's Party). People's Party voters are not defined by age, gender or social position, but by an ideology. The transformation is further demonstrated by its results in some of the provincial elections: although mainstream parties are adopting anti-immigration positions, the AfD is not losing voters. So, a significant proportion of AfD voters are not simply punishing mainstream parties but instead feel a sense of loyalty to the party based on mature political views. This reinforces the sense that AfD is poised to gain greater strength still going forward.

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Edit: dunno bout the emoji, not what I intended.

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Farmer_J said:

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Think about everything that was said about trump and other republicans by the media. How many time was trump called a nazi and a dictator...

Now, how can you trust anything you hear about the Afd from european news?

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That's why I'm asking. Quacks like a duck.....i assume the same, but, hey, Germans. They do have a history that can't be ignored.

If some of you were to say they're lunatics I'd reconsider.

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Yeah, it's a rhetorical question. I question everything i've ever heard about european politics.

The candidate for the Afd party just did a spaces with Elon on X for an hour or two. Sounded very moderate.

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AfD is considered the equivalent of the Nazi party in Germany.

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This is disgusting hyperbole.

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Maybe. Frontline has gotten in on the hyperbole.

"Since the Holocaust, Germany has worked to overcome its Nazi history. But over the past decade, Germany has faced a rising wave of far-right violence and plots against Jews, Muslims, immigrants and politicians. Amid accusations that the far-right Alternative fr Deutschland party (AfD) has provoked violence, which it denies, filmmaker Evan Williams (Germany's Neo-Nazis & the Far Right, Escaping Eritrea, Myanmar's Killing Fields) investigates the rise of far-right extremism in modern-day Germany."

My relatives and friends in Germany. My cousin may be voting for them.

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🇩🇪🚨 "Germany needs the AfD"

Young women are increasingly promoting the AfD party on TikTok.

Many of them feel increasingly unsafe in Germany, and they believe AfD is the answer. pic.twitter.com/iXemPYBV0c

— Remix News & Views (@RMXnews) February 16, 2025

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After watching that video, I predict an AfD victory...

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AfD is a party that simply believes the German government should prioritize German citizens over Muslim invaders.

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They are also "far right" because they don't support the daily gang rapes that are happening by the cultural enrichers. The other parties also apologize to the rapist because their selection of young German females to "enrich" from is lacking. This is because these girls, solely due to prejudice, avoid going out. These actions are based not on fear or reason, but on an unwarranted hate/phobia of brown-skinned people. So sad. Sarc off.

Remember folks whenever are completely unbiased media says " Far right " you are supposed to think this

Ellis Wyatt said:

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rgvag11 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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rgvag11 said:

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AfD is considered the equivalent of the Nazi party in Germany.

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This is disgusting hyperbole.

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Maybe. Frontline has gotten in on the hyperbole.

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It's the same white flag of surrender leftists use here. If you're losing an argument, just play the race card/nazi card.

It exhibits intellectual inferiority.

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Kind of like the use of Liberal, Leftist, Marxist, Communist, etc cards that are played on almost every thread in F16 when people disagree.

The Afd is run by a lesbian. So it's not that far right. It is good on immigration though.

I live in Germany and know a couple of AfD voters, and the majority of them are fed up with the establishment parties (CDU/SPD/FDP). That said, the voters I know realize that the AfD is populism and they generally have no plan for any of their policies. In their words, it's mainly a vote against the establishment hoping they'll wake up and change. I have no doubt there are many others out there who are true believers though.

I speak German and can follow along with the townhalls and debates that have been held. In the one we watched most recently, Alice Weidel (AfD chancellor candidate) got absolutely cooked. They might get 25% of the vote this weekend, but I'd be shocked if Metz from the CDU ends up making a coalition with them.

The US governement funds any government anywhere that will take down populist candidates. The CIA, USAID, NED, FBI....theyre goal is to stop populist candidates. They want center left governments that will do as they are told.

So the AFD will get axed in the head pretty soon.

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WestAustinAg said:

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The Afd is run by a lesbian. So it's not that far right. It is good on immigration though.

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Strange that there has never been a " Far left " party in all of the countries in Europe ? Like the " Greens " apparently they are right now the middle moderate as well as commie/socialist parties.

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Or the US. That terminology is never used to describe Bernie Sanders, AOC, or Adam Schiff.

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Or the US. That terminology is never used to describe Bernie Sanders, AOC, or Adam Schiff.

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Must be a slight 50 year oversight by our honest and trustworthy media. Like grabbing the wrong thing from the fridge late at night.

They think Elon is far right even thought the dude was a Liberal a few years ago, and their hero on green technology.....

ChatGPT research:

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The Alternative for Germany (AfD) is a far-right political party established in 2013. Initially founded as an anti-European Union party, it has since shifted its focus toward nationalist and anti-immigration policies. The AfD's central positions include:

• Euroscepticism: The party advocates for reducing the European Union's influence over member states and has proposed abolishing the euro in favor of reinstating the Deutschmark.
  theguardian.com
  
• Immigration and National Identity: The AfD strongly opposes immigration, particularly from Muslim-majority countries, and has called for mass deportations of migrants. It emphasizes preserving traditional German culture and identity.
  theguardian.com
  
• Climate Policy: The party rejects many measures aimed at combating climate change, often questioning the scientific consensus on human-induced global warming.
  deutschland.de
  
• Foreign Relations: The AfD promotes closer ties with Russia and has criticized sanctions imposed on the country. It is the only major German party advocating for a friendly relationship with Russia, opposing EU sanctions, and expressing skepticism toward Ukraine's integration into European structures.
  cadenaser.com
  
• Defense and Security: The party supports reintroducing military conscription and increasing national defense capabilities.
  theguardian.com
  

Under the leadership of Alice Weidel, the AfD has gained significant traction, particularly among voters dissatisfied with traditional parties' handling of economic and immigration issues. Despite being ostracized by major parties due to its far-right stance, the AfD is polling at 21% ahead of the upcoming federal parliamentary election, doubling its 2021 result.
reuters.com

The party's rise has been accompanied by endorsements from influential figures like Elon Musk, who has publicly supported the AfD, describing it as a "sensible" choice.
wsj.com

However, the AfD's controversial positions and historical associations have led to its classification as a "suspected extremist" organization by Germany's Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution.

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I am suspect about the amount of support AfD has for Russia. That looks more like propaganda and deserves further exploration, but this seems to give a good brush stroke.

The party looks like it is a lot farther right than MAGA. No one in MAGA leadership is looking to reinstate the DRAFT.

But, let us not forget the late great Norm McDonald:

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Think about everything that was said about trump and other republicans by the media. How many time was trump called a nazi and a dictator...

Now, how can you trust anything you hear about the Afd from european news?

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From that perspective alone, NO. European news is just as left global tilted as ours. Similar built in tones and hysteria. Greta would not have gotten as much traction here likely.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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The Afd is run by a lesbian. So it's not that far right. It is good on immigration though.

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Strange that there has never been a " Far left " party in all of the countries in Europe ? Like the " Greens " apparently they are right now the middle moderate as well as commie/socialist parties.

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Or the US. That terminology is never used to describe Bernie Sanders, AOC, or Adam Schiff.

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I like Marxists better. It is more fitting.