Karmelo Anthony murder trial

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Enrico Pallazzo
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Unfortunately he's being sent to the Pack Unit in Navasota which has air conditioning
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Enrico Pallazzo said:

Unfortunately he's being sent to the Pack Unit in Navasota which has air conditioning


Make him be a cellmate with Big Jerry. IYKYK
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Anthony also filed a pauper oath appointment of attorney on appeal, a document that declares indigency, waives fees, and requests legal representation. It's unclear whether Anthony would be represented by the same defense team as in his first trial or if a new team would be assigned.

I guess they really did blow the gofundme money.

Still unclear to me if his trial defense counsel were PDs or privately hired.

That aside larger jurisdictions have separate resources (either inside or pro bno outside with case by case rates) for appellate work. Being a trial attorney and being an appellate attorney require different skill sets.

Trial attorneys were retained.

Like I have said many times before, the reporting has been all over the place on that. Hence, "still unclear to me." Someone filed that in pauperis form for him as he sits in county lock up.

A lawyer friend of mine is working with Toby Shook on a case in the Austin area. I asked my friend the other day if Toby was appointed or retained. So that's where I got my info.
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A tale of two parents:

-One stood up to his son's murderer and demanded that he at least provide the common decency to look him in the eye as he was speaking about how painful the murder of his son, at this persons own hand, was.
-One left prior to sentencing, after crying crocodile tears as his only defense during sentencing hearing, and presumably went to her rented gated community home that her murderer son's crowdfunding afforded her.

Interdasting.

I dont want to hear anything more about "institutionalized racism". These people are clearly crazy and either pretend to or dont understand in the first place the difference between wrong and right. Is it low IQ? Maybe. Is it tribalism? Likely. Either way, what the ****. This was as cut and dry murder case you can ever hope to try. It's insane that anyone is in Karmelo's corner for any other reason than to be happy that he killed a white person with his entire life in front of him (due to 'disrepecting' him). What a loser argument.

Enjoy prison, Melo, you're about to get made into a s'more, in short order.
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Thanks for posting that.
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He hired 2 really good lawyers. Probably spent $250,000 of the grifted money.

Well worth it. He got only 35 years when he could have gotten life.
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Kenneth_2003 said:

Why do y'all care so much about the money? Starting to sound like a bunch of whiny Occupy Wallstreet types.

Whether they hired his defense council or the attorneys took the case on a negotiated price from the county, what does it damn matter? He was adequately defended by all reports here and other reputable sources.

A fool and his money are soon parted. That goes for the donors and the recipients, however they spent it.


According to Snopes, as of mid-April, the family hadn't withdrawn any funds from the donation site, but the family had been notified that they could begin withdrawing funds. They retained his attorney, and I would guess the fee for an initial case like this would be $75K-$100K, which they should more than be able to cover from donations, and also cover his appeal without burdening the state to cover the costs of his appeal.

If they accessed and spent the cash without considering the need for paying for expert testimony, or an appeal, that doesn't speak well of their commitment to their kid's defense, or their character, which may be why folks keep homing in on the donations.
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Got a Natty! said:

aggiehawg said:

Got a Natty! said:

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Anthony also filed a pauper oath appointment of attorney on appeal, a document that declares indigency, waives fees, and requests legal representation. It's unclear whether Anthony would be represented by the same defense team as in his first trial or if a new team would be assigned.

I guess they really did blow the gofundme money.

Still unclear to me if his trial defense counsel were PDs or privately hired.

That aside larger jurisdictions have separate resources (either inside or pro bno outside with case by case rates) for appellate work. Being a trial attorney and being an appellate attorney require different skill sets.

Trial attorneys were retained.

Like I have said many times before, the reporting has been all over the place on that. Hence, "still unclear to me." Someone filed that in pauperis form for him as he sits in county lock up.

A lawyer friend of mine is working with Toby Shook on a case in the Austin area. I asked my friend the other day if Toby was appointed or retained. So that's where I got my info.

Okay, I'll accept you at your word. Apologize but hope you understand my hesitancy at pronouncing that one way or the other.
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That snopes article is from April of last year. They would have no way of knowing how much money has been withdrawn from the account.


And again, that money is irrelevant to the determination as to whether Karmelo qualifies as indigent
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fc2112 said:

will25u said:



So weird - she looks like she's about 40. How could she possible be a grandmother?


Black don't crack

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BadMoonRisin said:

I dont want to hear anything more about "institutionalized racism". These people are clearly crazy and either pretend to or dont understand in the first place the difference between wrong and right. Is it low IQ? Maybe. Is it tribalism? Likely.


Black people are by far the most tribalistic demographic in this country. Who else consistently votes 90% for one party?
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Got a Natty! said:

He hired 2 really good lawyers. Probably spent $250,000 of the grifted money.

Well worth it. He got only 35 years when he could have gotten life.

I think the new angle from his appeal are going to be that the prosecutor and the defense attorney knew each other and were somehow in cahoots to railroad Karmelo Anthony.

I dont believe that is the case.

It's a Hail Mary if I have ever seen one. Karmelo is a murderer, and it's strange to see that he was shocked at this verdict.

You did it, bro. Everyone saw you do it. Everyone testified that you were the aggressor, race-agnostically. Also, the person your defense called said you were the aggressor. Sit the f down. You were always dead to rights.

Enjoy your 3 hots and a cot for the next 25 years. Guilty af.
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True Story: I was going to an Aggie Football game and left on Friday afternoon, I pulled over in Navasota to get some gas and a drink. While walking into the gas station some rough looking guy calls out my name. I look over and it's a guy from HS (who was a loser problem kid in HS) who told me he was just released from prison after something like 12 years and he was waiting for someone to come pick him up. We chatted a bit and I told him I needed to get going , I gave him $40 and wished him luck. I now wonder if he was housed in Navasota? This was probably 15-20 years ago. This guy was trouble but seemed to have calmed down after being in prison a while.
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Ex Ex Officio Director said:

Fun fact: that prison is named after Wallace Pack, a warden who was killed by a black inmate, Eroy Brown in 1981. The two, and the farm manager Billy Max Moore, got into a scuffle with Brown over a comment Brown had made in front of another employee. It was just the three of them, out by a levee on the grounds of the Ellis Unit outside Huntsville. Somehow, Brown was able to get ahold of the gun that was in Pack's glove box, shot and killed Moore, and then got into a physical altercation with Warden Pack. Brown drowned Pack in about three inches of muddy water by sitting on his back.

That's in no way relevant to anything, other than an interesting story.

Have to include the most interesting fact, which is that Brown was acquitted of the murder of Pack and Moore in separate trials, claiming that they were attempting to drown him in the river at the time of the slayings. He was released in 1984, sent back to prison in 1985 for robbing a convenience store, and paroled once more in 2012.
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YokelRidesAgain said:

Ex Ex Officio Director said:

Fun fact: that prison is named after Wallace Pack, a warden who was killed by a black inmate, Eroy Brown in 1981. The two, and the farm manager Billy Max Moore, got into a scuffle with Brown over a comment Brown had made in front of another employee. It was just the three of them, out by a levee on the grounds of the Ellis Unit outside Huntsville. Somehow, Brown was able to get ahold of the gun that was in Pack's glove box, shot and killed Moore, and then got into a physical altercation with Warden Pack. Brown drowned Pack in about three inches of muddy water by sitting on his back.

That's in no way relevant to anything, other than an interesting story.

Have to include the most interesting fact, which is that Brown was acquitted of the murder of Pack and Moore in separate trials, claiming that they were attempting to drown him in the river at the time of the slayings. He was released in 1984, sent back to prison in 1985 for robbing a convenience store, and paroled once more in 2012.

I suppose that is really interesting.
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I wonder if there was any controversy about the decision to name a prison unit after Pack.

Given that a Texas jury in the 1980s apparently thought that there was at least a reasonable possibility that he was trying to commit a murder at the time of his death, on its face I wouldn't think of it as a great look.
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I think the new angle from his appeal are going to be that the prosecutor and the defense attorney knew each other and were somehow in cahoots to railroad Karmelo Anthony.


Not a Hail Mary. More of a complete fantasy. That's not going to be an appellate point.

Prosecution using peremptory strikes on black jurors is their big appeal point. And it will fail miserably
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Old_Ag_91 said:

Is it just me or does it feel like they are trying to get a rise out of people to start a fight or even a war/battle of races of some kind?

That will be a pretty bad idea, but you would have to be good at math to understand that
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Muy said:

BadMoonRisin said:



Some (most) people have reasonable takes about this. This should not have been a controversial case. It was as cut-and-dry as you can get from a murder case.


My queen


God bless her.
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P.H. Dexippus said:

People are still making, and GiveSendGo is still accepting donations.
https://www.givesendgo.com/helpkarmelo

ETA- it was literally disabled in the minute after I typed out my post. There were numerous contributions today.


Dang it. And I was bout to donate
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And Toby Shook has not taken an appointment in probably 20 years, except on a death penalty case.
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BMX Bandit said:

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No surprise defense filed a notice of appeal. Standard procedure.

Legal question:

Is there any risk for the defendant in a criminal case in filing an appeal?

Can the appeals court actually increase punishment/sentencing?

no on both


What are the timelines on Texas Criminal post-trial/appeals? Things like motion for new trial, etc.? I see they've filed a notice of appeal. Does it work like it does on the civil side where filing a MNT extends certain deadlines?

Does a criminal judge have to rule on a MNT, if filed?

How long does it usually take for a reporter's record to be complete in a trial like this?
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YokelRidesAgain said:

I wonder if there was any controversy about the decision to name a prison unit after Pack.

Given that a Texas jury in the 1980s apparently thought that there was at least a reasonable possibility that he was trying to commit a murder at the time of his death, on its face I wouldn't think of it as a great look.

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aggiehawg said:



There they go again.


I would love to see the supporting affidavit. DA should ask for a hearing on it.
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91AggieLawyer said:

aggiehawg said:



There they go again.


I would love to see the supporting affidavit. DA should ask for a hearing on it.


What assets do you think he's hidingv
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BadMoonRisin said:

FireAg said:

aggiehawg said:



There they go again.

So what happened to all of the GoFundMe $?

The Gofundme or gosendme or whatever was ended after the trial ended, because that was the cessation of the need, apparently; it was for his "legal defense" (which he did not use and instead picked up a brokedick PD because he declared himself indigent).

He did experience an uptick of donos after being found guilty, though. Maybe whatever crowdfunding source felt like enough was enough, but I doubt it, they are still going with the "well, his trial is over, so that's why we did it", defence.


If the site ended the fundraiser, did the family actually get any money? Usually they don't release funds until it has ended/been completed.

Or, were there other fundraisers?

This is the issue I'm having trouble with.
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BMX Bandit said:

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I think the new angle from his appeal are going to be that the prosecutor and the defense attorney knew each other and were somehow in cahoots to railroad Karmelo Anthony.


Not a Hail Mary. More of a complete fantasy. That's not going to be an appellate point.

Prosecution using peremptory strikes on black jurors is their big appeal point. And it will fail miserably


Precisely because all of the black jurors struck by the prosecution fully admitted that they could not be impartial, and God's grace upon them for being honest.

Do we really want to seat jurors based on skin color who fully admit they can not be impartial to satiate the feelings of black "moms" or whatever? What do you tell your kids? OMG its hard being a black mom? Tell them that they cannot murder white people with impunity. It's simple.

Granted, I have never had to have this conversation with my own children, because they have an IQ above room temperature and they know that stabbing someone in the chest is bad.
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91AggieLawyer said:

BMX Bandit said:

4 said:

aggiehawg said:

No surprise defense filed a notice of appeal. Standard procedure.

Legal question:

Is there any risk for the defendant in a criminal case in filing an appeal?

Can the appeals court actually increase punishment/sentencing?

no on both


What are the timelines on Texas Criminal post-trial/appeals? Things like motion for new trial, etc.? I see they've filed a notice of appeal. Does it work like it does on the civil side where filing a MNT extends certain deadlines?

Does a criminal judge have to rule on a MNT, if filed?

How long does it usually take for a reporter's record to be complete in a trial like this?


All pretty much same as civil cases. 30 days to file MNT. Judge has, IIRC, 75 days to rule on MNT. If now hearing is set, MNT is denied automatically.
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Precisely because all of the black jurors struck by the prosecution fully admitted that they could not be impartial,


This is incorrect.

The jurors that admitted they could not be impartial were stuck for cause by the court.


The prosecution struck three black jurors that never said they could not be impartial. They were struck because they were teachers. A common strike used by prosecutors
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Yep, they struck teachers because teachers over-index to being bleeding heart morons.
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BMX Bandit said:

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Precisely because all of the black jurors struck by the prosecution fully admitted that they could not be impartial,


This is incorrect.

The jurors that admitted they could not be impartial were stuck for cause by the court.


The prosecution struck three black jurors that never said they could not be impartial. They were struck because they were teachers. A common strike used by prosecutors

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Another prospective juror who identified as an educator in the Frisco Independent School District, where both the defendant and victim attended separate high schools, said, "This is close enough to home that I'm not confident that I could be completely fair."


They couldn't be impartial, and they said so.

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One prospective juror whom prosecutors identified as African American said he would "...have a hard time putting a brother in jail."

Anthony's attorney plans to argue that the defendant stabbed Metcalf, who was unarmed, in self-defense after an altercation.

Prospective jurors were asked if they would hold it against Anthony if he didn't testify.

One prospective juror admitted that it would, saying, "Silence is deafening; it matters. It's difficult to ignore."


They couldn't be impartial, and they said so.
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Special K's parents were on black radio show today being the pieces of **** they are. First time I've heard the dad. Apples and trees. Says he should never have listened to people telling him to hire white lawyers.

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So weird - she looks like she's about 40. How could she possible be a grandmother?

I met a 30 yo grandmother once. She had her daughter at age 15 and her daughter had the granddaughter at age 15. Recollect thinking that she might be a great-grandmother and still be younger than I was at the time.

I also met a 16 yo who had an emergency C-section for her 4th child. Not just 4th pregnancy, but her 4th baby before she could have driven herself to the OB appointments.
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Got a Natty! said:

He hired 2 really good lawyers. Probably spent $250,000 of the grifted money.

Well worth it. He got only 35 years when he could should have gotten life.


fify
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Those are not the jurors prosecution struck.

The three peremptory strikes used on black jury panel members were not the ones that said they couldn't be impartial.

They were as a matter of law struck by the court for cause. The prosecution didn't have to use their strikes on them.

That's how it works. Nothing in what you quoted refutes that.
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