Ag_of_08 said:

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You do know an airmen was killed recently through a malfunction...

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Update:

An Airman has been arrested in connection with the death of Brayden Tyriq Lovan, a 21-year-old Defender with the U.S. Air Force’s 90th Security Forces Group, who was killed at around 1:30am on July 20 when his SIG M18 Service Handgun discharged while he was on-duty at Francis E.… pic.twitter.com/bOsA1AenYW

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) August 9, 2025

Sig obviously has a big problem on their hands which they haven't handled well, imho, but I am also still skeptical that original story was/is correct.

FWIW, I got an email from the non-profit club/range where i have a membership that until further notice P320s are not allowed due to safety concerns.

Just popped in

So…. It did not just discharge on its own? Was that part of the story completely fabricated?

bam02 said:

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So…. It did not just discharge on its own? Was that part of the story completely fabricated?

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USAF arrested someone for manslaughter of the airman. We won't know what happened until more details come out.

That said, this reeks of scapegoats and greased palms to protect a massive military contract.

I am of two completely divided minds on this:

1) That maybe video of the guy making his sig fire randomly was staged. That he screwed with the 320 more than he admitted to in his video. I have yet to see anybody reproduce what he did. (I may have just missed it)


2) the AF does NOT want to spend the money to swap and don't want Sig to go under, so they are throwing this airman under the bus. I heard in a video that all he did was put the gun down on a table (to turn it in), and it went off. It was pointing at the victim and because he was not taking proper precautions and pointing it away from people, he is getting charged for manslaghter (or whatever the charge is... less than murder).

I tend to avoid conspiracy theories and trust Occam's razor. If there is a real problem with the guns then eventually enough corroborating evidence will show up to prove it.

Until then...I think it highly likely someone might try to blame a gun when an accidental shooting happens. If there are no surviving witnesses why wouldn't you? Your life is pretty much screwed at that point and you don't have much to lose trying to push the blame elsewhere.

Disclaimer: I own a 320 x-five legion and a 320 Max

I heard in a Vanhalla video that it is almost certain that the place where the accident happened was covered by video cameras.

aTmAg said:

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I heard in a Vanhalla video that it is almost certain that the place where the accident happened was covered by video cameras.

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And without seeing such a video the simple answer is that if such a thing exists it led to the arrest of the airman and clearing the gun for use. I don't think anybody in charge of this investigation would willingly commit a crime to cover something up - way too high of a profile case for that to happen.

The Sun said:

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bam02 said:

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So…. It did not just discharge on its own? Was that part of the story completely fabricated?

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USAF arrested someone for manslaughter of the airman. We won't know what happened until more details come out.

That said, this reeks of scapegoats and greased palms to protect a massive military contract.

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Man, that is quite a stretch. Like someone else said… Occam's razor applies.

aTmAg said:

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I am of two completely divided minds on this:

1) That maybe video of the guy making his sig fire randomly was staged. That he screwed with the 320 more than he admitted to in his video. I have yet to see anybody reproduce what he did. (I may have just missed it)


2) the AF does NOT want to spend the money to swap and don't want Sig to go under, so they are throwing this airman under the bus. I heard in a video that all he did was put the gun down on a table (to turn it in), and it went off. It was pointing at the victim and because he was not taking proper precautions and pointing it away from people, he is getting charged for manslaghter (or whatever the charge is... less than murder).

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It has been reproduced numerous times. There are also many examples on video of 320s going off in holsters unexpectedly. Some of these are in Brandon Herrera's latest video. He also explains how if this is a tolerance stacking issue that would explain why some pistols are fine while some percentage are not.

And to the poster who said what I said about protecting contracts is a stretch...the military has been caught falsifying material info to get what someone wants so many times it's not funny. I 100% would not put this past them.

Cross posted from the outdoor board...

I heard about the AF shooting being a negligent homicide within a few days after it happened, from my buddy who's a sig distributor. He doesn't think there's a problem with the gun and attributes all of the discharges to the gun handler.

Some of these to be sure are issues with things getting into the holster. Backpack strap, purse strap, clothing, etc. A big issue seems to be cops keys, per my buddy.

Now of course, if someone has an ND, they're likely to blame it on the gun.

Half the problem now is separating the operator induced discharges from the manufacturing /QC induced discharges.

Another issue is holsters. Mine has a big gap, because my gunlight is a double cell streamlight. A couple of my coworkers can actually reach into their holsters and fully operate the trigger.

We're changing to single battery (narrower) gunlights and a "tighter" holster.

IMO I would take the half cocked firing pin design, with a lesser trigger. It's easier to learn to shoot a bad trigger than to worry about what might happen mechanically.

A summary of where we're at...


If it weren't for the DOD contract, the Sig 320 would disapear, IMO.

We have a neighbor friend whose P320 discharged into his leg. Really f'ed him up. Probably looking at 1.5 - 2 year recovery when it's all said and done. He's had 3 surgeries already for it.

Proficient hunter and gun owner. He's still not sure what exactly happened. Gun just went off right into his ankle.