King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Patriot25 said:

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Pam's recent remark about "hate speech" was a particularly stupid thing to say.

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Stopping hate speech that directly results in violence is not stupid. It's also not protected.

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You mean like 20 year old who works at office depot refusing to print a charlie kirk poster? Because that's what bondi is talking about. She wanted to go after office depot AFTER they fired those employees.

Conservatives have been campaigning against hate speech nonsense for 50 years. Bondi I guess didn't know that.

She needs to be laser focused on taking down antifa and their funders, but she's talking about hate speech in the context of minimum wage office depot workers. She's a clown and not up to this.

Theres too much on the line yo let a dumbass handle it because she's pretty.

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Have they been arrested?

You can think she is a dumbass and in over her head, have at it. I know you are wrong but that's okay, and it's okay to be wrong.

She is also not the only person at the DOJ working on things.

So far I have been very pleased with actual progress in fixing things. Adam Schiff in handcuffs is not high on the list for me.

I don't think you are correct.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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I don't think you are correct.

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Yeah but you think hate speech laws should exist.

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Why do you think hate speech should be protected?

And i know what the 1st amendment says. I also know SCOTIS has shown free speech is not absolute and some speech is not protected.

Hateful speech that is violent in nature, is a call to violence, leads to violence or is so extreme that it can reasonably be considered as to lead to violence should be restricted.

The first amendment was not added to Constitution to protect violence or even hateful speech. It was added to allow for sharing of ideas, protesting the government, petitioning the government, etc. Along with a "free press" it is one of the biggest checks on government.

The U.S. attorney who Trump thinks he fired resigned to avoid being disbarred. Pam Bondi would be smart to do the the same.

AC Hopper said:

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The U.S. attorney who Trump thinks he fired resigned to avoid being disbarred. Pam Bondi would be smart to do the the same.

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Which USA was this?

speech that is violent in nature, is a call to violence, leads to violence or is so extreme that it can reasonably be considered as to lead to violence should be restricted.


You don't need the "hateful" descriptor at the beginning.


Hate speech is protected speech. Full stop. Conservatives rightfully blasted Bondi for what's she said.

She saw the light and backed off. Unless her actions show otherwise, time to move on!

flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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I don't think you are correct.

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Yeah but you think hate speech laws should exist.

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Why do you think hate speech should be protected?

And i know what the 1st amendment says. I also know SCOTIS has shown free speech is not absolute and some speech is not protected.

Hateful speech that is violent in nature, is a call to violence, leads to violence or is so extreme that it can reasonably be considered as to lead to violence should be restricted.

The first amendment was not added to Constitution to protect violence or even hateful speech. It was added to allow for sharing of ideas, protesting the government, petitioning the government, etc. Along with a "free press" it is one of the biggest checks on government.

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Who defines hate speech? The govt? That is how you become Great Britain today where they arrest people for social media posts the govt doesn't like

They get to define what hate speech is. And, they is whoever is in power. Thats the problem with the concept of hate speech.

Im Gipper said:

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speech that is violent in nature, is a call to violence, leads to violence or is so extreme that it can reasonably be considered as to lead to violence should be restricted.


You don't need the "hateful" descriptor at the beginning.


Hate speech is protected speech. Full stop. Conservatives rightfully blasted Bondi for what's she said.

She saw the light and backed off. Unless her actions show otherwise, time to move on!

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This is the answer.

well said.

Hate speech includes violent speech. They are not exclusive of one another.

Yes, all hate speech is not violent speech. Though I don't have a ready example, I suppose one could conjure up violent speech that was not hateful but I think that would be rarer.

Point being that you cannot simply sate "hate speech is protected by the first amendment" as that is simply not true.

Specific to the Office Depot I don't think it was even remotely hate speech. They refused service but violated policy. For Kimmel, his comment seems intended to invoke a very immediate and emotional response. Is it hate speech or fighting words, I don't think so. But ABC yanked the show for good cause.

They would be incredibly tone deaf to reinstate him. The ratings were abysmal and the show lost tons of money, more than Colbert. I suspect Variety article is based on negotiations over contract termination.

Urban Ag said:

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I have also come to believe that Bondi is in way over her head. But geez, can't this be handled behind closed doors?

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Political pressure works.

Artorias said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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I don't think you are correct.

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Yeah but you think hate speech laws should exist.

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Why do you think hate speech should be protected?

And i know what the 1st amendment says. I also know SCOTIS has shown free speech is not absolute and some speech is not protected.

Hateful speech that is violent in nature, is a call to violence, leads to violence or is so extreme that it can reasonably be considered as to lead to violence should be restricted.

The first amendment was not added to Constitution to protect violence or even hateful speech. It was added to allow for sharing of ideas, protesting the government, petitioning the government, etc. Along with a "free press" it is one of the biggest checks on government.

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Who defines hate speech? The govt? That is how you become Great Britain today where they arrest people for social media posts the govt doesn't like

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Great question. But do you admit that here in the USA speech is not absolutely protected. Any attempt to correlate to what I said and what the current situation in the UK is asinine, full stop.

But let's look at "violent" speech too. If we say violent speech has to be restricted, then is a pro abortion speaker practicing violent speech? Speech is tricky. I am for looking at how we can have better clarity. I am not advocating for thought police.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Patriot25 said:

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Pam's recent remark about "hate speech" was a particularly stupid thing to say.

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Stopping hate speech that directly results in violence is not stupid. It's also not protected.

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There is no such thing as hate speech. It's a made up term for thought and speech control.

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Call it what ever you want. It's still protected.

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So what is the real story with Bondi? When she was getting confirmed, all the uproar was about how she would be a Trump wing person, etc. What happened to that?

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She could both be a Trump loyalist

and also incompetent as a manager of a large organization

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Hot AF. You forgot hot AF.

Just saying...

Im Gipper said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Patriot25 said:

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Pam's recent remark about "hate speech" was a particularly stupid thing to say.

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Stopping hate speech that directly results in violence is not stupid. It's also not protected.

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There is no such thing as hate speech. It's a made up term for thought and speech control.

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Call it what ever you want. It's still protected.

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So who cares what you call it, can you define it? And how clear is that line?

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They get to define what hate speech is. And, they is whoever is in power. Thats the problem with the concept of hate speech.

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Too true.

Just like how every administration gets to decide who is a terrorist. While cool and fun when it's benefiting their side, if it's done purely out of selfishness/spite, and not in the best interest of the country and everyone in it, it's just another slippery slope that no one will like in due time.

Agreed

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nortex97 said:

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I like the message…but this is bad Trump anyway. This is something that should have been discussed in a meeting, call or email. Good Lord that's a stupid way to govern.

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Transparency is a beautiful thing.

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Trump deleted it an hour later. Forgot to use his burner account.

Retired FBI Agent said:

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Sharpshooter said:

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nortex97 said:

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I like the message…but this is bad Trump anyway. This is something that should have been discussed in a meeting, call or email. Good Lord that's a stupid way to govern.

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Transparency is a beautiful thing.

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Trump deleted it an hour later. Forgot to use his burner account.

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It's still up.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115239044548033727

nortex97 said:

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Did he really intend this to be a direct message? Is it still up?

It just keeps getting more insane.

Trump apparently tried to send a DM to Pam Bondi essentially telling her that his enemies need to be prosecuted. Instead he posted it on Truth Social, and it’s now been deleted. pic.twitter.com/URZq7mIvVq

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) September 20, 2025

Goodness, between the Bagram stuff and this crap, not a great Trump weekend.

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Yes, the truth social post is still up. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about…

Houston Lee said:

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nortex97 said:

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Did he really intend this to be a direct message? Is it still up?

It just keeps getting more insane.

Trump apparently tried to send a DM to Pam Bondi essentially telling her that his enemies need to be prosecuted. Instead he posted it on Truth Social, and it’s now been deleted. pic.twitter.com/URZq7mIvVq

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) September 20, 2025

Goodness, between the Bagram stuff and this crap, not a great Trump weekend.

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Yes, the truth social post is still up. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about…

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Which guy, Richard Hanania or Trump?

No Spin Ag said:

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Houston Lee said:

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nortex97 said:

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Did he really intend this to be a direct message? Is it still up?

It just keeps getting more insane.

Trump apparently tried to send a DM to Pam Bondi essentially telling her that his enemies need to be prosecuted. Instead he posted it on Truth Social, and it’s now been deleted. pic.twitter.com/URZq7mIvVq

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) September 20, 2025

Goodness, between the Bagram stuff and this crap, not a great Trump weekend.

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Yes, the truth social post is still up. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about…

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Which guy, Richard Hanania or Trump?

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Trump is infallible!

infinity ag said:

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Retired FBI Agent said:

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Sharpshooter said:

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nortex97 said:

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I like the message…but this is bad Trump anyway. This is something that should have been discussed in a meeting, call or email. Good Lord that's a stupid way to govern.

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Transparency is a beautiful thing.

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Trump deleted it an hour later. Forgot to use his burner account.

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It's still up.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115239044548033727

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Oops my mistake.

Houston Lee said:

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nortex97 said:

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Did he really intend this to be a direct message? Is it still up?

It just keeps getting more insane.

Trump apparently tried to send a DM to Pam Bondi essentially telling her that his enemies need to be prosecuted. Instead he posted it on Truth Social, and it’s now been deleted. pic.twitter.com/URZq7mIvVq

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) September 20, 2025

Goodness, between the Bagram stuff and this crap, not a great Trump weekend.

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Yes, the truth social post is still up. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about…

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Does any actual idiot honestly believe Trump communicates with Bondi by slipping into her DMs?

Urban Ag said:

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Ted Cruz

Abbot can appoint someone to backfill him and frankly I am sick of Ted foot dragging on elections that have been too close.

Ted would kill this.

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As much as I like Ted, I think he would be all talk too and not do very much. Same could be said for when Trey Gowdy was in the House. I love both of them when it comes to House and Senate hearings, but after they're over……nothing happens.

captkirk said:

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Houston Lee said:

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nortex97 said:

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Did he really intend this to be a direct message? Is it still up?

It just keeps getting more insane.

Trump apparently tried to send a DM to Pam Bondi essentially telling her that his enemies need to be prosecuted. Instead he posted it on Truth Social, and it’s now been deleted. pic.twitter.com/URZq7mIvVq

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) September 20, 2025

Goodness, between the Bagram stuff and this crap, not a great Trump weekend.

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Yes, the truth social post is still up. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about…

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Does any actual idiot honestly believe Trump communicates with Bondi by slipping into her DMs?

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The listened to Don Lemmon and Chris Cuomo for months to get their medical advice.

So absolutely they believe Trump is ****ing up on his BlackBerry messaging to his cabinet. Completely believable.

Arrests need to be made.

The fraud DOGE uncovered.
Spying on Trumps campaign.
Russian collusion.
Auto pen.
Weaponizing the IRS.
Weaponizing the DOJ.
Treason.
Funding of domestic riots and terror.

Take your pick . . . A decade of the Left abusing their power.


All the "THIS IS BIG" . . ."GAME CHANGING" tweets . . .


Arrest someone. Prove it.

nortex97 said:

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Did he really intend this to be a direct message? Is it still up?

It just keeps getting more insane.

Trump apparently tried to send a DM to Pam Bondi essentially telling her that his enemies need to be prosecuted. Instead he posted it on Truth Social, and it’s now been deleted. pic.twitter.com/URZq7mIvVq

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) September 20, 2025

Goodness, between the Bagram stuff and this crap, not a great Trump weekend.

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Do you honestly believe this?

Rebel Yell said:

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Arrests need to be made.

The fraud DOGE uncovered.
Spying on Trumps campaign.
Russian collusion.
Auto pen.
Weaponizing the IRS.
Weaponizing the DOJ.
Treason.
Funding of domestic riots and terror.

Take your pick . . . A decade of the Left abusing their power.


All the "THIS IS BIG" . . ."GAME CHANGING" tweets . . .


Arrest someone. Prove it.

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Let me add some context to this. Each of those involve finding actual evidence that would stand up in a court of law.

These crimes were perpetrated by people who are lawyers, advised by lawyers and complicit with any oversight and law enforcement acting at the direction of the most powerful people on earth to stage a coup, steal an election, and steal trillions from the American people.

You think maybe, just maybe, they covered their tracks just a bit? You cannot even get judges to stop paying orgs identified by DOGE as fraudulent… but we are going to convict those running it of serious crimes?

I am equally frustrated and scalps should be demanded, but it is not unreasonable that they are having difficulties developing provable cases.

BTW- when they do have something, it will be released when most convenient. Either Trump needs out of a real pickle or before the midterms.

flown-the-coop said:

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Rebel Yell said:

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Arrests need to be made.

The fraud DOGE uncovered.
Spying on Trumps campaign.
Russian collusion.
Auto pen.
Weaponizing the IRS.
Weaponizing the DOJ.
Treason.
Funding of domestic riots and terror.

Take your pick . . . A decade of the Left abusing their power.


All the "THIS IS BIG" . . ."GAME CHANGING" tweets . . .


Arrest someone. Prove it.

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Let me add some context to this. Each of those involve finding actual evidence that would stand up in a court of law.

These crimes were perpetrated by people who are lawyers, advised by lawyers and complicit with any oversight and law enforcement acting at the direction of the most powerful people on earth to stage a coup, steal an election, and steal trillions from the American people.

You think maybe, just maybe, they covered their tracks just a bit? You cannot even get judges to stop paying orgs identified by DOGE as fraudulent… but we are going to convict those running it of serious crimes?

I am equally frustrated and scalps should be demanded, but it is not unreasonable that they are having difficulties developing provable cases.

BTW- when they do have something, it will be released when most convenient. Either Trump needs out of a real pickle or before the midterms.

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Defending Bondi over Trump? That's a new one.

You read all that and got defending Bondi?

I gave my thoughts on why perp walks have not occurred. I absolutely believe that would be the case if Cruz, DeSantis, Pirro, Guliani or Pontius Pilate were leading things.

It's recognizing that as incompetent as libs are they are excellent at their crimes as they are well practiced.