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His job is to execute laws passed by Congress. Executive orders aren't laws.

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They don't really have time to dedicate to these kinds of seminal issues, like no men in women's sports.

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There are a total of like 11 trans athletes whose sum total impact on the world is the loss of a couple of high school track matches and now we have to have autocracy.

The brainwashing, it works!

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LOL. Coming from the poster with the same strain of thought on equity and fairness that thinks we should have unabated illegal entry and benefits for folks, your minimalization of the issue is noted.

As a Father of 4 daughters (and hopefully one day granddaughters, I'm FIRMLY against even 1 biological man competing against women.

It's not a complicated issue, though.

There are two genders. Period.

There should be 2 groups, athletically, due to that fact.

There is no reason to conflate the two.

Even more to the point, the Biden administration certainly felt states had to comply with their gender definitions, among other things, to keep receiving federal funds;

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Pardon me for a moment while I digest the argument that federal subsidies to states should come with no strings attached. That's not how I recall the Joe Biden administration's Department of Education operating, especially when it came to issues like transgender policy, pronouns, and the like. The same administration tried to force states to use a new definition of "sex" in Title IX to include "gender identities," and threatened to put funding at risk and used the potential for enforcement for compliance.

Of course, they also lost that battle in court, although not over the use of funding as a potential stick. The federal courts decided that Congress had meant "sex" as biological sex, and Congress would have to act to expand Title IX to cover "gender identity." Those cases are now moot with the new administration's policies. Mills and Frey could take Trump to court to force the Department of Education to produce the subsidies regardless of whether they comply with those new policies, and perhaps a court would temporarily restore funding while awaiting a full hearing.

However, it seems like a stretch to claim that states can spend federal dollars even while defying federal policies, as it would essentially remove any enforcement of such policies anywhere and everywhere. Besides, Title IX expressly protects women on the basis of biological sex (as the courts recognized in this go-around), which means that males encroaching in such spaces removes the balance required to qualify for federal spending.

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Either federal funding comes with no strings attached, or it doesn't. Now, with the Trump administration running the fed ship, strings apparently are suddenly illegal? LOL at the hypocrisy I have come to expect from the fanatical left in America known as Democrats. Oh, and it's horribly unpopular for the commies to fight on this hill;

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A poll from Marquette Law School last week showed just how popular the biological approach is:

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The federal government's recognizing only two sexes, male and female, is supported by 63% and opposed by 37%. ... More than 90% of Republicans favor Trump's most popular actions: those on recognizing two sexes, deporting immigrants in the United States illegally, expanding oil and gas production, and declaring an emergency on the border. A substantial majority of independents, 66%, favor recognizing two sexes[.]

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Trump lost Maine by seven points in November, but that doesn't mean Mills and Frey are going to get a lot of support for letting males into female spaces. This is cutting back towards the push by Democrats to make themselves the Weirdo Party rather than a party interested in the concerns of the vast majority of voters. This issue isn't quite80/20, but Mills and Frey are staking out the distinctly unpopular side of this game of chicken.

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She's 77 years old, and rumored to be preparing to challenge Susan Collins for a Senate seat in 2026. This is the fresh hot bench of new faces/ideas/issues for Democrats.

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I was rebutting the idea that this is a "seminal issue"..the fact that the republican party has been able to milk this specific issue into the dominant culture war discussion point is the point I'm making.

It is an issue. A complicated issue.

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Human genders are not complicated at all. There are 2, and nothing has changed.

Mental illness, more complicated, but has little to do with sports.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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His job is to execute laws passed by Congress. Executive orders aren't laws.

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They don't really have time to dedicate to these kinds of seminal issues, like no men in women's sports.

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There are a total of like 11 trans athletes whose sum total impact on the world is the loss of a couple of high school track matches and now we have to have autocracy.

The brainwashing, it works!

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The opportunity to come on here and make this argument that F16 is subject to brainwashing is the essence of DEI.

A token argument. The symbolic equivalent of someone gluing themselves to a road.

F16 is a crucible.

So you gotta get up earlier and try harder.

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aginlakeway said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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His job is to execute laws passed by Congress. Executive orders aren't laws.

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They don't really have time to dedicate to these kinds of seminal issues, like no men in women's sports.

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There are a total of like 11 trans athletes whose sum total impact on the world is the loss of a couple of high school track matches and now we have to have autocracy.

The brainwashing, it works!

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So you think that's ok?

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This is an extremely difficult question. Most trans kids are just trying to find some friends and feel like they are a part of something. Rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few. I don't understand what they are going through or why they feel the way they do. But these are kids, and I support their right to exist and live and participate in society (including the ability to participate in competitive activities if they wish). But at the same time I believe that competition should be fair, with a level playing field. It would be easy to suggest a third classification for competitors (men, women, and trans) but that last class would be so small as to be meaningless.

But either way, using the full weight of the oval office and media apparatus to 'otherize' minors is gross. Even if you believe someone like Katie Spencer is 'wrong', it doesn't make the online vitriol 'right.'

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So no biological men in women's sports then. I agree with that.

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They latch on fiercely to woke ideology, even when rejected by the majority, because it is all they have in their meaningless, unfullfilled, lives.

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Cats

They also have cats

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aginlakeway said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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His job is to execute laws passed by Congress. Executive orders aren't laws.

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They don't really have time to dedicate to these kinds of seminal issues, like no men in women's sports.

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There are a total of like 11 trans athletes whose sum total impact on the world is the loss of a couple of high school track matches and now we have to have autocracy.

The brainwashing, it works!

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So you think that's ok?

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This is an extremely difficult question. Most trans kids are just trying to find some friends and feel like they are a part of something. Rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few. I don't understand what they are going through or why they feel the way they do. But these are kids, and I support their right to exist and live and participate in society (including the ability to participate in competitive activities if they wish). But at the same time I believe that competition should be fair, with a level playing field. It would be easy to suggest a third classification for competitors (men, women, and trans) but that last class would be so small as to be meaningless.

But either way, using the full weight of the oval office and media apparatus to 'otherize' minors is gross. Even if you believe someone like Katie Spencer is 'wrong', it doesn't make the online vitriol 'right.'

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If an 6'6" 350 lb NFL player identifies as an 11 year old, would you let him play football on the 11 year old team against 11 year olds?

After all you don't know what he is going through.

Where do YOU draw the line?

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aginlakeway said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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His job is to execute laws passed by Congress. Executive orders aren't laws.

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They don't really have time to dedicate to these kinds of seminal issues, like no men in women's sports.

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There are a total of like 11 trans athletes whose sum total impact on the world is the loss of a couple of high school track matches and now we have to have autocracy.

The brainwashing, it works!

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So you think that's ok?

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This is an extremely difficult question. Most trans kids are just trying to find some friends and feel like they are a part of something. Rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few. I don't understand what they are going through or why they feel the way they do. But these are kids, and I support their right to exist and live and participate in society (including the ability to participate in competitive activities if they wish). But at the same time I believe that competition should be fair, with a level playing field. It would be easy to suggest a third classification for competitors (men, women, and trans) but that last class would be so small as to be meaningless.

But either way, using the full weight of the oval office and media apparatus to 'otherize' minors is gross. Even if you believe someone like Katie Spencer is 'wrong', it doesn't make the online vitriol 'right.'

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No one is saying they should be shamed or ostracized. They are suffering from a mental disorder and deserve our compassion. They should not, however:

1.) Be allowed to invade women's spaces

2.) Be encouraged that their distorted perception of reality is actually objectively true.

3.) Be encouraged to do irreparable harm to their bodies.

It's pretty simple, and it's disgusting that people like you encourage amoral behavior like the above so you can appear to your social circle of narscisstic sociopaths the be virtuous.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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His job is to execute laws passed by Congress. Executive orders aren't laws.

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They don't really have time to dedicate to these kinds of seminal issues, like no men in women's sports.

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There are a total of like 11 trans athletes whose sum total impact on the world is the loss of a couple of high school track matches and now we have to have autocracy.

The brainwashing, it works!

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So you think that's ok?

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This is an extremely difficult question. Most trans kids are just trying to find some friends and feel like they are a part of something. Rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few. I don't understand what they are going through or why they feel the way they do. But these are kids, and I support their right to exist and live and participate in society (including the ability to participate in competitive activities if they wish). But at the same time I believe that competition should be fair, with a level playing field. It would be easy to suggest a third classification for competitors (men, women, and trans) but that last class would be so small as to be meaningless.

But either way, using the full weight of the oval office and media apparatus to 'otherize' minors is gross. Even if you believe someone like Katie Spencer is 'wrong', it doesn't make the online vitriol 'right.'

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For some reason you liberals can't get it through your thick skulls that a small number of biological males competing in girls' sports affects more than just that small number of males

You can squawk all you want "that it's only a small number" but the FACT is that unfair competition affects hundreds perhaps thousands of females who have to compete against these guys, and who do not have access to a championship because it was stolen by a male

How many college women competed in the NCAA 100m freestyle in 2022? I'm not talking about the NCAA finals, I'm talking about nationwide, all meets. Whatever that number is, that's how many female swimmers never had a chance to claim a championship because a male was allowed to take it away

Bottom line, the argument that you and others make, that it only affects a small number of competitors is a bald face lie. It affects EVERY girl in a given event, whether in a final or not

The 2022 NCAA 100m Freestyle was NEVER available to anyone but the biological male that won

And that goes for all competitions, nationwide

You only care about the biological male stealing fair competition away from girls. You claim it's just a track meet. But what about the girls at that track meet? Who never had a chance? Do you realize a state championship was won because that pole vaulter won the competition? How many girls around the state of Maine did not have a shot at a championship because that one pole vaulter took it away? 100? 1000?

So die on that hill all you want. It's still a lie.

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Jack Squat 83 said:

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LMCane said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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His job is to execute laws passed by Congress. Executive orders aren't laws.

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They don't really have time to dedicate to these kinds of seminal issues, like no men in women's sports.

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There are a total of like 11 trans athletes whose sum total impact on the world is the loss of a couple of high school track matches and now we have to have autocracy.

The brainwashing, it works!

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so that's a lie.

but let's take your bogus stats for a fact

if there are only 11 trans athletes as you say-

WHY DO THEY NEED TO COMPETE WITH WOMEN?

it's only 11 people! so as you say, who cares it is just an infinitesimal group of the country so we should not have to allow them to do anything.

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It meets the Dem standard, if there's "only a handful" of something horribly wrong/illegal/unethical/sick/unfair, it's fine.

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I was rebutting the idea that this is a "seminal issue"..the fact that the republican party has been able to milk this specific issue into the dominant culture war discussion point is the point I'm making.

It is an issue. A complicated issue. But it's hardly a 'seminal' issue that merits the amount of coverage and political clout being given. Like, Trump threatening to withhold federal funding to EVERY school in Maine because of a single trans athlete is certifiably insane. Whatever harm you think a pole vaulter in a class B jr high competition is committing, it doesn't warrant a direct threat to bludgeon the entire education system for something that isn't even a lawful order.

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That's where you and people that think like you are wrong. It's NOT a complicated issue. Boys that think they're girls and vice versa have a mental illness and instead of caring for them by getting them the treatments they need and deserve, your side wants to "placate and include them" as an unwise and harmful form of caring.

You do not shape mainstream society around outliers and exceptions. Same thing is ruining schools.