I heard officers have to wear navy blue socks or they have have to let everyone go

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Since this law has existed for 200 years, nothing has changed.

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When's the last time you heard about federal law enforcement entering homes en mass without a warrant? I think the last time that happened was the round up of Japanese during WWII. As a society we've agreed that practice was wrong and this practice is just as wrong.

If LE has credible evidence an illegal is in a property, get a warrant. It should be easy.

If not, investigate more then get a warrant. I want every last illegal out of the country, but this isn't the way

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Has it happened now, or is this just a fearmongering headline?

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No clue. It's still something that's concerning if anyone in the administration is considering this.

LOL. Irony. One of the reasons people are saying "Judges [are running] the executive" is because they believe "Illegals don't have any rights".

Go read "The Fourth Turning" and buckle up. You can only stretch a spring so far until it recoils wildly.

Cops

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LOL. Irony. One of the reasons people are saying "Judges [are running] the executive" is because they believe "Illegals don't have any rights".

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Strawman by rgvag. Typical.

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Rex Racer said:

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Since this law has existed for 200 years, nothing has changed.

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When's the last time you heard about federal law enforcement entering homes en mass without a warrant? I think the last time that happened was the round up of Japanese during WWII. As a society we've agreed that practice was wrong and this practice is just as wrong.

If LE has credible evidence an illegal is in a property, get a warrant. It should be easy.

If not, investigate more then get a warrant. I want every last illegal out of the country, but this isn't the way

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Has it happened now, or is this just a fearmongering headline?

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No clue. It's still something that's concerning if anyone in the administration is considering this.

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I'd wager they have been planning over it for awhile now. I mean blowing off the dust of the AEA was't just one lawyer pulling something out of their ass.

Don't like it? Lobby Congress to change the laws, not only AEA but other federal statutes governing immigration laws. (And don't start with the Trump told the GOP to defeat that last Dem "immigration" bill. It was even worse than what we have now.)

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LOL. Irony. One of the reasons people are saying "Judges [are running] the executive" is because they believe "Illegals don't have any rights".

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Strawman by rgvag. Typical.

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How so? You don't think 'judges are running the executive' by blocking executive actions based on the premise that illegals have rights?

Ore rolling

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Illegals don't have any rights

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This. OP is spectacular lately on posting garbage he "thinks" people will care about

We don't care, the thirty people that started your post probably went to the Draggieland concert

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Don't be an illegal and you won't have much to worry about.

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Unless LEO thinks you are harboring one.

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So don't harbor or support harboring one?

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What if you are not, but LEO thinks you are? Should we not have a third party assess their reasoning. You know, like a judge.

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Then that LEO is screwed.

Slippery slope

Illegals are in the country illegally. That's why they're called illegals. Just in case you didn't realize that.

Two vague sources (one being people magazine) and all this hysteria. Show me the details not poor reporting.

I see nothing to indicate they are saying cops can just go door to door, or rely on an anonymous source.

We laugh at the left for panicking about headlines without having all the facts and now...

Edward Bernays was right.

I want all of these illegals gone from this country and that will never happen if everyone needs a warrant and a court date to be removed.

I want them patrolling classrooms, hospitals, grocery stores, farms, warehouses. I do not care about their due process, I just want them gone.

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Federal agents should never be able to enter a home, citizen or not, without a warrant. I think most exigent circumstances including "hot pursuit" should go away too.

if you want in someone's home, get a warrant.

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So if an active shooter runs into a random house, he is free from pursuit. Hopefully the homeowners are not there to become the next victims.

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Lawyers with the Trump administration have determined that Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents can enter homes without a warrant under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, according to reports. https://t.co/as5VmiDZ7k

— NEWSMAX (@NEWSMAX) March 21, 2025

senior Justice Department lawyers are interpreting the act as a free pass for immigration officials to enter homes without warrants in order to search for suspected "alien enemies."
https://people.com/trump-alien-enemies-act-ice-raids-without-warrant-11700762

I think if you care about freedom and the power that governments have to deprive people of their freedoms throughout history, then this should be a bridge too far. Judicial oversight is an important backstop.

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If you voted for a President that didn't allow illegals in, this wouldn't be an issue.

YOU voted for a Democrat.
YOU caused this to be an issue.

Next time, be wise about who you vote for.

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You realize that even if EVERY SINGLE 'illegal' was removed from this country, this very law could still be weaponized against LEGAL citizens and migrants?

You can't be so partisan as to think that this is a good idea.

Funny the libs now care about private property. Awesome. Welcome to the party.


This is a horrible idea and I am against it but I believe in private property rights and rights of people and businesses.

Who's really dumb enough to think that liberals, and almost all Americans, in general, don't care about warrantless searches?

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LOL. Irony. One of the reasons people are saying "Judges [are running] the executive" is because they believe "Illegals don't have any rights".

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Strawman by rgvag. Typical.

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How so? You don't think 'judges are running the executive' by blocking executive actions based on the premise that illegals have rights?

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You mean, like checks and balances? Do you need a 4th grade lesson on how the government works?

I guess we don't need that second amendment anymore, since you have nothing to worry about if you're not doing anything wrong. The government and law enforcement agencies wouldn't do anything wrong against law abiding people, like ignore their 4th amendment rights. Right?

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Illegals do have rights, they are just limited to a certain subset that are basic constitutional rights for all human beings under the authority of our government. If they are hostile agents however, those rights are limited in the context of any ongoing threat to the USA. This might mean they can be pursued or sought on private property without protection if they are engaged in ongoing threatening activities.

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What about the rights of the homeowner?

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If ICE or whomever is at the point that they believe illegals are being harbored or held in a house that they invoke this Act as authority to enter without a warrant, they are at the point where they could use probable cause anyway.

And if they do F up and enter a house without a warrant and without probable cause or reasonable justification - hope the government gets its ass handed to them in court and the homeowner is compensated very well for such an egregious error on their part.

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Good luck with that.

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Illegals do have rights, they are just limited to a certain subset that are basic constitutional rights for all human beings under the authority of our government. If they are hostile agents however, those rights are limited in the context of any ongoing threat to the USA. This might mean they can be pursued or sought on private property without protection if they are engaged in ongoing threatening activities.

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What about the rights of the homeowner?

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If ICE or whomever is at the point that they believe illegals are being harbored or held in a house that they invoke this Act as authority to enter without a warrant, they are at the point where they could use probable cause anyway.

And if they do F up and enter a house without a warrant and without probable cause or reasonable justification - hope the government gets its ass handed to them in court and the homeowner is compensated very well for such an egregious error on their part.

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Good luck with that. There's plenty of precedent that officers who already show up to the wrong house are immune from civil actions. Plenty of cases of offers being granted QI for showing up at a completely incorrect address, failing to confirm the place they're raiding matches the physical description on their warrant, identifying they've got the wrong place and just guessing that they should raid the house next door without checking its number or the physical description against the warrant, etc.

If we can't hold cops accountable now, I don't see any reason to believe they'll be held accountable when given even greater authority and less oversight. If anything, warrant requirements should be strengthened, not loosened.

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LOL. Irony. One of the reasons people are saying "Judges [are running] the executive" is because they believe "Illegals don't have any rights".

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Strawman by rgvag. Typical.

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How so? You don't think 'judges are running the executive' by blocking executive actions based on the premise that illegals have rights?

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You mean, like checks and balances? Do you need a 4th grade lesson on how the government works?

I guess we don't need that second amendment anymore, since you have nothing to worry about if you're not doing anything wrong. The government and law enforcement agencies wouldn't do anything wrong against law abiding people, like ignore their 4th amendment rights. Right?

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This response is perplexing. Having LEO get warrants from judges is part of checks and balances.

Think a little more before you angrily type a response.

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LOL. Irony. One of the reasons people are saying "Judges [are running] the executive" is because they believe "Illegals don't have any rights".

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Strawman by rgvag. Typical.

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How so? You don't think 'judges are running the executive' by blocking executive actions based on the premise that illegals have rights?

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You mean, like checks and balances? Do you need a 4th grade lesson on how the government works?

I guess we don't need that second amendment anymore, since you have nothing to worry about if you're not doing anything wrong. The government and law enforcement agencies wouldn't do anything wrong against law abiding people, like ignore their 4th amendment rights. Right?

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This response is perplexing. Having LEO get warrants from judges is part of checks and balances.

Think a little more before you angrily type a response.

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Just reread your previous posts. I think we're saying the same thing.

Sorry, coffee hadn't kicked in.

Flagged.

You missed the Covid discussions when private property and rights of businesses was thrown out but now you care. Good for you.

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Flagged.

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You are flagging someone for pointing out the potential issues of such a "no warrant policy? If his use of "dumbass" drew the flag, you will be very busy playing hall monitor!

For calling posters dumb asses? Yes. I got banned for calling a poster a lib. Thinking it's same thing here.

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For calling posters dumb asses? Yes. I got banned for calling a poster a lib. Thinking it's same thing here.

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Yeah, there is more to the story than that!

People call others "libs" all the time here.

Actually there isn't. It came out of nowhere. Usually I earn my bans. That one not so much.

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Federal agents should never be able to enter a home, citizen or not, without a warrant. I think most exigent circumstances including "hot pursuit" should go away too.

if you want in someone's home, get a warrant.

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So if an active shooter runs into a random house, he is free from pursuit. Hopefully the homeowners are not there to become the next victims.

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No, he's not free from pursuit. LE surrounds the house, calls their magistrate they already have available 24/7 to issue warrants for DWI blood draws, and get them to sign a warrant to enter the house. If they can have a magistrate on standby 24/7 to draw your blood, they can do the same to enter your house.

Obviously there are exigencies where that isn't possible (house is occupied and active shooter runs in), and all of those can't possibly be documented, but too many LE don't believe in the protections granted by the 4th.

I used to be very pro LE, but the last 5 years of defund the police seems to have reduced the candidate pool for good officers. I've seen way too many body cam videos over the last 5 years of just completely unhinged LE violating peoples rights. We give up way too many rights and freedoms in the search for "safety".

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Good lord all the blue star "liberal owning" at the beginning of this thread is stupid.

This is a terrible slippery slope precedent. No one, whether they're on the left or right, should be cheering this.

Federal agents should never be able to enter a home, citizen or not, without a warrant. I think most exigent circumstances including "hot pursuit" should go away too.

if you want in someone's home, get a warrant.

This could be folks on the right when the pendulum shifts. Gun confiscation? Oops we think you have an alien enemy in your house and we'll just let ourselves in to check. Found "illegal" guns? Yep, now you're going to prison.

This is 100% terrible Trump.

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Yep, this here.

Whether you like him or not, Trump is continuing the erosion of freedom and privacy and they won't go back when he's no longer POTUS. This is part of a long term plan for this country whether you like it or not. No one wants to live like people do under the CCP where the government can break your door down and search your house as they please. But that's where we seem to be headed.

They better have damn solid evidence I am doing something I shouldn't. So no warrant = BAD news.

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Whether you like him or not, Trump is continuing the erosion of freedom and privacy and they won't go back when he's no longer POTUS

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Still no evidence the policy in the OP even exists!


But by all means attack Trump for something that hasn't happened