infinity ag said:

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The Banned said:

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BusterAg said:

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Many really smart American kids that are 3rd and 4th generation+ are too busy starting their own businesses than to spend time nerd-flexing in a physics Olympiad.

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Exactly. We round our children's education out with public speaking, business accumen, insisting they get jobs in HS to learn the value of hard work, encouraging them to think outside the box, etc. Most intelligent immigrants only understand the "grind" mentality in an academic sense. They are exceptionally good studiers, but not great thinkers. This is why Asia rips off all of our **** instead of creating their own.

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Okay. But what makes you think that Kumar and Chang in the picture don't know public speaking? Remember, these kids did not come from Delhi or Beijing. They came from San Fran, Dallas and Boston. They went to HS in America and are American for all practical purposes. They did debate in school, got good grades and played varsity sports.

But while Steve was getting hammered in a bar, Kumar and Chang were preparing for a Physics Olympiad.

I am pretty sure these winners will end up at Harvard and Stanford and start their own companies.

Sorry to burst the bubble of your "cope" but you should know the facts.

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So do you preemptively hate them since their career path eventually lands them in the CEO chair?

Too busy with tik tok, insta, reddit, and video games.

Urban Ag said:

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My son is a sophomore at A&M. In his defense he'd never been around Indians in his life whereas I worked with many over many years. His unfiltered summation after a year in 2024-25 College Station.

I think all they do is go to class and study. Most of them are nice don't get me wrong. But they don't like sports and I don't think they even go to football games. And their parents visit them all the time and take them to Costco. Sbisa always has Indian food but only white girls seem to eat it. The Indian kids eat pizza and chicken strips. And they all have Teslas and like Twisted Tea.

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That's a real good summation. I think it shows the parents have directed them to study hard, but they've failed in trying to get their kids to be well rounded. There's a reason the stereotype of the awkward Asian and Indian exist. They're really good at one thing, and it's admittedly an important thing, but they struggle mightily in other aspects of life.
Indians and Asians love them some pickleball though. Probably 2/3 of the people I play with in Frisco/Plano area are either Indian or Asian.

Give me that over all these club baseball weirdos and their families.

infinity ag said:

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Rebel Yell said:

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They are Americans.

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Yes they are.


The insight is that 50 years ago, scientists, tech, medicine was all white doctors. The numbers relatively are dwindling compared to the 70s and maybe getting into business. Chinese, Indians etc are in tech and finance and increasing.

Make what you want of it but I think the change is interesting.


1975 Microsoft

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The demographics have changed after 50 years of open immigration.

Lots of "cope" in this thread.
People are mixing up the type and background of Indians/Chinese we are talking about.

The first generation of Indians/Chinese who came to the US had a different upbringing and they would fall into the stereotype as the focus on their education was problem solving, not communication or soft skills. Fine.

I am talking about their kids who are born US citizens or who came to the US as small children and grew up in a US educational system. Most of these people move into good school districts anyway.

Their 1st gen parents push them to do science, math, medicine, engineering. In the US system, they learn how to communicate and do other things like everyone else. They participate in sports, debate etc and excel.

In my kids high school which is rated 9 or 10 on the greatschools.org site, the Indians/Chinese are doing the best. My daughter's tennis team is 70% Indian. Debate has over 40% Indian/Chinese.

I am not saying this is good or bad, and some wokes here are trying to virtue signal that "they are all American, so what?", A social scientist would find this phenomenon interesting and make projections and try to predict impacts.

Teaching for a test produces kids who only know how to take tests and not think. George Bush and his Childen Not Left Behind can also be blamed for this too. Rural school systems suck for the most part, when I moved in with my roommate from Allen, he already had credits for Calc 2 Engineering, we were barely offered core classes from the local community college an hour away.

There are tiers to education in this country and state and it is affecting kids who are unfortunate enough to be stuck in an education desert.

infinity ag said:

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Lots of "cope" in this thread.
People are mixing up the type and background of Indians/Chinese we are talking about.

The first generation of Indians/Chinese who came to the US had a different upbringing and they would fall into the stereotype as the focus on their education was problem solving, not communication or soft skills. Fine.

I am talking about their kids who are born US citizens or who came to the US as small children and grew up in a US educational system. Most of these people move into good school districts anyway.

Their 1st gen parents push them to do science, math, medicine, engineering. In the US system, they learn how to communicate and do other things like everyone else. They participate in sports, debate etc and excel.

In my kids high school which is rated 9 or 10 on the greatschools.org site, the Indians/Chinese are doing the best. My daughter's tennis team is 70% Indian. Debate has over 40% Indian/Chinese.

I am not saying this is good or bad, and some wokes here are trying to virtue signal that "they are all American, so what?", A social scientist would find this phenomenon interesting and make projections and try to predict impacts.

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The 3rd generation and especially 4th generation is going to be where the deviations really begin from the nation of origin. It's one thing for second generation kids to be all in about a lot of stuff but it's quite another for the 3rd generation to be this way. Once the connection to the home country is dead, it will be very interesting to see how these people act. A lot of the Tiger mom and ultra intense pressure from parents will be gone by the 3rd generation and completely gone by the 4th.

A lot of what you're speaking about is simply striver culture, which is one of the worst aspects of Asian cultures because it's ultra materialistic at its core with very little focus on anything else. This is why scamming and cheating are huge issues because the only goal in the end is status through materialistic goods.

I'm not saying working hard is a bad thing because the Protestant work ethic is a core American characteristic trait but there is a large difference between this and Asian striver culture, which is win at all costs.

I think there will be a regression to the mean with the 3rd and 4th generations of Asians and Indians with regards to a lot of this stuff.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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I wonder what the race and IQ people have to say about this one.

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The race and IQ people will tell you that Asians have the highest IQs (generally speaking) so that seems to play out here as well.

They seem to be right again.

TarponChaser said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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It's cultural. In most other nations. Extreme education and credentialism is one of the few sure ways to a comfortable middle to upper middle class lifestyle and the family heavily promotes a t culturally for the sake of the family.

In America, they are still a good investment but we are so relatively wealthy and entrepreneurial that there are many other viable paths to a good life and there is less cultural pressure for kids to endure the beat down of such highly focused academic sharpening. It brings less social prestige in the USA.

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These are big factors.

But I think the dumbing down of the educational system by catering to the "everyone gets a trophy" and "nobody can get their feelings hurt" crowd combined with the "math is racist" crowd makes for lesser achievement levels.

There's also a lot to be said for the well-rounded person ethos of education. I run across way too many people who are fairly brilliant in their narrow, esoteric fields of endeavor but cannot communicate with anybody outside that narrow field and have little ability to conceptualize and implement the big picture strategy, only their narrow scope of interest.

I chalk some of that up to the "trade school" mentality of education, which is pretty common on this board. A traditional, classical education sought to create critical thinkers and problem solvers not automatons.

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I bet you good money that the kids in the OP went to public school. The difference is in the parenting.

infinity ag said:

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Where did smart white people go?
Good that the US won, but it also reveals a problem. Only 2nd generation immigrants do well. Why?
Why aren't white Americans getting into STEM? Too hard?

The H1B pimps will now use this to push for more . "Americans are too dumb to do serious intellectual work so we need to import more Indians and Chinese."

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/donald-trump-physics-olympiad-photo-fuels-h1b-debate-13569643.html
'None look American': Trump's physics Olympiad photo fuels H1B debate over foreign faces

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The five-member US team, including an Indian-origin student, delivered what officials described as the 'greatest performance in team history'. But, online users noted that almost none of the team members appeared to be of visibly American origina detail that struck a nerve amid Trump's recent crackdown on skilled immigration.

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US President Donald Trump on Tuesday hosted the 2025 US Physics Olympiad team at the White House, days after signing a proclamation that imposes a $100,000 annual fee on H-1B visa applicants. The photo-op, intended to celebrate a historic academic win, has instead reignited debate over immigration and meritocracy in America.
Trump's assistant Michael Kratsios shared a photo of the president with the team on X, captioned: "Today POTUS & WHOSTP47 were proud to welcome the 2025 World Champion USA Physics Team to the WhiteHouse! These incredible geniuses DOMINATED at the International Physics Olympiad in July, bringing home a record FIVE gold medals the greatest performance in team history."

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Personally, I think these 5 guys are pretty awesome. Regardless of backgrounds or whatever.

The American Dream on display. I bet none of them are rioters or social justice activists or queer feminist theorists.

Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Lots of "cope" in this thread.
People are mixing up the type and background of Indians/Chinese we are talking about.

The first generation of Indians/Chinese who came to the US had a different upbringing and they would fall into the stereotype as the focus on their education was problem solving, not communication or soft skills. Fine.

I am talking about their kids who are born US citizens or who came to the US as small children and grew up in a US educational system. Most of these people move into good school districts anyway.

Their 1st gen parents push them to do science, math, medicine, engineering. In the US system, they learn how to communicate and do other things like everyone else. They participate in sports, debate etc and excel.

In my kids high school which is rated 9 or 10 on the greatschools.org site, the Indians/Chinese are doing the best. My daughter's tennis team is 70% Indian. Debate has over 40% Indian/Chinese.

I am not saying this is good or bad, and some wokes here are trying to virtue signal that "they are all American, so what?", A social scientist would find this phenomenon interesting and make projections and try to predict impacts.

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The 3rd generation and especially 4th generation is going to be where the deviations really begin from the nation of origin. It's one thing for second generation kids to be all in about a lot of stuff but it's quite another for the 3rd generation to be this way. Once the connection to the home country is dead, it will be very interesting to see how these people act. A lot of the Tiger mom and ultra intense pressure from parents will be gone by the 3rd generation and completely gone by the 4th.

A lot of what you're speaking about is simply striver culture, which is one of the worst aspects of Asian cultures because it's ultra materialistic at its core with very little focus on anything else. This is why scamming and cheating are huge issues because the only goal in the end is status through materialistic goods.

I'm not saying working hard is a bad thing because the Protestant work ethic is a core American characteristic trait but there is a large difference between this and Asian striver culture, which is win at all costs.

I think there will be a regression to the mean with the 3rd and 4th generations of Asians and Indians with regards to a lot of this stuff.

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It's also unsustainable. I have several clients who are 2nd gen and are raising their 3rd gen child(ren) very differently how they were raised. They are still pushing education for sure, but they're dialing it way back. These are NOT the kids in this Physics Olympiad. OP is intent on comingling the two for some reason.

YouBet said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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I wonder what the race and IQ people have to say about this one.

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The race and IQ people will tell you that Asians have the highest IQs (generally speaking) so that seems to play out here as well.

They seem to be right again.

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Anyone who has ever looked at PISA scores by race and nation could easily see how each race shakes out on average.

infinity ag said:

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Lots of "cope" in this thread.
People are mixing up the type and background of Indians/Chinese we are talking about.

The first generation of Indians/Chinese who came to the US had a different upbringing and they would fall into the stereotype as the focus on their education was problem solving, not communication or soft skills. Fine.

I am talking about their kids who are born US citizens or who came to the US as small children and grew up in a US educational system. Most of these people move into good school districts anyway.

Their 1st gen parents push them to do science, math, medicine, engineering. In the US system, they learn how to communicate and do other things like everyone else. They participate in sports, debate etc and excel.

In my kids high school which is rated 9 or 10 on the greatschools.org site, the Indians/Chinese are doing the best. My daughter's tennis team is 70% Indian. Debate has over 40% Indian/Chinese.

I am not saying this is good or bad, and some wokes here are trying to virtue signal that "they are all American, so what?", A social scientist would find this phenomenon interesting and make projections and try to predict impacts.

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Subsequent, generations are less disorientied.

infinity ag said:

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Lots of "cope" in this thread.
People are mixing up the type and background of Indians/Chinese we are talking about.

The first generation of Indians/Chinese who came to the US had a different upbringing and they would fall into the stereotype as the focus on their education was problem solving, not communication or soft skills. Fine.

I am talking about their kids who are born US citizens or who came to the US as small children and grew up in a US educational system. Most of these people move into good school districts anyway.

Their 1st gen parents push them to do science, math, medicine, engineering. In the US system, they learn how to communicate and do other things like everyone else. They participate in sports, debate etc and excel.

In my kids high school which is rated 9 or 10 on the greatschools.org site, the Indians/Chinese are doing the best. My daughter's tennis team is 70% Indian. Debate has over 40% Indian/Chinese.

I am not saying this is good or bad, and some wokes here are trying to virtue signal that "they are all American, so what?", A social scientist would find this phenomenon interesting and make projections and try to predict impacts.

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Except, it's not remotely true that these kids you're referring to are "learning to communicate." They're still super awkward outside of their very narrow scope of focus.

I deal with a lot of engineers and attorneys in land development. The Asian and Indian engineers are not the leaders or partners of those companies or practice groups. They're also the first to throw up roadblocks or say something can't be done if it's especially complex or requires creative solutions. They also can't communicate well at all. It's similar with the attorneys, they're always the ones who say why something can't be done and not looking for for a creative solution.

It's not until the 3rd or 4th generation that there's more assimilation into the American mentality and by then these ethnic groups general are at the same level as whites.

Jeeper79 said:

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TarponChaser said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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It's cultural. In most other nations. Extreme education and credentialism is one of the few sure ways to a comfortable middle to upper middle class lifestyle and the family heavily promotes a t culturally for the sake of the family.

In America, they are still a good investment but we are so relatively wealthy and entrepreneurial that there are many other viable paths to a good life and there is less cultural pressure for kids to endure the beat down of such highly focused academic sharpening. It brings less social prestige in the USA.

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These are big factors.

But I think the dumbing down of the educational system by catering to the "everyone gets a trophy" and "nobody can get their feelings hurt" crowd combined with the "math is racist" crowd makes for lesser achievement levels.

There's also a lot to be said for the well-rounded person ethos of education. I run across way too many people who are fairly brilliant in their narrow, esoteric fields of endeavor but cannot communicate with anybody outside that narrow field and have little ability to conceptualize and implement the big picture strategy, only their narrow scope of interest.

I chalk some of that up to the "trade school" mentality of education, which is pretty common on this board. A traditional, classical education sought to create critical thinkers and problem solvers not automatons.

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I bet you good money that the kids in the OP went to public school. The difference is in the parenting.

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You're probably right about public schools. And it is the parenting. That's the uncomfortable fact few want to discuss in that school funding has very little impact once you reach a certain baseline number, after that if the parents are involved and committed no amount of money will make a difference in educational achievement levels.

Why is anyone complaining about those who work and study hard achieving success? Surely you are not advocating using DEI to prop up "whites." Succeed through merit is the goal, whether you are white, brown, black, yellow or red.

taxpreparer said:

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Why is anyone complaining about those who work and study hard achieving success? Surely you are not advocating using DEI to prop up "whites." Succeed through merit is the goal, whether you are white, brown, black, yellow or red.

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Apart from a couple posters, I'm not reading it that way. I took OP's point to be a warning about getting passed up because too many white, American kids aren't focused enough on STEM.

Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Lots of "cope" in this thread.
People are mixing up the type and background of Indians/Chinese we are talking about.

The first generation of Indians/Chinese who came to the US had a different upbringing and they would fall into the stereotype as the focus on their education was problem solving, not communication or soft skills. Fine.

I am talking about their kids who are born US citizens or who came to the US as small children and grew up in a US educational system. Most of these people move into good school districts anyway.

Their 1st gen parents push them to do science, math, medicine, engineering. In the US system, they learn how to communicate and do other things like everyone else. They participate in sports, debate etc and excel.

In my kids high school which is rated 9 or 10 on the greatschools.org site, the Indians/Chinese are doing the best. My daughter's tennis team is 70% Indian. Debate has over 40% Indian/Chinese.

I am not saying this is good or bad, and some wokes here are trying to virtue signal that "they are all American, so what?", A social scientist would find this phenomenon interesting and make projections and try to predict impacts.

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The 3rd generation and especially 4th generation is going to be where the deviations really begin from the nation of origin. It's one thing for second generation kids to be all in about a lot of stuff but it's quite another for the 3rd generation to be this way. Once the connection to the home country is dead, it will be very interesting to see how these people act. A lot of the Tiger mom and ultra intense pressure from parents will be gone by the 3rd generation and completely gone by the 4th.

A lot of what you're speaking about is simply striver culture, which is one of the worst aspects of Asian cultures because it's ultra materialistic at its core with very little focus on anything else. This is why scamming and cheating are huge issues because the only goal in the end is status through materialistic goods.

I'm not saying working hard is a bad thing because the Protestant work ethic is a core American characteristic trait but there is a large difference between this and Asian striver culture, which is win at all costs.

I think there will be a regression to the mean with the 3rd and 4th generations of Asians and Indians with regards to a lot of this stuff.

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I think you are right. I don't see any evidence of this but if I were to guess, I would agree with you.

As gens go by, Kumar and Chang start to behave more and more like Steve and Melissa.

YouBet said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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I wonder what the race and IQ people have to say about this one.

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The race and IQ people will tell you that Asians have the highest IQs (generally speaking) so that seems to play out here as well.

They seem to be right again.

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Interesting. Considering someone here was boasting that Indians are low IQ and that we had a "superior culture". Of course I am sure he doesn't know that the Hindus of India have a very ancient culture and had invented man things we know now like Algebra, early forms of plastic surgery, Yoga etc.

TarponChaser said:

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infinity ag said:

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Lots of "cope" in this thread.
People are mixing up the type and background of Indians/Chinese we are talking about.

The first generation of Indians/Chinese who came to the US had a different upbringing and they would fall into the stereotype as the focus on their education was problem solving, not communication or soft skills. Fine.

I am talking about their kids who are born US citizens or who came to the US as small children and grew up in a US educational system. Most of these people move into good school districts anyway.

Their 1st gen parents push them to do science, math, medicine, engineering. In the US system, they learn how to communicate and do other things like everyone else. They participate in sports, debate etc and excel.

In my kids high school which is rated 9 or 10 on the greatschools.org site, the Indians/Chinese are doing the best. My daughter's tennis team is 70% Indian. Debate has over 40% Indian/Chinese.

I am not saying this is good or bad, and some wokes here are trying to virtue signal that "they are all American, so what?", A social scientist would find this phenomenon interesting and make projections and try to predict impacts.

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Except, it's not remotely true that these kids you're referring to are "learning to communicate." They're still super awkward outside of their very narrow scope of focus.

I deal with a lot of engineers and attorneys in land development. The Asian and Indian engineers are not the leaders or partners of those companies or practice groups. They're also the first to throw up roadblocks or say something can't be done if it's especially complex or requires creative solutions. They also can't communicate well at all. It's similar with the attorneys, they're always the ones who say why something can't be done and not looking for for a creative solution.

It's not until the 3rd or 4th generation that there's more assimilation into the American mentality and by then these ethnic groups general are at the same level as whites.

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How do you know they are awkward? Did you meet them?
They could all be Vivek Ramaswamys or Dr Sanjay Guptas. Stop stereotyping. These are US born kids who went to US schools.

taxpreparer said:

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Why is anyone complaining about those who work and study hard achieving success? Surely you are not advocating using DEI to prop up "whites." Succeed through merit is the goal, whether you are white, brown, black, yellow or red.

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Why DEI? Why not use this as encouragement and a fire under the butt to work hard and excel and compete?

infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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I wonder what the race and IQ people have to say about this one.

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The race and IQ people will tell you that Asians have the highest IQs (generally speaking) so that seems to play out here as well.

They seem to be right again.

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Interesting. Considering someone here was boasting that Indians are low IQ and that we had a "superior culture". Of course I am sure he doesn't know that the Hindus of India have a very ancient culture and had invented man things we know now like Algebra, early forms of plastic surgery, Yoga etc.

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Well, I was talking about the Orientals. Asians are not Indians. I don't care if Indians are geographically in Asia.

We were forced to abandon the term Oriental and call them Asians instead. And now in the past couple of years people are coming out of the woodwork trying to shoehorn Indians into the same term.

I'm not changing my definition again. Asians are orientals and Indians are Indians.

YouBet said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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I wonder what the race and IQ people have to say about this one.

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The race and IQ people will tell you that Asians have the highest IQs (generally speaking) so that seems to play out here as well.

They seem to be right again.

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Interesting. Considering someone here was boasting that Indians are low IQ and that we had a "superior culture". Of course I am sure he doesn't know that the Hindus of India have a very ancient culture and had invented man things we know now like Algebra, early forms of plastic surgery, Yoga etc.

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Well, I was talking about the Orientals. Asians are not Indians. I don't care if Indians are geographically in Asia.

We were forced to abandon the term Oriental and call them Asians instead. And now in the past couple of years people are coming out of the woodwork trying to shoehorn Indians into the same term.

I'm not changing my definition again. Asians are orientals and Indians are Indians.

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Well the American terminology is wrong. Indians are also Asians. Native Americans are NOT "Indians". A bunch of clueless idiots made sheet up and we are saying this for centuries.

Chinese people are Asian. And so are Indians.
Indians are not Orientals.

infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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I wonder what the race and IQ people have to say about this one.

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The race and IQ people will tell you that Asians have the highest IQs (generally speaking) so that seems to play out here as well.

They seem to be right again.

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Interesting. Considering someone here was boasting that Indians are low IQ and that we had a "superior culture". Of course I am sure he doesn't know that the Hindus of India have a very ancient culture and had invented man things we know now like Algebra, early forms of plastic surgery, Yoga etc.

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Well, I was talking about the Orientals. Asians are not Indians. I don't care if Indians are geographically in Asia.

We were forced to abandon the term Oriental and call them Asians instead. And now in the past couple of years people are coming out of the woodwork trying to shoehorn Indians into the same term.

I'm not changing my definition again. Asians are orientals and Indians are Indians.

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Well the American terminology is wrong. Indians are also Asians. Native Americans are NOT "Indians". A bunch of clueless idiots made sheet up and we are saying this for centuries.

Chinese people are Asian. And so are Indians.
Indians are not Orientals.

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I agree with all of that except Indians being Asians. They are not unless I'm allowed to use the term Oriental again.

Until such time, Indians are Indians and Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc are Asian.

infinity ag said:

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Stone Choir said:

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infinity ag said:

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Lots of "cope" in this thread.
People are mixing up the type and background of Indians/Chinese we are talking about.

The first generation of Indians/Chinese who came to the US had a different upbringing and they would fall into the stereotype as the focus on their education was problem solving, not communication or soft skills. Fine.

I am talking about their kids who are born US citizens or who came to the US as small children and grew up in a US educational system. Most of these people move into good school districts anyway.

Their 1st gen parents push them to do science, math, medicine, engineering. In the US system, they learn how to communicate and do other things like everyone else. They participate in sports, debate etc and excel.

In my kids high school which is rated 9 or 10 on the greatschools.org site, the Indians/Chinese are doing the best. My daughter's tennis team is 70% Indian. Debate has over 40% Indian/Chinese.

I am not saying this is good or bad, and some wokes here are trying to virtue signal that "they are all American, so what?", A social scientist would find this phenomenon interesting and make projections and try to predict impacts.

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The 3rd generation and especially 4th generation is going to be where the deviations really begin from the nation of origin. It's one thing for second generation kids to be all in about a lot of stuff but it's quite another for the 3rd generation to be this way. Once the connection to the home country is dead, it will be very interesting to see how these people act. A lot of the Tiger mom and ultra intense pressure from parents will be gone by the 3rd generation and completely gone by the 4th.

A lot of what you're speaking about is simply striver culture, which is one of the worst aspects of Asian cultures because it's ultra materialistic at its core with very little focus on anything else. This is why scamming and cheating are huge issues because the only goal in the end is status through materialistic goods.

I'm not saying working hard is a bad thing because the Protestant work ethic is a core American characteristic trait but there is a large difference between this and Asian striver culture, which is win at all costs.

I think there will be a regression to the mean with the 3rd and 4th generations of Asians and Indians with regards to a lot of this stuff.

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I think you are right. I don't see any evidence of this but if I were to guess, I would agree with you.

As gens go by, Kumar and Chang start to behave more and more like Steve and Melissa.

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You can see this with the Chinese and Japanese immigrants from the late 19th century and early 20th. They behave nothing like the people from those nations.

A lot of this goes back how language influences thought processes. As they become fully involved with American English with no connection to their original language, you'll see some of this change.

infinity ag said:

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TarponChaser said:

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infinity ag said:

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Lots of "cope" in this thread.
People are mixing up the type and background of Indians/Chinese we are talking about.

The first generation of Indians/Chinese who came to the US had a different upbringing and they would fall into the stereotype as the focus on their education was problem solving, not communication or soft skills. Fine.

I am talking about their kids who are born US citizens or who came to the US as small children and grew up in a US educational system. Most of these people move into good school districts anyway.

Their 1st gen parents push them to do science, math, medicine, engineering. In the US system, they learn how to communicate and do other things like everyone else. They participate in sports, debate etc and excel.

In my kids high school which is rated 9 or 10 on the greatschools.org site, the Indians/Chinese are doing the best. My daughter's tennis team is 70% Indian. Debate has over 40% Indian/Chinese.

I am not saying this is good or bad, and some wokes here are trying to virtue signal that "they are all American, so what?", A social scientist would find this phenomenon interesting and make projections and try to predict impacts.

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Except, it's not remotely true that these kids you're referring to are "learning to communicate." They're still super awkward outside of their very narrow scope of focus.

I deal with a lot of engineers and attorneys in land development. The Asian and Indian engineers are not the leaders or partners of those companies or practice groups. They're also the first to throw up roadblocks or say something can't be done if it's especially complex or requires creative solutions. They also can't communicate well at all. It's similar with the attorneys, they're always the ones who say why something can't be done and not looking for for a creative solution.

It's not until the 3rd or 4th generation that there's more assimilation into the American mentality and by then these ethnic groups general are at the same level as whites.

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How do you know they are awkward? Did you meet them?
They could all be Vivek Ramaswamys or Dr Sanjay Guptas. Stop stereotyping. These are US born kids who went to US schools.

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Stereotypes exist for a reason and the US-born folks I work with on a daily basis such as I described are awkward as hell. They're technically proficient but not creative or critical thinkers who have the ability to solve problems when it's outside standard matters.

These are engineers with some of the largest firms in the world like Pape-Dawson, LJA, etc. and they aren't leading the practice groups. A competent engineer who is a bit less technical but can communicate is the guy running the firm.

And your crying about stereotyping is absurdly hypocritical. Sorry you failed in life.

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Where did smart white people go?
Good that the US won, but it also reveals a problem. Only 2nd generation immigrants do well. Why?
Why aren't white Americans getting into STEM? Too hard?

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Start by looking in to admissions at this university.

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Rebel Yell said:

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They are Americans.

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Yes they are.


The insight is that 50 years ago, scientists, tech, medicine was all white doctors. The numbers relatively are dwindling compared to the 70s and maybe getting into business. Chinese, Indians etc are in tech and finance and increasing.

Make what you want of it but I think the change is interesting.


1975 Microsoft

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Because they did exactly what white people have been saying minorities could do. Instead of sitting around and blaming white privilege and racism for why they couldn't succeed in the U.S they used their historically strict cultures to grind out educations and become the best in tech and engineering. They said screw social lives, sports, partying, liberal arts degrees, etc. and here we are today.