The Polio Vaccine didn't do what we think it did?

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When the conversation turned to polio, Dr. Humphries blew just about everyone's mind on the internet. She challenged one of the most sacred beliefs in modern medicine: that vaccines eradicated polio.

The truth is that polio wasn't actually eradicated. "Polio is still here. Polio is still alive and well," Dr. Humphries declared. It's just that a few sleights of hand made the world believe otherwise.

The real change that happened, according to Humphries, wasn't the vaccine's impactit was the definition.

"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained. "Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The playing field, the goalpostseverything was changed… they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it."

After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning.
Haven't watched the whole podcast, have no clue who Dr. Humphries is or her credentials at this point.

Just to be clear, I was never a conspiracy theorist until all of the ones I thought were nonsense started to come true.
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10:46a, 3/27/25
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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.
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10:48a, 3/27/25
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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained.
Did she say what it is called today?
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In reply to SunrayAg • 10:48a, 3/27/25
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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.
Everything is a conspiracy theory until proven true.

Did you believe "just 2 weeks to flatten the curve"?
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11:01a, 3/27/25
Polio was never "eradicated." It has always remained out there, but most people are protected from it by vaccination.

The only virus we've eradicated was smallpox; and people like Humphries would be fine if it, polio, and every other horrible disease came roaring back.
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In reply to powerbelly • 11:02a, 3/27/25
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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained.
Did she say what it is called today?

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11:04a, 3/27/25
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I'm waiting for RFK Jr. to tell me whether to believe the study or not. He already told me to take Vitamin A for measles, and lots of it.
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11:06a, 3/27/25
TLDR, the polio vaccine works. Take it
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In reply to agracer • 11:08a, 3/27/25
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Fascinating in implication, because those other diseases certainly have some of the traits.


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After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning. She also pointed to another key factor: environmental toxins. The rise in polio diagnoses, she said, mirrored the use of toxic chemicals like DDT.
If true, would also affirm the Left got DDT right.

Its certainly a mixed bag here.

The 1916 Rockefeller lab incident sounds sinister indeed if true-- if so the Allies doing worse than just the use of gas in their plans.
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In reply to agracer • 11:09a, 3/27/25
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The polio vaccine protects the folks who get it, and where enough of the population gets the vaccine, it eliminates it from that region.

We were very close to having global eradication 10 years ago, but there are always pockets of the world where there just hasn't been enough vaccination.

Don't conflate the polio vaccine with covid.

People who spread BS like this deserve a kick in the nuts.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 11:10a, 3/27/25
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Polio was never "eradicated." It has always remained out there, but most people are protected from it by vaccination.

The only virus we've eradicated was smallpox; and people like Humphries would be fine if it, polio, and every other horrible disease came roaring back.
We haven't even eradicated small pox, I had to get the vaccine during OEF. As long as some jack wagon has a strain in some lab (for "research" purposes) then it isn't truly eradicated. There's always a threat.
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In reply to CheeseSndwch • 11:12a, 3/27/25
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powerbelly said:
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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained.
Did she say what it is called today?

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In reply to 13B • 11:12a, 3/27/25
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Rapier108 said:
Polio was never "eradicated." It has always remained out there, but most people are protected from it by vaccination.

The only virus we've eradicated was smallpox; and people like Humphries would be fine if it, polio, and every other horrible disease came roaring back.
We haven't even eradicated small pox, I had to get the vaccine during OEF. As long as some jack wagon has a strain in some lab (for "research" purposes) then it isn't truly eradicated. There's always a threat.
Smallpox is eradiated in "the wild."

It only exists in storage at the CDC in Atlanta and VECTOR in Russia.

The samples need to be destroyed already. They are no longer needed and we can make a vaccine for smallpox without them.
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In reply to SunrayAg • 11:12a, 3/27/25
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SunrayAg said:
You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.


What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.
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In reply to shack009 • 11:13a, 3/27/25
shack009 said:
SunrayAg said:
You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.


What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.
And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to twk • 11:17a, 3/27/25
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That is so, but this aspect needs a closer look, because if it is true, those are definitely still present.


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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained. "Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The playing field, the goalpostseverything was changed… they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it." After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning.
One of the more notable things about Covid is the fairly strong indicators it was a repackaged flu -- it was notorious that attention to the flu and mention of it practically disappeared.

On the other hand, not inclined to believe the above because naive or not as it may be I do think our institutions were a bit more honest, say God fearing, then, then they are today. I do not buy a scenario where Polio was successfully curbed was in any way a false statement.
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In reply to SunrayAg • 11:22a, 3/27/25
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SunrayAg said:
You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.
Reading comprehension, you lack it.
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In reply to powerbelly • 11:23a, 3/27/25
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powerbelly said:
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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained.
Did she say what it is called today?
it's right there in my OP.
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In reply to SunrayAg • 11:24a, 3/27/25
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SunrayAg said:
You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.


Dr. Humphries isn't one of those shills. Neither is Aaron Siri. In this interview with Tucker Carlson, he confirms what Dr Humphries said and a lot more. Among the facts provided by Siri is that the vaccine testing for adverse effects for an FDA approved infant Polio vaccine was just three days.

He also explains that the Childhood Vaccine Act of 1986 that indemnified vaccine manufacturers against lawsuits for vaccine injuries was because the three remaining vaccine manufacturers for MMR, DPT, and Polio were quitting the business because they were so frequently and so successfully sued for vaccine injuries to infants. Instead of letting market forces work to incentivize safer vaccines, Congress transferred financial liability for tax injuries to taxpayers and utterly removed any incentive for vaccine manufacturers to effectively test vaccines for safety. The CVA 1986 takes as an article of faith that all vaccines approved by the FDA are effective (they aren't) and just gives vaccine manufacturers a free pass on safety. It also creates a direct conflict of interest for Sec HHS because he must both promote vaccine safety while also promoting vaccine use even for vaccines for which legal damage claims are being paid. Citizens injured by vaccines must also hire lawyers to litigate against the limitless resources of the DOJ.

Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
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In reply to titan • 11:25a, 3/27/25
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The change from where we were before the Salk vaccine is beyond argument. I guess if this lady wants to argue that there are offshoots of some sort that affect a very small part of the population, that's fine as far as it goes, but to imply that the vaccine did not work is simply to spread a lie that is seized upon by folks who simply don't believe in vaccines.

My grandfather had polio as a child, and it changed the course of his life. He had to use a crutch or a cane thereafter. He went to A&M for a semester, but A&M in the 1930s was no place for someone with a disability. I'm thankful that I never had to worry about experiencing what he did, thanks to the polio vaccine.
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Poliomyelitis, or Polio for short, is actually the state of your myelin tissue being inflamed and infected to the point of causing paralysis. One (of many) viruses that can lead to poliomyelitis is now called the "Polio virus" because it was one of the most common viruses found in the spines of people with poliomyelitis and this is the one the "Polio vaccine" was developed to treat. When this virus was able to creep into the spine via a weakened gut/spine barrier, a person would get poliomyelitis.

To understand what the OP means you have to understand that the virus and Polio are two different things. The reason we don't see Polio anymore is not because of vaccinating against the virus, which by all accounts does seem to work as the scientists claim. It is because the true mechanism that connected the virus to Polio has been addressed - the gut/spine barrier breakdown. The real question is what caused the gut/spine barrier to break down during the time of high polio infection incidence and why does it not seem to be an issue anymore?
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In reply to agracer • 11:26a, 3/27/25
I'm in the same boat. Scoffed at anti-vaxers until the entire medical establishment went all in on the unproven covid gene therapies. Now I'm willing to reconsider everything coming from the non-credible priests of scientism.

This doesn't mean the vax stories are directionally fallacious, but I'm becoming convinced they omit and obscure unpleasant truths… and given my trust issues this has me whiplashing to "unsure" yet still short of "anti."
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11:26a, 3/27/25
What specific public health measures were adopted in the mid-50s that eradicated polio, rather than the vaccines? She makes a sweeping claim without hard evidence. She may be correct, but she should produce the data.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 11:27a, 3/27/25
Rapier108 said:
shack009 said:
SunrayAg said:
You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.


What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.
And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.
Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".
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11:27a, 3/27/25
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If these people are wrong, it's pretty wild how compelling their cases are.

It's very possible that conventional vaccine acceptance is correct concerning polio or MMR, but the pro-vaccine crowd is full of people who have absolutely no credibility left. They also never address the arguments from the skeptic crowd, just hurl names and say they will cause more cases of the thing in question.

It makes it very difficult for normal people to understand what is correct.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 11:29a, 3/27/25
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Polio was never "eradicated." It has always remained out there, but most people are protected from it by vaccination.

The only virus we've eradicated was smallpox;
Agreed and makes sense.
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and people like Humphries would be fine if it, polio, and every other horrible disease came roaring back.
What an idiotic and childish thing to say.
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In reply to KingofHazor • 11:29a, 3/27/25
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What specific public health measures were adopted in the mid-50s that eradicated polio, rather than the vaccines? She makes a sweeping claim without hard evidence. She may be correct, but she should produce the data.
Her argument seems to be a combination of halting the use of DDT (countries where it's use is still prevalent still struggle with significant # of polio cases, according to her)...and then re-categorization into new illnesses.


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"After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning."

Not saying she's right or wrong, that is just my understanding of her base argument.
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11:30a, 3/27/25
vaccines are an interesting topic because people are very passionate about it in both sides of the aisle. i think a healthy amount of skepticism has been earned by the medical establishment so i encourage anyone to become as educated as possible before being injected with anything. to blindly trust doctors or scientists is not a smart decision. i would also state that not all doctors and scientists have sold their souls just a lot of them have. so make sure you find someone you can trust.
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In reply to Tea Party • 11:30a, 3/27/25
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Tea Party said:
Rapier108 said:
Polio was never "eradicated." It has always remained out there, but most people are protected from it by vaccination.

The only virus we've eradicated was smallpox;
Agreed and makes sense.
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and people like Humphries would be fine if it, polio, and every other horrible disease came roaring back.
What an idiotic and childish thing to say.


Yeah what is the motivation for polio coming back to these people?
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In reply to Madagascar • 11:30a, 3/27/25
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Madagascar said:
Poliomyelitis, or Polio for short, is actually the state of your myelin tissue being inflamed and infected to the point of causing paralysis. One (of many) viruses that can lead to poliomyelitis is now called the "Polio virus" because it was one of the most common viruses found in the spines of people with poliomyelitis and this is the one the "Polio vaccine" was developed to treat. When this virus was able to creep into the spine via a weakened gut/spine barrier, a person would get poliomyelitis.

To understand what the OP means you have to understand that the virus and Polio are two different things. The reason we don't see Polio anymore is not because of vaccinating against the virus, which by all accounts does seem to work as the scientists claim. It is because the true mechanism that connected the virus to Polio has been addressed - the gut/spine barrier breakdown. The real question is what caused the gut/spine barrier to break down during the time of high polio infection incidence and why does it not seem to be an issue anymore?
What are you intending with that fascinating description -- meaning, what anatomical term is intended for gut/spine barrier being weakened. By barrier are your referring to peritoneum fascia, etc that lines the abdominal pelvic cavity? That sounds like what you mean. Where is the leak to spine point.
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 11:33a, 3/27/25
El Gallo Blanco said:
Rapier108 said:
shack009 said:
SunrayAg said:
You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.


What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.
And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.
Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".
They would ban it. These anti-vaxxers would ban them all; although they usually don't say that part out loud.

I don't get why anyone wants to return to a time of plagues and pandemics that could wipe out millions, or in some cases, 1/3 of the world's population.

People need to quit thinking the WuFlu shots are the same as actual vaccines which have been around before many people here were even born.

It is truly sad that the WuFlu broke the brains of so many people, especially on the political right. The left was already screwed up, but now we have so many on the right who would question the color of the sky of Joe Rogan had a guest on who told them it was actually fuchsia. Critical thinking has gone out the window and replaced with pseudoscience and the belief that everything is a lie and/or conspiracy.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to Rapier108 • 11:35a, 3/27/25
Rapier108 said:
shack009 said:
SunrayAg said:
You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.


What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.
And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.
Doubling down on the idiotic claim that these people want vaccines banned and diseases to come roaring back. You're on a roll in that ivory tower .
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In reply to CheeseSndwch • 11:37a, 3/27/25
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CheeseSndwch said:
powerbelly said:
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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained.
Did she say what it is called today?

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11:37a, 3/27/25
The medical and science community, partnered with the federal government, can throw tantrums and hurl insults all they want...but THEY are directly responsible for the distrust they are now seeing. They fed this beast.

Many of the science and medical "experts" who would call you crazy and reckless for even listening to that lady's take on polio/polio vaccines were the same ones saying it was ok to gather en masse during the height of covid lockdowns as long as you were protesting a noble social justice cause...same MF's who were telling people they had to get the "vaccine" so that other people's "vaccines" would magically work etc etc.

We could go on and on, but a lot has been revealed in the last handful of years, and it is only natural for people to be skeptic AF.
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In reply to shack009 • 11:38a, 3/27/25
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shack009 said:
Tea Party said:
Rapier108 said:
Polio was never "eradicated." It has always remained out there, but most people are protected from it by vaccination.

The only virus we've eradicated was smallpox;
Agreed and makes sense.
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and people like Humphries would be fine if it, polio, and every other horrible disease came roaring back.
What an idiotic and childish thing to say.


Yeah what is the motivation for polio coming back to these people?



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