ap suing trump administration over freedom of speech

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damiond
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4:32p, 2/21/25
https://apnews.com/article/ap-lawsuit-trump-administration-officials-0352075501b779b8b187667f3427e0e8
the AP says its case is about an unconstitutional effort by the White House to control speech - in this case not changing its style from the Gulf of Mexico to the "Gulf of America," as President Donald Trump did last month with an executive order.


the hypocrisy of this argument when the msm controls speech



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Ellis Wyatt
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4:36p, 2/21/25
Trump hasn't violated their right to speech.

The Biden administration was literally censoring Americans on social media. Having their posts removed for "misinformation" that was actually "information."

The AP and the left can piss up a rope.
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In reply to damiond • 4:37p, 2/21/25
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They can report on anything they want to just because they're not gonna be "in The Room Where It Happens" tough *****

The White House gets to do what they want. Just like they always do. That last idiot press chick wouldn't call on many people most of the time.
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Aggie Jurist
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4:37p, 2/21/25
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and some idiot judge will issue a TRO (much like when Stetler threw a fit).
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4:38p, 2/21/25
They will judge shop for an idiot lib to rule in their favor. Otherwise it would be laughed out of court.
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4:39p, 2/21/25
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Freedom of speech is protected. Access to POTUS is not.
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In reply to Aggie Jurist • 4:39p, 2/21/25
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and some idiot judge will issue a TRO (much like when Stetler threw a fit).


I would ignore it. This crap has got to stop!
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4:39p, 2/21/25
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Wonder how much of this is due to the reflexive anti-Americanism instilled in the MSM in preference to Europe and international.

Would it be a little more palatable if it was the Gulf of the Americas, giving Central and South America recognition by implication too?

The answer might be illuminating. Then again it might not.
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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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In reply to titan • 4:41p, 2/21/25
They'll attack anything he does.
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4:42p, 2/21/25
If I remember correctly, during the first Trump administration when they booted Acosta, the court told them they had to give back his press pass at least temporarily on fifth amendment grounds, but never reached a decision on the first amendment.
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4:43p, 2/21/25
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Let the AP into the WhiteHouse briefing.
Never respond to any AP questions.
Add space for podcasters. Respond to their questions.
Laugh at the AP.

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In reply to Logos Stick • 4:45p, 2/21/25
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They will judge shop for an idiot lib to rule in their favor. Otherwise it would be laughed out of court.


Case assigned to Judge Trevor McFadden, a Trump appointee.
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In reply to titan • 4:47p, 2/21/25
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titan said:

Wonder how much of this is due to the reflexive anti-Americanism instilled in the MSM in preference to Europe and international.

Would it be a little more palatable if it was the Gulf of the Americas, giving Central and South America recognition by implication too?

The answer might be illuminating. Then again it might not.
I'll be honest. I think the whole thing is stupid. I agree that Trump can change the name if he wants and can exclude people from white house press briefings for any reason he wants. But I did a zoom talk for a group last night, and I called it the GoM repeatedly because I have called it that for too long and I don't plan to exercise the mental gymnastics to force myself to change what I have been calling it for my whole life. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but the whole exercise just comes off as petty to me, in the midst of a lot of winning going on with other much more critical issues.
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 4:48p, 2/21/25
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BMX Bandit said:
If I remember correctly, during the first Trump administration when they booted Acosta, the court told them they had to give back his press pass at least temporarily on fifth amendment grounds, but never reached a decision on the first amendment.
I missed that. That's weird. Fourth, I maybe could almost see but Fifth?
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4:48p, 2/21/25
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Cry more libs! They'll drain into the Gulf of America
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In reply to txags92 • 4:50p, 2/21/25
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txags92 said:
titan said:

Wonder how much of this is due to the reflexive anti-Americanism instilled in the MSM in preference to Europe and international.

Would it be a little more palatable if it was the Gulf of the Americas, giving Central and South America recognition by implication too?

The answer might be illuminating. Then again it might not.
I'll be honest. I think the whole thing is stupid. I agree that Trump can change the name if he wants and can exclude people from white house press briefings for any reason he wants. But I did a zoom talk for a group last night, and I called it the GoM repeatedly because I have called it that for too long and I don't plan to exercise the mental gymnastics to force myself to change what I have been calling it for my whole life. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but the whole exercise just comes off as petty to me, in the midst of a lot of winning going on with other much more critical issues.
A "dead namer" to be precise
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4:54p, 2/21/25
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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In reply to txags92 • 4:54p, 2/21/25
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That's understandable. Sometimes still call Burma, well Burma. The difference is you are not willfully refusing to use a term just to show partisan spite. And even worse when doing it from a professional outfit supposedly (Ha! Right) non-partisan.
FrioAg 00:
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:56p, 2/21/25
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aggiehawg said:
BMX Bandit said:
If I remember correctly, during the first Trump administration when they booted Acosta, the court told them they had to give back his press pass at least temporarily on fifth amendment grounds, but never reached a decision on the first amendment.
I missed that. That's weird. Fourth, I maybe could almost see but Fifth?


Yeah, I'm wondering that as well. Did they say he supposedly has a property right to be in that press briefing?
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:58p, 2/21/25
aggiehawg said:
BMX Bandit said:
If I remember correctly, during the first Trump administration when they booted Acosta, the court told them they had to give back his press pass at least temporarily on fifth amendment grounds, but never reached a decision on the first amendment.
I missed that. That's weird. Fourth, I maybe could almost see but Fifth?
However it goes I hope it appeals up to the USSC and they further erode the legacy media's position of privilege. No company is owed a position in the Oval Office.
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In reply to damiond • 5:01p, 2/21/25
Every time I see something like this I am reminded


"The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false." ~Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, 1807.


The legacy news is beholden to stockholders, stakeholders and followers- none are particularly interested in the truth.
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Nobody with open eyes can any longer doubt that the danger to personal freedom comes chiefly from the left. F. A. Hayek



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5:04p, 2/21/25
If they are the group violating a lawful order, are they not then the party trying to control speech?
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In reply to txags92 • 5:09p, 2/21/25
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I can't recall a time i have ever referred to it by its full name. To me it's always been the "gulf" nothing more. I'm old enough I'll probably slip up and call it the GoM. Hell, i could call it the Gulf of (insert my dogs name here) by accident.
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In reply to captkirk • 5:13p, 2/21/25
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captkirk said:
txags92 said:
titan said:

Wonder how much of this is due to the reflexive anti-Americanism instilled in the MSM in preference to Europe and international.

Would it be a little more palatable if it was the Gulf of the Americas, giving Central and South America recognition by implication too?

The answer might be illuminating. Then again it might not.
I'll be honest. I think the whole thing is stupid. I agree that Trump can change the name if he wants and can exclude people from white house press briefings for any reason he wants. But I did a zoom talk for a group last night, and I called it the GoM repeatedly because I have called it that for too long and I don't plan to exercise the mental gymnastics to force myself to change what I have been calling it for my whole life. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but the whole exercise just comes off as petty to me, in the midst of a lot of winning going on with other much more critical issues.
A "dead namer" to be precise
Yeah, I tend to be in favor of dead naming...since most of the "new" names typically sound like stripper names.
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In reply to Ag In Ok • 5:17p, 2/21/25
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Ag In Ok said:
I can't recall a time i have ever referred to it by its full name. To me it's always been the "gulf" nothing more. I'm old enough I'll probably slip up and call it the GoM. Hell, i could call it the Gulf of (insert my dogs name here) by accident.
Yeah, I typically use "the gulf" in general discussions, but in this case I was talking about continental land mass development and tectonic plate movements over the course of geologic time on a global scale, so I needed to be specific about which gulfs I was referring to.
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 5:20p, 2/21/25
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Ellis Wyatt said:
Trump hasn't violated their right to speech.

The Biden administration was literally censoring Americans on social media. Having their posts removed for "misinformation" that was actually "information."

The AP and the left can piss up a rope.
Ellis,

I don't know if you have ever tried pissing up a rope, but it's freaking mess and teaches you not to do what you're doing that you thought was right but obviously isn't…
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5:24p, 2/21/25
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I have always generically used "the Gulf" and at work we dont much reference it as GOM (i am not upstream) but USGC (since I am downstream). But this seems like a silly lawsuit bc Orange Man Bad and we mad…
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5:35p, 2/21/25
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Wasn't the AP getting a bunch of USAID money?

Could that be why their panties are in a wad?
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In reply to Captain Pablo • 5:56p, 2/21/25
I could not find the actual TRO, but reading some news stories there was a DC circuit case from the 70s that said "undoubtedly" giving a White House press pass conferred a libert interest that could not be deprived without due process.

Judge Kelly said that because the White House did not give Acosta notice or a chance to appeal, they denied him any due process, so they had to temporarily restore the pass.

The White House then just dropped the whole thing
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In reply to captkirk • 6:02p, 2/21/25
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captkirk said:
Freedom of speech is protected. Access to POTUS is not.


This is all pretty basic. Surprised they didn't know that.
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6:04p, 2/21/25
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I thought the first amendment concerned what you can SAY, not where you can stand and listen.

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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 6:29p, 2/21/25
Ellis Wyatt said:
They'll attack anything he does.
The AP, Politco the Guardian, etc are just pissed that trump broke their primary revenue stream- Gov corruption and payoff thanks to USAID
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6:40p, 2/21/25
They don't have to be in the room to make up **** on Trump.
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6:41p, 2/21/25
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Can we sue the AP for their blatant racist policy of capitalizing black people as an ethnic word while not capitalizing white people?

Why am I considered a lesser human in written word simply because I'm white?
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In reply to jrdaustin • 7:03p, 2/21/25
jrdaustin said:
I thought the first amendment concerned what you can SAY, not where you can stand and listen.


That is very fake news.

I wouldn't necessarily bet against AP on this one. It's not the strongest 1A case, but I can see the 1A concerns here.
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