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Poliomyelitis, or Polio for short, is actually the state of your myelin tissue being inflamed and infected to the point of causing paralysis. One (of many) viruses that can lead to poliomyelitis is now called the "Polio virus" because it was one of the most common viruses found in the spines of people with poliomyelitis and this is the one the "Polio vaccine" was developed to treat. When this virus was able to creep into the spine via a weakened gut/spine barrier, a person would get poliomyelitis.

To understand what the OP means you have to understand that the virus and Polio are two different things. The reason we don't see Polio anymore is not because of vaccinating against the virus, which by all accounts does seem to work as the scientists claim. It is because the true mechanism that connected the virus to Polio has been addressed - the gut/spine barrier breakdown. The real question is what caused the gut/spine barrier to break down during the time of high polio infection incidence and why does it not seem to be an issue anymore?

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What are you intending with that fascinating description -- meaning, what anatomical term is intended for gut/spine barrier being weakened. By barrier are your referring to peritoneum fascia, etc that lines the abdominal pelvic cavity? That sounds like what you mean. Where is the leak to spine point.

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It's more complicated of an explanation than I can describe except to say that viruses that were supposed to stay in the gut were somehow getting into the CNS. This article delves into the potential barriers a little. And I agree it's fascinating. Polio is one of the more interesting vaccines to debate because of it's nature and history.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3234684/

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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SunrayAg said:

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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.

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What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.

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And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.

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Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".

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They would ban it. These anti-vaxxers would ban them all; although they usually don't say that part out loud.

I don't get why anyone wants to return to a time of plagues and pandemics that could wipe out millions, or in some cases, 1/3 of the world's population.

People need to quit thinking the WuFlu shots are the same as actual vaccines which have been around before many people here were even born.

It is truly sad that the WuFlu broke the brains of so many people, especially on the political right. The left was already screwed up, but now we have so many on the right who would question the color of the sky of Joe Rogan had a guest on who told them it was actually fuchsia. Critical thinking has gone out the window and replaced with pseudoscience and the belief that everything is a lie and/or conspiracy.

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My dad was born in 1953...back when they had a fraction of the vaccines we do for newborns/infants/very small children. Is there less illness today? Are children healthier? Deadly allergies to peanuts and other silly sh** seem to have skyrocketed since his day...what was the cause there. Will they eventually come out with a vaccine to keep kids from dying from exposure to peanut particles?

I think I could make a pretty strong argument that people actually used to be healthier and more resilient. And "Do not dare bring a single peanut into this preschool or elementary because children could literally die" wasn't a thing.

He makes it sound like autism wasn't really a thing.

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It wasn't. We need to know why rates of autism and food allergies are so much higher. It could be vaccines, it could be something else. But don't tell me I'm crazy for wondering why these things are more prevalent.

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A giant part of the autism data is the change in diagnoses protocols. I have three people in my family that were diagnosed on the ASD after they turned 40. You don't develop autism after you turn 40. The number of people diagnosed with Autism after 40 has absolutely skyrocketed.

Madagascar,

Thanks! This has the full article, not an abstract (as sometimes happens). Excellent. Will read it for the
answers.

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A giant part of the autism data is the change in diagnoses protocols. I have three people in my family that were diagnosed on the ASD after they turned 40. You don't develop autism after you turn 40. The number of people diagnosed with Autism after 40 has absolutely skyrocketed.

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Which strongly suggests the current diagnosis protocols are wrong; changed for the worst. So is an example of the argument of changed definitions used to just remove or increase the stats for a disease.

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It seems to me her claim is that before the vaccine they didn't test for the polio virus they simply labeled any symptoms that presented as polio as the polio virus. Apparently there were many environmental things, such as DDT and the cow dipping for fleas and ticks that exposed people to arsenic, that mimicked polio.

Once they started administering the vaccine they started testing for the polio virus so all the polio cases that were not actually polio fell off the chart / graph because they were never polio to begin with.

I think her argument centers around the fact that polio was never really to blame as it's on us always like staph so all of these polio cases disappeared once they started testing for the actual virus (which apparently corresponds with the vaccine) because they were never polio to begin with.

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Rubbish!

Polio was something nearly everyone got back then. Many showed no symptoms at all. Others just a minor illness. In some percentage of cases, it was very serious.

And they could, and did, test for the virus for at least a few years before the first polio vaccine.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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SunrayAg said:

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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.

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What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.

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And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.

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Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".

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They would ban it. These anti-vaxxers would ban them all; although they usually don't say that part out loud.

I don't get why anyone wants to return to a time of plagues and pandemics that could wipe out millions, or in some cases, 1/3 of the world's population.

People need to quit thinking the WuFlu shots are the same as actual vaccines which have been around before many people here were even born.

It is truly sad that the WuFlu broke the brains of so many people, especially on the political right. The left was already screwed up, but now we have so many on the right who would question the color of the sky of Joe Rogan had a guest on who told them it was actually fuchsia. Critical thinking has gone out the window and replaced with pseudoscience and the belief that everything is a lie and/or conspiracy.

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My dad was born in 1953...back when they had a fraction of the vaccines we do for newborns/infants/very small children. Is there less illness today? Are children healthier? Deadly allergies to peanuts and other silly sh** seem to have skyrocketed since his day...what was the cause there. Will they eventually come out with a vaccine to keep kids from dying from exposure to peanut particles?

I think I could make a pretty strong argument that people actually used to be healthier and more resilient. And "Do not dare bring a single peanut into this preschool or elementary because children could literally die" wasn't a thing.

He makes it sound like autism wasn't really a thing.

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It wasn't. We need to know why rates of autism and food allergies are so much higher. It could be vaccines, it could be something else. But don't tell me I'm crazy for wondering why these things are more prevalent.

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This, correlation does not equal causation, but there is DEFINITELY a correlation. I am not saying it's vaccines...but still called a sinner for wonderin what the hell has happened to our children. I can't even take a snack that even contains trace amounts of peanuts or peanut oil into my daughter's school because it could kill a kid or cause severe difficulty breathing. THAT DID NOT EXIST IN PRIOR GENERATIONS.

The real loons are the ones who act like it's heresy to even wonder if some vaccines, or even other external factors, could be causing such a weird pehnomenon that never existed before.

You're a heretic for questioning the science. Men can get pregnant. Confused 12 y/o girls should have their t*ts chopped off. And it's ok to protest and riot during the peak of a pandemic lockdown if you are backing the right social justice causes. TRUST THE SCIENCE AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS OK?!

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shack009 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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shack009 said:

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SunrayAg said:

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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.

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What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.

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And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.

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Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".

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They would ban it. These anti-vaxxers would ban them all; although they usually don't say that part out loud.

I don't get why anyone wants to return to a time of plagues and pandemics that could wipe out millions, or in some cases, 1/3 of the world's population.

People need to quit thinking the WuFlu shots are the same as actual vaccines which have been around before many people here were even born.

It is truly sad that the WuFlu broke the brains of so many people, especially on the political right. The left was already screwed up, but now we have so many on the right who would question the color of the sky of Joe Rogan had a guest on who told them it was actually fuchsia. Critical thinking has gone out the window and replaced with pseudoscience and the belief that everything is a lie and/or conspiracy.

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My dad was born in 1953...back when they had a fraction of the vaccines we do for newborns/infants/very small children. Is there less illness today? Are children healthier? Deadly allergies to peanuts and other silly sh** seem to have skyrocketed since his day...what was the cause there. Will they eventually come out with a vaccine to keep kids from dying from exposure to peanut particles?

I think I could make a pretty strong argument that people actually used to be healthier and more resilient. And "Do not dare bring a single peanut into this preschool or elementary because children could literally die" wasn't a thing.

He makes it sound like autism wasn't really a thing.

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It wasn't. We need to know why rates of autism and food allergies are so much higher. It could be vaccines, it could be something else. But don't tell me I'm crazy for wondering why these things are more prevalent.

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A giant part of the autism data is the change in diagnoses protocols. I have three people in my family that were diagnosed on the ASD after they turned 40. You don't develop autism after you turn 40. The number of people diagnosed with Autism after 40 has absolutely skyrocketed.

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Autism has increased for a variety of reasons:

1) it is diagnosed more readily. Everyone probably has a few friends or acquaintances that are a little off socially. If they were born today, they may get a diagnosis.
2) improved medical technology has allowed children born very premature to survive. Children born before 30 weeks have a much higher chance of autism.
3) women are waiting longer to have kids. Older pregnancies lead to more complications.

It really is as simple as that.

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What specific public health measures were adopted in the mid-50s that eradicated polio, rather than the vaccines? She makes a sweeping claim without hard evidence. She may be correct, but she should produce the data.

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Her argument seems to be a combination of halting the use of DDT (countries where it's use is still prevalent still struggle with significant # of polio cases, according to her)...and then re-categorization into new illnesses.

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"After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning."

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Not saying she's right or wrong, that is just my understanding of her base argument.

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Where. Is. The. Data?

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I don't know, I haven't listened to her 3 hour podcast. There may be none. I just find her claims interesting and thought provoking. Especially the stuff about DDT...which my conservative father always assured me was 100% safe, because that is what he and those before him had been taught.

Is her claim true that severe polio cases are much more prevalent in countries that still use DDT? I don't know. Maybe you can fact check it?

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BusterAg said:

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shack009 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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shack009 said:

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SunrayAg said:

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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.

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What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.

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And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.

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Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".

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They would ban it. These anti-vaxxers would ban them all; although they usually don't say that part out loud.

I don't get why anyone wants to return to a time of plagues and pandemics that could wipe out millions, or in some cases, 1/3 of the world's population.

People need to quit thinking the WuFlu shots are the same as actual vaccines which have been around before many people here were even born.

It is truly sad that the WuFlu broke the brains of so many people, especially on the political right. The left was already screwed up, but now we have so many on the right who would question the color of the sky of Joe Rogan had a guest on who told them it was actually fuchsia. Critical thinking has gone out the window and replaced with pseudoscience and the belief that everything is a lie and/or conspiracy.

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My dad was born in 1953...back when they had a fraction of the vaccines we do for newborns/infants/very small children. Is there less illness today? Are children healthier? Deadly allergies to peanuts and other silly sh** seem to have skyrocketed since his day...what was the cause there. Will they eventually come out with a vaccine to keep kids from dying from exposure to peanut particles?

I think I could make a pretty strong argument that people actually used to be healthier and more resilient. And "Do not dare bring a single peanut into this preschool or elementary because children could literally die" wasn't a thing.

He makes it sound like autism wasn't really a thing.

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It wasn't. We need to know why rates of autism and food allergies are so much higher. It could be vaccines, it could be something else. But don't tell me I'm crazy for wondering why these things are more prevalent.

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A giant part of the autism data is the change in diagnoses protocols. I have three people in my family that were diagnosed on the ASD after they turned 40. You don't develop autism after you turn 40. The number of people diagnosed with Autism after 40 has absolutely skyrocketed.

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Autism has increased for a variety of reasons:

1) it is diagnosed more readily. Everyone probably has a few friends or acquaintances that are a little off socially. If they were born today, they may get a diagnosis.
2) improved medical technology has allowed children born very premature to survive. Children born before 30 weeks have a much higher chance of autism.
3) women are waiting longer to have kids. Older pregnancies lead to more complications.

It really is as simple as that.

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Deadly peanut allergies?

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That is so, but this aspect needs a closer look, because if it is true, those are definitely still present.

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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained. "Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The playing field, the goalpostseverything was changed… they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it." After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning.

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One of the more notable things about Covid is the fairly strong indicators it was a repackaged flu -- it was notorious that attention to the flu and mention of it practically disappeared.

On the other hand, not inclined to believe the above because naive or not as it may be I do think our institutions were a bit more honest, say God fearing, then, then they are today. I do not buy a scenario where Polio was successfully curbed was in any way a false statement.

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The influenza viruses and the corona viruses are not the same.

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Corona viruses are usually common cold viruses. The issue we had is that the federal government funded research on how to weaponize cold viruses to kill people, and those "gain of function" viruses escaped the lab, either accidentally or accidentally on purpose.

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There are quite a few common cold viruses. Coronaviruses are just one of them that, I think, is involved in a few percent of cases. The most common is the rhinovirus.

There are a number of different coronaviruses. Some, but not all, can cause a cold. I have never heard which particular coronaviruses they were doing "gain of function" work on, but I have assumed that it was the coronavirus that causes SARS, not one that causes a common cold.

Boy, there's a whole bunch of people on this thread that are commenting without even watching.

Just an update reading this between other things -- it confirms the part that terms such as `cocksackievirus' are forms of polio. So her arguments will need qualified people considering them -- its not just throwing stuff out. The gut to spine leak or transmission refers to its normal place is almost purely along the gastrointestinal tract---technically never outside it, and thus not generally infecting the nervous system (it uses the term CNS for central as prefix). Trouble begins when that occurs. Distillation will be given when finished.

The issue with the DDT claim is that correlation doesn't equal causation. The few remaining countries that use DDT on a large scale are mostly poor African nations so obviously there are all kinds of other issues that may be at play. The fact that the lady in the video can't grasp says about everything you need to know about her.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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shack009 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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shack009 said:

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SunrayAg said:

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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.

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What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.

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And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.

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Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".

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They would ban it. These anti-vaxxers would ban them all; although they usually don't say that part out loud.

I don't get why anyone wants to return to a time of plagues and pandemics that could wipe out millions, or in some cases, 1/3 of the world's population.

People need to quit thinking the WuFlu shots are the same as actual vaccines which have been around before many people here were even born.

It is truly sad that the WuFlu broke the brains of so many people, especially on the political right. The left was already screwed up, but now we have so many on the right who would question the color of the sky of Joe Rogan had a guest on who told them it was actually fuchsia. Critical thinking has gone out the window and replaced with pseudoscience and the belief that everything is a lie and/or conspiracy.

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My dad was born in 1953...back when they had a fraction of the vaccines we do for newborns/infants/very small children. Is there less illness today? Are children healthier? Deadly allergies to peanuts and other silly sh** seem to have skyrocketed since his day...what was the cause there. Will they eventually come out with a vaccine to keep kids from dying from exposure to peanut particles?

I think I could make a pretty strong argument that people actually used to be healthier and more resilient. And "Do not dare bring a single peanut into this preschool or elementary because children could literally die" wasn't a thing.

He makes it sound like autism wasn't really a thing.

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It wasn't. We need to know why rates of autism and food allergies are so much higher. It could be vaccines, it could be something else. But don't tell me I'm crazy for wondering why these things are more prevalent.

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This, correlation does not equal causation, but there is DEFINITELY a correlation. I am not saying it's vaccines...but still called a sinner for wonderin what the hell has happened to our children. I can't even take a snack that even contains trace amounts of peanuts or peanut oil into my daughter's school because it could kill a kid or cause severe difficulty breathing. THAT DID NOT EXIST IN PRIOR GENERATIONS.

The real loons are the ones who act like it's heresy to even wonder if some vaccines, or even other external factors, could be causing such a weird pehnomenon that never existed before.

You're a heretic for questioning the science. Men can get pregnant. Confused 12 y/o girls should have their t*ts chopped off. And it's ok to protest and riot during the peak of a pandemic lockdown if you are backing the right social justice causes. TRUST THE SCIENCE AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS OK?!

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Have you noticed that the more that disposable diapers are used, the higher the rate of autism being diagnosed?

It just goes to show that correlation and causation are entirely different things.

All I know is that my father/mother's generation had polio (including two of my uncles) and none of my generation had polio. That is all I need to know.

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Deadly allergies to peanuts and other silly sh** seem to have skyrocketed since his day...what was the cause there? Will they eventually come out with a vaccine to keep kids from dying from exposure to peanut particles?

I think I could make a pretty strong argument that people actually used to be healthier and more resilient. And "Do not dare bring a single peanut into this preschool or elementary because children could literally die" wasn't a thing. Where the F did that come from? I am just glad my child doesn't have any of these crazy allergies.

He makes it sound like autism wasn't really a thing.

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WSJ article (paywall)

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How Pediatricians Created the Peanut Allergy Epidemic

By recommending that children avoid exposure to peanuts until age 3, doctors inadvertently turned a rare issue into a major health problem.

The peanut allergy panic began in the 1990s, when the media started to cover stories of children who died of a peanut allergy, and doctors began writing more about the issue. In fact, peanut allergies at the time were rare and mostly mild: In 1999, researchers at Mount Sinai Hospital estimated the incidence of peanut allergies in children to be 0.6%. But starting in the year 2000, the prevalence began to surge. Doctors began to notice that more children affected had severe allergies.

What had changed wasn't peanuts but the advice doctors gave to parents about them. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) wanted to respond to public concern by telling parents what they should do to protect their kids from peanut allergies. There was just one problem: Doctors didn't actually know what precautions, if any, parents should take. Rather than admit that, in the year 2000 the AAP issued a recommendation for children 0 to 3 years old and pregnant and lactating mothers to avoid all peanuts.

The AAP committee was following in the footsteps of the U.K.'s health department, which two years earlier had recommended total peanut abstinence. That recommendation was technically only for children at high risk of developing an allergy, but the AAP authors acknowledged that "the ability to determine which infants are high-risk is imperfect." Using the strictest interpretation, a child could qualify as high-risk if any family member had any allergy or asthma.

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The article goes on to describe how a UK physician giving a lecture in Israel discovered the link between early age peanut avoidance and peanut allergies, when he asked an audience of Israeli physicians if they were treating anyone with peanut allergies, and only a couple raised their hands. Almost all Israeli children are fed a peanut-based food in infancy, and the rate of infant sensitivity to peanuts among Jewish children in Israel is 1/10th of that among Jewish children in the UK.

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Deadly allergies to peanuts and other silly sh** seem to have skyrocketed since his day...what was the cause there? Will they eventually come out with a vaccine to keep kids from dying from exposure to peanut particles?

I think I could make a pretty strong argument that people actually used to be healthier and more resilient. And "Do not dare bring a single peanut into this preschool or elementary because children could literally die" wasn't a thing. Where the F did that come from? I am just glad my child doesn't have any of these crazy allergies.

He makes it sound like autism wasn't really a thing.

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WSJ article (paywall)

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How Pediatricians Created the Peanut Allergy Epidemic

By recommending that children avoid exposure to peanuts until age 3, doctors inadvertently turned a rare issue into a major health problem.

The peanut allergy panic began in the 1990s, when the media started to cover stories of children who died of a peanut allergy, and doctors began writing more about the issue. In fact, peanut allergies at the time were rare and mostly mild: In 1999, researchers at Mount Sinai Hospital estimated the incidence of peanut allergies in children to be 0.6%. But starting in the year 2000, the prevalence began to surge. Doctors began to notice that more children affected had severe allergies.

What had changed wasn't peanuts but the advice doctors gave to parents about them. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) wanted to respond to public concern by telling parents what they should do to protect their kids from peanut allergies. There was just one problem: Doctors didn't actually know what precautions, if any, parents should take. Rather than admit that, in the year 2000 the AAP issued a recommendation for children 0 to 3 years old and pregnant and lactating mothers to avoid all peanuts.

The AAP committee was following in the footsteps of the U.K.'s health department, which two years earlier had recommended total peanut abstinence. That recommendation was technically only for children at high risk of developing an allergy, but the AAP authors acknowledged that "the ability to determine which infants are high-risk is imperfect." Using the strictest interpretation, a child could qualify as high-risk if any family member had any allergy or asthma.

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The article goes on to describe how a UK physician giving a lecture in Israel discovered the link between early age peanut avoidance and peanut allergies, when he asked an audience of Israeli physicians if they were treating anyone with peanut allergies, and only a couple raised their hands. Almost all Israeli children are fed a peanut-based food in infancy, and the rate of infant sensitivity to peanuts among Jewish children in Israel is 1/10th of that among Jewish children in the UK.

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I don't know what to believe anymore TBH. Everything has an agenda or motive. Maybe that accounts for all, most or some of it. But there are typically various factors at play, as opposed to just one culprit, when it comes to phenomenons such as these.

That definitely makes sense though. And probably some truth to it. Still seems like a lot of kids throughout the history of the US would have avoided peanuts in the initial few years of their lives...and it was never a thing until the 90's...deadly peanut allergies.

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shack009 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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shack009 said:

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SunrayAg said:

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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.

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What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.

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And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.

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Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".

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They would ban it. These anti-vaxxers would ban them all; although they usually don't say that part out loud.

I don't get why anyone wants to return to a time of plagues and pandemics that could wipe out millions, or in some cases, 1/3 of the world's population.

People need to quit thinking the WuFlu shots are the same as actual vaccines which have been around before many people here were even born.

It is truly sad that the WuFlu broke the brains of so many people, especially on the political right. The left was already screwed up, but now we have so many on the right who would question the color of the sky of Joe Rogan had a guest on who told them it was actually fuchsia. Critical thinking has gone out the window and replaced with pseudoscience and the belief that everything is a lie and/or conspiracy.

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My dad was born in 1953...back when they had a fraction of the vaccines we do for newborns/infants/very small children. Is there less illness today? Are children healthier? Deadly allergies to peanuts and other silly sh** seem to have skyrocketed since his day...what was the cause there. Will they eventually come out with a vaccine to keep kids from dying from exposure to peanut particles?

I think I could make a pretty strong argument that people actually used to be healthier and more resilient. And "Do not dare bring a single peanut into this preschool or elementary because children could literally die" wasn't a thing.

He makes it sound like autism wasn't really a thing.

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It wasn't. We need to know why rates of autism and food allergies are so much higher. It could be vaccines, it could be something else. But don't tell me I'm crazy for wondering why these things are more prevalent.

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A giant part of the autism data is the change in diagnoses protocols. I have three people in my family that were diagnosed on the ASD after they turned 40. You don't develop autism after you turn 40. The number of people diagnosed with Autism after 40 has absolutely skyrocketed.

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Autism has increased for a variety of reasons:

1) it is diagnosed more readily. Everyone probably has a few friends or acquaintances that are a little off socially. If they were born today, they may get a diagnosis.
2) improved medical technology has allowed children born very premature to survive. Children born before 30 weeks have a much higher chance of autism.
3) women are waiting longer to have kids. Older pregnancies lead to more complications.

It really is as simple as that.

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No it isn't. You are missing the biggest reason which is there is a lot of money in diagnosing and treating autism. Parents also have an incentive to get their kid diagnosed because if your kid gets diagnosed, they get accommodations like more time to take tests including the ACT and SAT which give them a leg up.

As you stated, the kid we used to call the odd one in school is now diagnosed as autistic. This is the primary reason for the increase while the 2nd and 3rd reasons you site are a distant reason for the increase. I think the second biggest reason are kids get electronics from an early age which reduce attention spans and ability to relate to people.

Many adults seem to be seeking a diagnosis of autism to "explain" why they are odd. I wonder if they are trying to evade responsibility for their behavior -- "It's not my fault that I am like I am -- it's autism."

Unless you are a vaccine specialist or immunologist, it's probably best to say "I don't know." That goes for both "sides" of this debate.

Okay, finished reading it. Much of it is dense and complex, but if you understand the gist of how such works, it is clear enough. For one thing, the initial reading thought of gut/spine barrier as some kind of physical breach or leak is incorrect. It is a physical breach, but not in that way. In a simplified nutshell: polio virus exists best in the gastro-intestinal track, with the stomach being its worst adversary -- the hardest place to survive. Once it does, it still has many other hurdles to pass. It can really only do great harm by getting into the central nervous system (CNS) which is when the paralysis starts. But it turns out that process is rather rare as the virus goes, and it is not doing it by a `leak' or breach --- it basically gets to the spine one or two ways -- via compromised neurons or synpases, or blood. But even the blood usually does not pass it readily through beyond specialized capillaries that protect the brain and spinal cord neural barrier. They have found, and that is why the vaccines work, is by far the most effective counter was an already present antibody defense activated. That part should be familiar. Somewhat less successful is the serum approach (another term and counter to disease almost forgotten in the current dialogue as an approach---first time have heard in a while now other than medicines just bearing the name) Another thing - what really stood out is the mouth is one of the main ways it gets in. With all the implications there.

What is very interesting is the bold. To some degree this was an overstated risk, and an example of public reaction creating something. That if anything, operates even more now. [Have put in italic brackets notes that refer to elsewhere in the article]

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In the periphery [of the body], poliovirus can replicate in many
cell types. [But there causes little trouble] However, in the CNS, poliovirus replication and subsequent damage is limited to
motor neurons. Paralysis from motor neuron damage is often permanent. For this reason,
poliovirus has an infamous reputation, and shaped the public view of infectious diseases in
the 20th century. In reality, the chances of a person developing serious complications from
poliovirus infection are exceedingly smallmuch smaller than the chances of being
seriously injured in an accident. In the pre-vaccine era, it is likely that most individuals
within an epidemic community were infected; however, only 48% of those infected
exhibited any symptoms of disease, with most of these developing n abortive mild febrile
illness and nothing more (Pallansch and Roos, 2001). A small subset of those with
symptoms developed aseptic meningitis, which was generally self-limiting.[didn't spread] Only 0.5% of
infected individuals developed paralytic poliomyelitis. Nonetheless, poliovirus terrified the
public and launched a massive research effort that rivals that of current HIV research. These
efforts were rewarded with two outstanding vaccines-- the Salk inactivated vaccine, and the
Sabin live-attenuated vaccine. Due to the overwhelming success of the Salk and Sabin
vaccines, poliovirus is no longer a public health threat in developed countries. In 1988, the
World Health Organization began a campaign to eradicate poliovirus from the planet by the
year 2000, using the live-attenuated trivalent Sabin poliovirus vaccine.

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Many adults seem to be seeking a diagnosis of autism to "explain" why they are odd. I wonder if they are trying to evade responsibility for their behavior -- "It's not my fault that I am like I am -- it's autism."

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You won't get an argument from me on your idea. Getting diagnosed with an issue used to be taboo because people would look negatively on you and if you had something, you hid it. Now it is a badge of honor.

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Deadly allergies to peanuts and other silly sh** seem to have skyrocketed since his day...what was the cause there? Will they eventually come out with a vaccine to keep kids from dying from exposure to peanut particles?

I think I could make a pretty strong argument that people actually used to be healthier and more resilient. And "Do not dare bring a single peanut into this preschool or elementary because children could literally die" wasn't a thing. Where the F did that come from? I am just glad my child doesn't have any of these crazy allergies.

He makes it sound like autism wasn't really a thing.

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WSJ article (paywall)

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How Pediatricians Created the Peanut Allergy Epidemic

By recommending that children avoid exposure to peanuts until age 3, doctors inadvertently turned a rare issue into a major health problem.

The peanut allergy panic began in the 1990s, when the media started to cover stories of children who died of a peanut allergy, and doctors began writing more about the issue. In fact, peanut allergies at the time were rare and mostly mild: In 1999, researchers at Mount Sinai Hospital estimated the incidence of peanut allergies in children to be 0.6%. But starting in the year 2000, the prevalence began to surge. Doctors began to notice that more children affected had severe allergies.

What had changed wasn't peanuts but the advice doctors gave to parents about them. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) wanted to respond to public concern by telling parents what they should do to protect their kids from peanut allergies. There was just one problem: Doctors didn't actually know what precautions, if any, parents should take. Rather than admit that, in the year 2000 the AAP issued a recommendation for children 0 to 3 years old and pregnant and lactating mothers to avoid all peanuts.

The AAP committee was following in the footsteps of the U.K.'s health department, which two years earlier had recommended total peanut abstinence. That recommendation was technically only for children at high risk of developing an allergy, but the AAP authors acknowledged that "the ability to determine which infants are high-risk is imperfect." Using the strictest interpretation, a child could qualify as high-risk if any family member had any allergy or asthma.

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The article goes on to describe how a UK physician giving a lecture in Israel discovered the link between early age peanut avoidance and peanut allergies, when he asked an audience of Israeli physicians if they were treating anyone with peanut allergies, and only a couple raised their hands. Almost all Israeli children are fed a peanut-based food in infancy, and the rate of infant sensitivity to peanuts among Jewish children in Israel is 1/10th of that among Jewish children in the UK.

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I don't know what to believe anymore TBH. Everything has an agenda or motive. Maybe that accounts for all, most or some of it. But there are typically various factors at play, as opposed to just one culprit, when it comes to phenomenons such as these.

That definitely makes sense though. And probably some truth to it. Still seems like a lot of kids throughout the history of the US would have avoided peanuts in the initial few years of their lives...and it was never a thing until the 90's...deadly peanut allergies.

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I went to kindergarten with someone who had a peanut allergy. My A&M class year is in my username.

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No it isn't. You are missing the biggest reason which is there is a lot of money in diagnosing and treating autism. Parents also have an incentive to get their kid diagnosed because if your kid gets diagnosed, they get accommodations like more time to take tests including the ACT and SAT which give them a leg up.

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I don't know what to tell you if you really believe this. No person in their right mind would want their child diagnosed with ASD.

And the accommodations you speak of are available for a simple ADHD diagnosis. "Opting" for ASD in order to get some perceived advantage is insane.

I still think about this moment a lot.

“Our patience is wearing thin.”

I don’t think I’ll ever forget it. That a president felt comfortable speaking that way to the people is not something I can think of ever happening before. pic.twitter.com/0YF9JyQjhL

— Jesse Kelly (@JesseKellyDC) March 27, 2025

Interesting discussion. Over the weekend I was having a discussion with my 88 neighbor, retired doctor about diseases and immunizations. He loves to read the medical journals etc. all the time. We had lots of fun during COVID, but he basically felt everything done in CVOID was BS. He took Ivermectin when he got COVID, prescribe by his doctor.

He's a vaccine supporter (Not COVID), but states their effectiveness is overstated. He was discussing data that showed substantial decline in infections just before the vaccines came out and theories that the decline would have continued with or without the vaccines. Said the same thing with COVID. As viruses mutate they become weaker the spread easier, but it reaches critical mass at some point and the now weaker virus is easy to fight and becomes more benign.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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I still think about this moment a lot.

“Our patience is wearing thin.”

I don’t think I’ll ever forget it. That a president felt comfortable speaking that way to the people is not something I can think of ever happening before. pic.twitter.com/0YF9JyQjhL

— Jesse Kelly (@JesseKellyDC) March 27, 2025

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What date was that? Presumably Jan/Feb 2021 range?

Revile him or not, notice how clearly he was able to speak at that point. Pretty fast decline after.

Forget the vaccine, real men just inject all the live viruses. If you live, you're good and that's what Allah intended.

There are several schools of thought that theorize the various reasons that food allergies and the related issue of atopic dermatitis have been increasing in prevalence in the past few decades.

Some think that IVF and alternate methods of fertilization may be contributing to the issues.

Others believe that it's an issue with environmental exposure - countries that introduce potentially allergenic foods earlier and have lower standards of cleanliness have significantly lower incidences of food allergies.

Still others believe it could be because we don't get parasites anymore. The immunological response triggered by food allergies is the same class that our body uses to fight parasite. Perhaps the lack of the latter leads to overactivity of the former.

It is likely some combination of all of these. The NIH has a few studies trying to track down the origins of food allergies.

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Interesting discussion. Over the weekend I was having a discussion with my 88 neighbor, retired doctor about diseases and immunizations. He loves to read the medical journals etc. all the time. We had lots of fun during COVID, but he basically felt everything done in CVOID was BS. He took Ivermectin when he got COVID, prescribe by his doctor.

He's a vaccine supporter (Not COVID), but states their effectiveness is overstated. He was discussing data that showed substantial decline in infections just before the vaccines came out and theories that the decline would have continued with or without the vaccines. Said the same thing with COVID. As viruses mutate they become weaker the spread easier, but it reaches critical mass at some point and the now weaker virus is easy to fight and becomes more benign.

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Viruses do often get weaker over time, but that is not true in all cases. A newer strain of West Nile Virus (the one that did in my oldest brother) was supposedly stronger than the previous strain.

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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained.

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Did she say what it is called today?

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Ralph Lauren

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I feel slightly embarrassed with myself but I chuckled at this.