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It's like you never owned a 98-05 Toyota that could go 400k miles.

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I had a 2008 Tundra and liked it. But it was so plain. And the 5.7, while powerful, drank gas. Maybe I got 14 to 15mpg on average if I were lucky. It produced 381 horsepower and 401ft of torque. My 24 Colorado with a ****ing 4 cylinder produces 310 horsepower and 430lb torque with a flatter powerband and 23 mpg. And it's loaded with tons of **** like adaptive cruise, AC seats, infotainment, large HD screen, all the **** that matters.

But OMG the tundra will last 300k miles. Who gives a ***** I'm not keeping any vehicle over 100k. Pieces of ****, worn seats, old tech, and outdated by then anyway.

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But you won't buy either TESLAG so why?

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I literally own a 24 Colorado with the 2.7. In new Silverado's the 5.3 is a $1,600 upgrade and requires as much or more maintenance. And is prone to lifter failure.

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No, you "ackshually" own it. As in you have one and drive it.

And yeah, the newer 5.3/6.2 LS truck engines are absolute **** .

As for German turbo 4bangers, my GTI (if I still owned it) would walk most vehicles on the road. Bigger turbo, meth injection, etc. made for fun HP numbers

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You know who else owned a VW?



That's right...Hitler!

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Das est korrekt!!!!1

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And get rid of DEF!

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A-FUGGIN-MEN!

Also, bring back high sulfur diesel so that it actually functions how diesel should function, along with providing better mileage.

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But you won't buy either TESLAG so why?

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I literally own a 24 Colorado with the 2.7. In new Silverado's the 5.3 is a $1,600 upgrade and requires as much or more maintenance. And is prone to lifter failure.

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No, you "ackshually" own it. As in you have one and drive it.

And yeah, the newer 5.3/6.2 LS truck engines are absolute **** .

As for German turbo 4bangers, my GTI (if I still owned it) would walk most vehicles on the road. Bigger turbo, meth injection, etc. made for fun HP numbers

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Yes I am comparing it to the 2011 5.3L which is a dependable workhouse

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Still not nearly as good as the small block 350 that Chevy/GMC killed off.

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These insane CAFE standards are a YUGE part of the reason that US vehicle quality has gone into the S pile.

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Many of our vehicles are better than they ever have been, safer than they ever have been, more comfortable and easier to drive than they ever have been, with performance that runs circles around their ancestors. It's like some of you never owned cars in the 80's and 90's.

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You forgot to mention significantly harder to do absolute minimal basic PM maintenance on, which was easy as hell to do yourself int he 90's.

Also, once you bought a vehicle in the 80's and 90's - whatever options or package you bought with that vehicle you actually owned.

What option or package in my 22 Tesla, 24 Colorado, or 25 Corvette do I not own?

The Tesla has virtually no maintenance. I change my own oil in the Colorado, probably will in the Vette.

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Can we keep the turbos? Asking for a friend.

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Very few of these engines are reliable. I doubt many people want them.

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Can we keep the turbos? Asking for a friend.

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Very few of these engines are reliable. I doubt many people want them.

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lol lots of modern turbos are reliable. The 2.7 ford and GM 2.7 among them. And the ecoboosts way outsell the 5.0 V8 so ya plenty of people want them.

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It's like you never owned a 98-05 Toyota that could go 400k miles.

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I had a 2008 Tundra and liked it. But it was so plain. And the 5.7, while powerful, drank gas. Maybe I got 14 to 15mpg on average if I were lucky. It produced 381 horsepower and 401ft of torque. My 24 Colorado with a ****ing 4 cylinder produces 310 horsepower and 430lb torque with a flatter powerband and 23 mpg. And it's loaded with tons of **** like adaptive cruise, AC seats, infotainment, large HD screen, all the **** that matters.

But OMG the tundra will last 300k miles. Who gives a ***** I'm not keeping any vehicle over 100k. Pieces of ****, worn seats, old tech, and outdated by then anyway.

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Speak for yourself, softy. I love old tech that works and works and works while it rumbles.. You can have that new crap just 'cause its "new tech". Half of those new "high tech" 4c go-cart internal combustion engines are giving serious problems by 60K miles.

Maybe you should just take care of your 'seats' and the car in general that way its not worn out. And what real Texas man wants AC seats.

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Can we keep the turbos? Asking for a friend.

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lol lots of modern turbos are reliable. The 2.7 ford and GM 2.7 among them. And the ecoboosts way outsell the 5.0 V8 so ya plenty of people want them.

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Most of those new turbo 4's are hot garbage. I'd buy a used 2020 Lexus RX with its proven 3.5L before I'd by the 2025 for that reason.

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Can we keep the turbos? Asking for a friend.

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Very few of these engines are reliable. I doubt many people want them.

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lol lots of modern turbos are reliable. The 2.7 ford and GM 2.7 among them. And the ecoboosts way outsell the 5.0 V8 so ya plenty of people want them.

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Most of those new turbo 4's are hot garage. I'd buy a used 2020 Lexus RX with its proven 3.5L before I'd by the 2025 for that reason.

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"most"

The BMW turbo 4's have been fantastic for a long time

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Can we keep the turbos? Asking for a friend.

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Very few of these engines are reliable. I doubt many people want them.

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lol lots of modern turbos are reliable. The 2.7 ford and GM 2.7 among them. And the ecoboosts way outsell the 5.0 V8 so ya plenty of people want them.

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Most of those new turbo 4's are hot garage. I'd buy a used 2020 Lexus RX with its proven 3.5L before I'd by the 2025 for that reason.

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"most"

The BMW turbo 4's have been fantastic for a long time

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So has Porsche. But the other zillion Auto makers not so much. Lots of them used to built good reliable 6'es and small block 8's until the CAFE screwed it all up.

Total good old day syndrome going on here.

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Can we keep the turbos? Asking for a friend.

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Very few of these engines are reliable. I doubt many people want them.

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lol lots of modern turbos are reliable. The 2.7 ford and GM 2.7 among them. And the ecoboosts way outsell the 5.0 V8 so ya plenty of people want them.

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Most of those new turbo 4's are hot garage. I'd buy a used 2020 Lexus RX with its proven 3.5L before I'd by the 2025 for that reason.

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"most"

The BMW turbo 4's have been fantastic for a long time

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So has Porsche. But the other zillion Auto makers not so much. Lots of them used to built good reliable 6'es and small block 8's until the CAFE screwed it all up.

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He doesn't seem to be able to grasp this concept for some reason.

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Can we keep the turbos? Asking for a friend.

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Very few of these engines are reliable. I doubt many people want them.

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lol lots of modern turbos are reliable. The 2.7 ford and GM 2.7 among them. And the ecoboosts way outsell the 5.0 V8 so ya plenty of people want them.

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Most of those new turbo 4's are hot garage. I'd buy a used 2020 Lexus RX with its proven 3.5L before I'd by the 2025 for that reason.

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"most"

The BMW turbo 4's have been fantastic for a long time

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So has Porsche. But the other zillion Auto makers not so much. Lots of them used to built good reliable 6'es and small block 8's until the CAFE screwed it all up.

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He doesn't seem to be able to grasp this concept for some reason.

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Because it's a terrible concept. There were plenty of unreliable 6's and 8's then too. And modern engines, even the turbos, are pretty damn reliable. It's simply good old days syndrome to suggest otherwise. Many vehicles in the 80' and 90's were just straight up unreliable trash.

I've owned two corvettes. One a 1978 C3 and now a 2025 C8. There is no comparing these two vehicles. The modern C8 is better quality wise, performance wise, reliability wise, and performance wise. There's simply no area where the C3 is better than the C8. Zero. None. Keep your old ass cars.

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Can we keep the turbos? Asking for a friend.

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I've put in the general ballpark of 1MM miles on engines with a turbo, never once have I had an issue.

Granted, they were/are diesel engines, but still haven't had an issue.

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What option or package in my 22 Tesla, 24 Colorado, or 25 Corvette do I not own?

The Tesla has virtually no maintenance. I change my own oil in the Colorado, probably will in the Vette.

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I know this comes as a shock to you, but not every single comment is directed at you specifically and sometimes they are fairly generalized comments. Take a minute and let the pain of that go away, then read further.

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Examples of Car Features with Subscriptions:

• Audi: Offers Audi Connect Care, Audi Connect Plus, and Audi Connect Nav subscriptions, according to Top Speed.
  
  
• BMW: Previously offered a heated seat subscription, which they later discontinued, notes Business Insider.
  
  
• Ford: Offers BlueCruise for a yearly or lifetime subscription, according to Top Speed.
  
  
• General Motors: Offers Super Cruise for a subscription, according to Top Speed.
  
  
• Mercedes-Benz: Provides Mercedes Me Connect features via subscription, says Top Speed.
  
  
• Tesla: Offers Full Self-Driving System as a subscription or a one-time purchase, notes Top Speed.
  
  
• Toyota: Offers remote start via subscription, notes Top Speed.

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The comment was aimed at crap like this above. Used to when you bought a vehicle, the package was part of the vehicle you bought. I.E. - you didn't have to continue to pay for a subscription to keep an option going. Not so much anymore, and I expect to see more of this type of thing become mainstream because it is a constant revenue source for manufacturers.

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It's like you never owned a 98-05 Toyota that could go 400k miles.

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I had a 2008 Tundra and liked it. But it was so plain. And the 5.7, while powerful, drank gas. Maybe I got 14 to 15mpg on average if I were lucky. It produced 381 horsepower and 401ft of torque. My 24 Colorado with a ****ing 4 cylinder produces 310 horsepower and 430lb torque with a flatter powerband and 23 mpg. And it's loaded with tons of **** like adaptive cruise, AC seats, infotainment, large HD screen, all the **** that matters.

But OMG the tundra will last 300k miles. Who gives a ***** I'm not keeping any vehicle over 100k. Pieces of ****, worn seats, old tech, and outdated by then anyway.

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Speak for yourself, softy. I love old tech that works and works and works while it rumbles.. You can have that new crap just 'cause its "new tech". Half of those new "high tech" 4c go-cart internal combustion engines are giving serious problems by 60K miles.

Maybe you should just take care of your 'seats' and the car in general that way its not worn out. And what real Texas man wants AC seats.

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This.

The more crap that gets added to vehicles, the more I start letting my fudd kick in and really start eyeballing an old square body that has none of the crap on it.

Standard transmission
Manual windows (though admittedly, I do like auto windows)
Bench seat, could tolerate captain's chairs
V-8 with minimal electronics

You know.....a truck that is just a truck. MPG be damned.

Those subscriptions require over the air, connectivity, and dynamic updates often in the form of continued development (sans BMW's heated seats which they discontinued). That's why they have subscription models. They are services, not "options". Old cars didn't include those because it wasn't possible.

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It's like you never owned a 98-05 Toyota that could go 400k miles.

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I had a 2008 Tundra and liked it. But it was so plain. And the 5.7, while powerful, drank gas. Maybe I got 14 to 15mpg on average if I were lucky. It produced 381 horsepower and 401ft of torque. My 24 Colorado with a ****ing 4 cylinder produces 310 horsepower and 430lb torque with a flatter powerband and 23 mpg. And it's loaded with tons of **** like adaptive cruise, AC seats, infotainment, large HD screen, all the **** that matters.

But OMG the tundra will last 300k miles. Who gives a ***** I'm not keeping any vehicle over 100k. Pieces of ****, worn seats, old tech, and outdated by then anyway.

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Speak for yourself, softy. I love old tech that works and works and works while it rumbles.. You can have that new crap just 'cause its "new tech". Half of those new "high tech" 4c go-cart internal combustion engines are giving serious problems by 60K miles.

Maybe you should just take care of your 'seats' and the car in general that way its not worn out. And what real Texas man wants AC seats.

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This.

The more crap that gets added to vehicles, the more I start letting my fudd kick in and really start eyeballing an old square body that has none of the crap on it.

Standard transmission
Manual windows (though admittedly, I do like auto windows)
Bench seat, could tolerate captain's chairs
V-8 with minimal electronics

You know.....a truck that is just a truck. MPG be damned.

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They don't make these because no one wants them. People say they do but they don't sell. That's why when supply chain issues hit the only thing you could find on lots were base models and people were paying MSRP or higher just to get on order lists for higher trims.

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What option or package in my 22 Tesla, 24 Colorado, or 25 Corvette do I not own?

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Distantly related to cars, huge fight right now with tractor owners and John Deere, Deere will not allow customers access to service info on tractors they thought they owned.

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2025/01/ftc-states-sue-deere-company-protect-farmers-unfair-corporate-tactics-high-repair-costs

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The Federal Trade Commission today, along with the Illinois and Minnesota Attorneys General, sued agricultural equipment manufacturer Deere & Company (Deere) over its use of unfair practices that have driven up equipment repair costs for farmers while also depriving farmers of the ability to make timely repairs on critical farming equipment, including tractors.

The FTC's complaint alleges that, for decades, Deere's unlawful practices have limited the ability of farmers and independent repair providers to repair Deere equipment, forcing farmers to instead rely on Deere's network of authorized dealers for necessary repairs. This unfair steering practice has boosted Deere's multi-billion-dollar profits on agricultural equipment and parts, growing its repair parts business while burdening farmers with higher repair costs, the FTC's complaint alleges.

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It's like you never owned a 98-05 Toyota that could go 400k miles.

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I had a 2008 Tundra and liked it. But it was so plain. And the 5.7, while powerful, drank gas. Maybe I got 14 to 15mpg on average if I were lucky. It produced 381 horsepower and 401ft of torque. My 24 Colorado with a ****ing 4 cylinder produces 310 horsepower and 430lb torque with a flatter powerband and 23 mpg. And it's loaded with tons of **** like adaptive cruise, AC seats, infotainment, large HD screen, all the **** that matters.

But OMG the tundra will last 300k miles. Who gives a ***** I'm not keeping any vehicle over 100k. Pieces of ****, worn seats, old tech, and outdated by then anyway.

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Speak for yourself, softy. I love old tech that works and works and works while it rumbles.. You can have that new crap just 'cause its "new tech". Half of those new "high tech" 4c go-cart internal combustion engines are giving serious problems by 60K miles.

Maybe you should just take care of your 'seats' and the car in general that way its not worn out. And what real Texas man wants AC seats.

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This.

The more crap that gets added to vehicles, the more I start letting my fudd kick in and really start eyeballing an old square body that has none of the crap on it.

Standard transmission
Manual windows (though admittedly, I do like auto windows)
Bench seat, could tolerate captain's chairs
V-8 with minimal electronics

You know.....a truck that is just a truck. MPG be damned.

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They don't make these because no one wants them. People say they do but they don't sell. That's why when supply chain issues hit the only thing you could find on lots were base models and people were paying MSRP or higher just to get on order lists for higher trims.

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I tend to buy used, so the only thing available is often a fancy pickup with all the bells and whistles. I have owned two Chevy "Work Trucks", the lowest trim level, and I'm fine with them. They are just hard to find.

And when buying new, the package deals offered often make the "fancy" pickups about the same price as the WT

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Those subscriptions require over the air, connectivity, and dynamic updates often in the form of continued development (sans BMW's heated seats which they discontinued). That's why they have subscription models. They are services, not "options". Old cars didn't include those because it wasn't possible.

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I don't want the updates, just let me use the service. Pretty soon I'll need a subscription to take a piss in my own house.

You still need to pay for the bandwidth and the cost to run the service on the backend. It doesn't run itself for free.

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Those subscriptions require over the air, connectivity, and dynamic updates often in the form of continued development (sans BMW's heated seats which they discontinued). That's why they have subscription models. They are services, not "options". Old cars didn't include those because it wasn't possible.

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I don't want the updates, just let me use the service. Pretty soon I'll need a subscription to take a piss in my own house.

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You will be able to flush your toilet with your smart phone. If your internet goes down, well, you are **** out of luck. But if you fly halfway around the world and realize you forgot to flush before you left home, no problem!

Also CAFE standards don't allow them. Isn't that the topic of this thread?

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You will be able to flush your toilet with your smart phone. If your internet goes down, well, you are **** out of luck.

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I see what you did there.

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Also CAFE standards don't allow them. Isn't that the topic of this thread?

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They don't allow what?