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Trump has only gotten rid of about 15,000 in one month. There are around 30 million illegals in this country. At our current pace of deporting about 200,000 per year, illegals birth rates will surpass that number and their numbers will increase.

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So every business (large and small) doesn't have to worry about cheap labor in the very near future, even if they lose some now.

I'm sure they'll be thrilled to know the illegals are still in the pipeline.

Saw someone claim on here a few weeks ago that there would be a net 30k per day average outflow over the four years of Trump. That is laughable.

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Probably gone undercover because of LEAKS in certain 3 letter agencies. and Kash Patel just got confirmed yesterday. It will take awhile to purge the DEMbiciles from the 3 letter organizations. Maybe a slowed pace but the deportations will continue.

Also the news has shifted to Ukraine/russia war resolution.

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This also does explain it, yes. A crack-down on leaks would be leading to less tip-offs, ergo, less coverage. That may be what is going on. As said in that post yesterday, the statement it was a funding issue was simply overheard and have not seen it affirmed yet.

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Saw someone claim on here a few weeks ago that there would be a net 30k per day average outflow over the four years of Trump. That is laughable.

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I think if they were deporting all instead of this selective approach, that that number could be very close.

Mass deportation was never the #1 priority; it was to get the national security/public safety threat criminals out first. So far almost 40K of these criminals have been apprehended and deported.

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I've noticed the administration has been a lot more silent about this topic after say the first week when we were getting daily reports and numbers. Where are we at?

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The administration is 100% focused on exporting violent criminals first, but no illegal alien is off the table. They are actively seeking to deport cartel member's that Biden let in and let go. They are 100% focused on that now, but they are deporting every illegal they find while they execute that priority.

Homan has made this abundantly clear, and he has repeated himself many times, and the policy has not changed.

I like that as a priority. I wouldn't ask them to change that, but they DGAS what I as an individual have to say anyways.

At the same time, DHS and ICE are getting c-130's ready to start deporting illegals in mass.

If you would like more up-to-date information, check out the Homan update thread.

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Disenfranchised Ag94 said:

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Saw someone claim on here a few weeks ago that there would be a net 30k per day average outflow over the four years of Trump. That is laughable.

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I think if they were deporting all instead of this selective approach, that that number could be very close.

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Has there ever been anything said that lead you to believe that total deportation was the approach they would use? I just don't understand how that is feasible.

I understand the idea that all that arrived here are criminals, but you cannot tell me that the lady selling elote or coca fria at a roadside stand is the same as a tatted up venezuelan cartel hombre. Or that Amelia who is in Jr High or her abuela pose the same threat as Ahmed who came from Somalia and is taking flying lessons.

I know I'll get slammed for this by MAGA but.... I think Trump may have lied to us on the matter. He's deporting the criminals and I think that's it.

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I've noticed the administration has been a lot more silent about this topic after say the first week when we were getting daily reports and numbers. Where are we at?

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Yeah there was a lot of hoopla in the first week, all died down.

I wish Trump had picked just a few issues and driven them to completion. He is opening up a new fight every day and the old fights are forgotten.

No talk about H1B visa misuse either.

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Mass deportation was never the #1 priority; it was to get the national security/public safety threat criminals out first. So far almost 40K of these criminals have been apprehended and deported.

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Not to mention get started the actual process of closing the border and starting to proactively enter Mexico side of it in motion.

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It's never going to happen. Congress was never going to give Trump the resources. Hope he has a way of negotiating. Once the mid term elections roll around in 2 years we won't be able to do much of anything.

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This may be happening, but if it were the case that Congress is not on board with DJT, wouldn't one think DJT would call them out by name by name? For instance, Steven Miller seems to have no problem standing in front of a massive microphone and share his true feelings and facts.

Secure the border, punish businesses that employ illegals, cut off all benefits to illegals. No need to spend a bunch of resources to round them up. Get rid of any reasons for them to be here and they will leave.

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biglebowski said:

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I've noticed the administration has been a lot more silent about this topic after say the first week when we were getting daily reports and numbers. Where are we at?

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Yeah there was a lot of hoopla in the first week, all died down.

I wish Trump had picked just a few issues and driven them to completion. He is opening up a new fight every day and the old fights are forgotten.

No talk about H1B visa misuse either.

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Exactly, I don't care about canada and inheriting gaza, and bickering with Zelenskyy. Focus on the issues you ran on full heartedly.

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Deerdude said:

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Saw someone claim on here a few weeks ago that there would be a net 30k per day average outflow over the four years of Trump. That is laughable.

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I think if they were deporting all instead of this selective approach, that that number could be very close.

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Has there ever been anything said that lead you to believe that total deportation was the approach they would use? I just don't understand how that is feasible.

I understand the idea that all that arrived here are criminals, but you cannot tell me that the lady selling elote or coca fria at a roadside stand is the same as a tatted up venezuelan cartel hombre. Or that Amelia who is in Jr High or her abuela pose the same threat as Ahmed who came from Somalia and is taking flying lessons.

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Sure id agree with that from a crime standpoint. Now Angelita and face tatted can draw the same benefits, thus the same drain on tax paying citizens. Maybe denying these handouts will fix some of that.

Media is focusing on airplanes instead as it's a negative story. Frequency hasn't really increased, but since it's being reported now, it appears as though it has.

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I know I'll get slammed for this by MAGA but.... I think Trump may have lied to us on the matter. He's deporting the criminals and I think that's it.

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Trump has created the correct environment in under a month. Border crossings/encounters are down 90% from when Pedo Joe was running things. Trump is fighting to end benefits to illegals which is one of the main reasons they come here and stay. Go ahead and nitpick what is obviously a massive success if it helps you cope. Without funding and without NGOs to help them, the vast majority of illegal immigration has come to a grinding halt.

It will take years to root out illegals that are already here that don't leave on their own. This may even be a good thing as the labor market will need to adjust.

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"Fix the glitch". They are systematically cutting off all the freebies and welfare that had attracted most of the illegals here. Many will self deport when we quit subsidizing their existence here.

It takes time to track down the rest and remove them, particularly to spin up the resources and process for doing so at battle through all the legal obstructions the left will attempt to save their electoral map distortions and future hostage constituencies.

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Yes, there is a priority list, we all know it.

First the know criminals, then the ones with the bogus asylum granted by Biden, then the one's here up to two years...and then the rest of them...probably the dreamers last...

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Deerdude said:

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Saw someone claim on here a few weeks ago that there would be a net 30k per day average outflow over the four years of Trump. That is laughable.

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I think if they were deporting all instead of this selective approach, that that number could be very close.

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Has there ever been anything said that lead you to believe that total deportation was the approach they would use? I just don't understand how that is feasible.

I understand the idea that all that arrived here are criminals, but you cannot tell me that the lady selling elote or coca fria at a roadside stand is the same as a tatted up venezuelan cartel hombre. Or that Amelia who is in Jr High or her abuela pose the same threat as Ahmed who came from Somalia and is taking flying lessons.

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Sure id agree with that from a crime standpoint. Now Angelita and face tatted can draw the same benefits, thus the same drain on tax paying citizens. Maybe denying these handouts will fix some of that.

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Maybe the elimination of handouts will cause some to self deport. When Angelita's family sees that there are no benefits to be had and no jobs to earn income here, they will decide that things are better in Honduras and return there.

I believe that if those that arrived here illegally knew that they could never be here legally, they would go back and start the process in their Country of origin. A streamlined immigration system and an airtight border are two of the factors there, but the most difficult one is their belief in economic survival and opportunity in Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatamala, Venezuela and everywhere else they come here from. Until the cartels and corruption are controlled, they will keep risking their lives to get here.

The easiest way to identify and arrest illegals is at the workplace. That will eventually come, but I don't think you are going to see agents in riot gear going through neighborhoods knocking on doors unless they know there is a criminal there. That was never going to happen. Need to get the documented criminals out of here as top priority and then - after the government and reddit informants have been smoked out - systematically go after illegals at the workplace.

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Logos Stick said:

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I know I'll get slammed for this by MAGA but.... I think Trump may have lied to us on the matter. He's deporting the criminals and I think that's it.

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Trump has created the correct environment in under a month. Border crossings/encounters are down 90% from when Pedo Joe was running things. Trump is fighting to end benefits to illegals which is one of the main reasons they come here and stay. Go ahead and nitpick what is obviously a massive success if it helps you cope. Without funding and without NGOs to help them, the vast majority of illegal immigration has come to a grinding halt.

It will take years to root out illegals that are already here that don't leave on their own. This may even be a good thing as the labor market will need to adjust.

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This madcap impatience is something to see. As fast as this admin is moving -- a stack of EOs signed on the just sworn in President's desk on Inauguration Day no less --- and people are still saying "where is this or that promise?" He is nowhere close to being at a point where it can be said isn't doing something, so much as hasn't gotten to it yet.

Compare to Bush43's tenure with both houses and what was accomplished for perspective.

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we could start by vaccinating all of them

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You mean castrating all of them.

Need to catch , fire and prosecute information leakers . Make examples out of them.

It is the tactic to try and sow dissatisfaction to create space in the right coalition. This is not coincidental. The remnants of the statist infrastructure is still getting signal out.

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I know I'll get slammed for this by MAGA but.... I think Trump may have lied to us on the matter. He's deporting the criminals and I think that's it.

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He said on the campaign he was going to start with criminals. May turn out to take more time than anticipated to find them given the sanctuary cities that hide them along with other non-profit groups.

It's only been a month, barely enough time to retrain the ICE agents to do their actual jobs again.

Criminals are being hauled out of here.

Illegals who are freeloading are also being hauled off.

Golf courses and high resorts need cheap labor too, Trump is no idiot.

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I know I'll get slammed for this by MAGA but.... I think Trump may have lied to us on the matter. He's deporting the criminals and I think that's it.

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He cut off federal funding for illegals. They'll self deport without the US having to round them up.

I guess the problem is Trump and MAGA don't know the word SHAZAM, so they can meet Dims demand for immediate reversal of what Dims created over this last 50 years. What a bunch of mental giants!

What happened to ending birthright citizenship?

In the courts for the next 4 years?

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What happened to ending birthright citizenship?

In the courts for the next 4 years?

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That was never in the President's power (though one could argue in a way it should be as relates to crossing border security) but he did start that legal argument going. Its not even entirely in Congress's power unless they craft some very shortly crisp and unambiguous legislation.

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Media is not going to report when it's losing.

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I'm surprised we haven't seen more kids in cages videos or AOC at the border in tears.

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What happened to ending birthright citizenship?

In the courts for the next 4 years?

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That was never in the President's power (though one could argue in a way it should be as relates to crossing border security) but he did start that legal argument going. Its not even entirely in Congress's power unless they craft some very shortly crisp and unambiguous legislation.

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If that is the case, he should have probably not brought it up until he had an airtight case.
If the administration becomes all about MAGAesque headlines and nothing done, then it will lose credibility.

The Gaza thing was just dumb. He needs to focus on America first, not fixing the world like his predecessors did. Just stop funding the world, that is all. Use the saved money to pay down the debt. Gazans are muslims, they will fight regardless of anything you do for them. That is what Islam does to you.

We are probably the only stupid country in the world which is donating large sums of money to everyone while incurring huge debts. Imagine if an individual did that.

Trump had no intentions of removing people who have been here for decades that contribute to our economy in a good way. He will eventually propose a pathway to citizenship for these illegals.

Any rational thinking person knows this and those that don' understand most likely works as a minion for a local, state, or federal government.

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What happened to ending birthright citizenship?

In the courts for the next 4 years?

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That was never in the President's power (though one could argue in a way it should be as relates to crossing border security) but he did start that legal argument going. Its not even entirely in Congress's power unless they craft some very shortly crisp and unambiguous legislation.

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If that is the case, he should have probably not brought it up until he had an airtight case.
If the administration becomes all about MAGAesque headlines and nothing done, then it will lose credibility.

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The whole point is to get it to the courts so it can become settled law. He has little control over the judicial process. Maybe don't set expectations that aren't realistic. Particularly considering we had a drooling ****** as "president" for four years.

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What happened to ending birthright citizenship?

In the courts for the next 4 years?

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That was never in the President's power (though one could argue in a way it should be as relates to crossing border security) but he did start that legal argument going. Its not even entirely in Congress's power unless they craft some very shortly crisp and unambiguous legislation.

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If that is the case, he should have probably not brought it up until he had an airtight case.
If the administration becomes all about MAGAesque headlines and nothing done, then it will lose credibility.

The Gaza thing was just dumb. He needs to focus on America first, not fixing the world like his predecessors did. Just stop funding the world, that is all. Use the saved money to pay down the debt. Gazans are muslims, they will fight regardless of anything you do for them. That is what Islam does to you.

We are probably the only stupid country in the world which is donating large sums of money to everyone while incurring huge debts. Imagine if an individual did that.

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No, he had to bring it up. There is no such thing as an airtight case with it. He needed to stir it up and get the boundaries pushed. In this case it was the proper use of the bully pulpit. Only public outcry against DC on that score is liable to get it fixed.

As said on another thread, some of the Right certainly is leery of the Gaza talk. That's being treated with a provisional "will wait and hear more and see more".

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Logos Stick said:

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I know I'll get slammed for this by MAGA but.... I think Trump may have lied to us on the matter. He's deporting the criminals and I think that's it.

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He cut off federal funding for illegals. They'll self deport without the US having to round them up.

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Yes, I do agree with that. And he's cut off funding for housing them etc... via USAID and other departments.