Comey Indicted

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Gipper and Hawg understand the play here. Its not going to be about convictions, but to get these guys to hang themselves in the public arena.

What is Comey going to say when its dismissed on a technicality vs the facts?

Also, why is he wanting it dismissed at all. I mean, he said "I'm innocent, let's have a trial".

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Also, why is he wanting it dismissed at all. I mean, he said "I'm innocent, let's have a trial".


That's bad strategy for ANYONE, regardless of the facts.

1. You don't know how the judge is going to rule on legal issues;
2. You don't know how the jury is going to decide the factual issues;
3. There's this thing called attorneys' fees that are almost never recoverable;
4. There are things that always come out for even the most innocent of defendants that he or she would rather not come out.

A criminal trial, especially if you've done nothing wrong, will shorten your life by 2 years, especially if you're over 60. In this case, I don't believe he's done nothing wrong, but I can understand the reasons of wanting to avoid it at all costs.
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Because you'd be an idiot to not even try to get it dismissed on a technicality. But you know that.
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Appreciate the "legal" advice, but we know Comey is not doing any of this from a legal standpoint.

He's trying to get it dismissed to save his public reputation. Period.

And if he was following legal advice on a regular basis, he would never have made the statement he did.

Dude is toast. Sorry your corrupt Biden FBI lost. Trump is fixing it though.
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This has big Shane Beamer vibes.
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It's almost as if the roster of experienced career federal prosecutors that they fired for not being willing to bring charges might have actually known a thing or two, weird.
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HTownAg98 said:

This has big Shane Beamer vibes.

Beamer was doing great until the racist DPS guy broke the morale of a team on the rise.

But what the hell does that have to do with this thread?
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unmade bed said:

It's almost as if the roster of experienced career federal prosecutors that they fired for not being willing to bring charges might have actually known a thing or two, weird.

Oh they for sure as heck knew that going against the establishment was not going to go anywhere, particularly with a complicit judicial and biased jury pool.

I assume that is what you were referring to.
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unmade bed said:

It's almost as if the roster of experienced career federal prosecutors that they fired for not being willing to bring charges might have actually known a thing or two, weird.

Or corrupt actors protecting their own. But you know that.
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flown-the-coop said:

Appreciate the "legal" advice, but we know Comey is not doing any of this from a legal standpoint.

He's trying to get it dismissed to save his public reputation. Period.

And if he was following legal advice on a regular basis, he would never have made the statement he did.

Dude is toast. Sorry your corrupt Biden FBI lost. Trump is fixing it though.


I'm one of the most conservative, Pro-Trump people on here. Don't be a freakin' idiot because you make stupid statements, get caught, and can't (or don't bother to) read the response.

I'm responding to your GENERAL comment. I KNOW what his motivations are.

And I wasn't offering legal advice. Again, READ rather than be in such a hurry to respond that your response makes little to no sense.
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So the opinion of Judge Fitzpatrick says the following. Yikes

Strike 1 - Significant errors were made by the first Trump justice department during the Arctic Haze investigation into Comey's attorney, both expanding their inquiry beyond what the warrant allowed and also ignoring the attorney client privilege.

Strike 2 - Bondi and Lindsey Halligan re-investigate . . . Halligan was working against the impending statute of limitations expiry so she used the old 2019 info and not seeking a new warrant. From the court document

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Inexplicably, the government elected not to seek a new warrant for the 2025 search, even though the 2025 investigation was focused on a different person, was exploring a fundamentally different legal theory, and was predicated on an entirely different set of criminal offenses.

the government chose to unilaterally search materials that were

(1) seized five years earlier;
(2) seized in a separate and since closed investigation;
(3) that were never reviewed to determine whether the seized information was responsive to the original warrants;
(4) that were likely improperly held by the government for a prolonged period of time;
(5) that included potentially privileged communications;
(6) did so without ever engaging the privilege holders; and
(7) did so without seeking any new judicial authority.


Strike 3 - The FBI Agent who testified in the grand jury that lead to the indictment was told by multiple parties both in the DOJ and the FBI that the information supporting the indictment was problematic and in many cases privileged but he testified in support of the indictment anyway using much of the restricted information in doing so.

Strike 4 - The government prosecutor (Lindsey Halligan) makes two statements to the jurors that are misleading, prejudicial, and fundamental misstatements of the law.

Strike 5 - The prosecutors delivered multiple and competing indictments to the Magistrate judge. The second indictment was likely never presented to the Grand Jury based on the following:

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On November 14, 2025, the prosecutor filed a declaration with the Court attempting to address the issue of whether the transcript of the grand jury proceedings filed with the Court was
the full and complete transcript. ECF 187-1. The prosecutor stated that after the grand jury was
left to deliberate on the first indictment at approximately 4:28 p.m., she had no further contact with
the grand jury. The prosecutor further stated that at approximately 6:40 p.m. she was notified by
the then-First Assistant United States Attorney that the grand jury returned a true bill on only two
of the three counts presented by the government.

11 Id. The prosecutor, according to her declaration, then proceeded to the courtroom for the return of the indictment. Id. The hearing on the return of the indictment began at approximately 6:47 p.m. ECF 10.
The short time span between the moment the prosecutor learned that the grand jury rejected
one count in the original indictment and the time the prosecutor appeared in court to return the
second indictment could not have been sufficient to draft the second indictment, sign the second
indictment, present it to the grand jury, provide legal instructions to the grand jury, and give them
an opportunity to deliberate and render a decision on the new indictment.


If the prosecutor is mistaken about the time she received notification of the grand jury's vote on the original indictment, and this procedure did take place, then the transcript and audio recording provided to the Court are incomplete.12 If this procedure did not take place, then the Court is in uncharted
legal territory in that the indictment returned in open court was not the same charging document
presented to and deliberated upon by the grand jury.


Concludes by saying that grand jury secrecy is important but there is lots of case law that shows when it can be shared. In this case, the judge allows for the transcript and audio recording to be shared with the defense. he also discusses prosecutorial misconduct that undermines the integrity of the grand jury proceeding.





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91AggieLawyer said:

flown-the-coop said:

Appreciate the "legal" advice, but we know Comey is not doing any of this from a legal standpoint.

He's trying to get it dismissed to save his public reputation. Period.

And if he was following legal advice on a regular basis, he would never have made the statement he did.

Dude is toast. Sorry your corrupt Biden FBI lost. Trump is fixing it though.


I'm one of the most conservative, Pro-Trump people on here. Don't be a freakin' idiot because you make stupid statements, get caught, and can't (or don't bother to) read the response.

I'm responding to your GENERAL comment. I KNOW what his motivations are.

And I wasn't offering legal advice. Again, READ rather than be in such a hurry to respond that your response makes little to no sense.

What "stupid" statement did this "idiot" make?

Perhaps you got carried away thinking I had no idea about how legal defense works. I know much more about the law than your average f16 lawyer, that has been apparent for years now.

To me and just about anybody else, saying Comey is just following good legal advice by seeking all these avenues to get his case dismissed on a technicality is covering up the actual crimes and atrocities.

And pointing to him saying he wanted a trial is giving context and comparison.

You can put your ad homs back in your pocket. I am happy to explain myself if you happen to not understand where I am coming from.

Too many times legal beagles want to focus on the procedural aspects of the law. And whilst that can be useful, with the lawfare since Trump went down the escalator legal discussions should focus on the law and intent of the law. It amazes me how many lawyers don't like talking in those terms but it doesn't bother me.
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Putting an incompetent person in charge (alone) goes with my hypothesis.

Tanked from the start.

"No one is above the law". Yeah right.

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HTownAg98
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That's kind of my thought. They were running up against the SoL deadline, and no one wanted to try this case. So they all said "who can we give this steaming pile of poop of a case to so that it can quickly go away?".
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HTownAg98 said:

That's kind of my thought. They were running up against the SoL deadline, and no one wanted to try this case. So they all said "who can we give this steaming pile of poop of a case to so that it can quickly go away?".

Why is the case a steaming pile of poop?
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AUSAs at DOJ wouldn't be turning it down if they felt they could win it. You also wouldn't have an attorney with zero criminal law experience handling the case either.
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Well, I was genuinely hopeful that Trump might have something on comey, but it looks like Trump did as good a job with this legal investigation at he did with the 2020 election theft investigation. Maybe he can get release the kraken to come out of retirement to tweet about comey's imminent demise.
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So sounds like this one is headed for the trash bin and Comey and the media will be basking in the afterglow of Team Trump incompetence.

Is the Leticia James indictment also headed that way?
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It's got a lot of the same problems the Comey case has (Halligan not properly appointed, vindictive prosecution, etc.), but at first glance the facts against James are at least colorable that a crime was committed.
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HTownAg98 said:

It's got a lot of the same problems the Comey case has (Halligan not properly appointed, vindictive prosecution, etc.), but at first glance the facts against James are at least colorable that a crime was committed.

And of course the biggest problem is that Biden and Merrick Garland were in office for four years and they were perpetrating actual crimes against Trump and his supporters. They were never going to prosecute Comey for his admitted crimes.
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HTownAg98 said:

It's got a lot of the same problems the Comey case has (Halligan not properly appointed, vindictive prosecution, etc.), but at first glance the facts against James are at least colorable that a crime was committed.


There is no SOL issue so if Halligan is replaced, then the DOJ has time to re-indict. This issue is going to be what info the now-fired IG was trying to get prosecutors about Pulte's access to the mortgage files. It sounds like the IG found Brady material (exculpatory evidence) that is required to be turned over to James.

I will have to find the Bloomberg article about the IG firing.

*sorry- it was Reuters and here is the article:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/watchdog-being-ousted-us-housing-regulator-involved-trump-crackdown-sources-say-2025-11-03/
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Ellis Wyatt said:

HTownAg98 said:

It's got a lot of the same problems the Comey case has (Halligan not properly appointed, vindictive prosecution, etc.), but at first glance the facts against James are at least colorable that a crime was committed.

And of course the biggest problem is that Biden and Merrick Garland were in office for four years and they were perpetrating actual crimes against Trump and his supporters. They were never going to prosecute Comey for his admitted crimes.

K.
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Joseydog said:

HTownAg98 said:

It's got a lot of the same problems the Comey case has (Halligan not properly appointed, vindictive prosecution, etc.), but at first glance the facts against James are at least colorable that a crime was committed.


There is no SOL issue so if Halligan is replaced, then the DOJ has time to re-indict. This issue is going to be what info the now-fired IG was trying to get prosecutors about Pulte's access to the mortgage files. It sounds like the IG found Brady material (exculpatory evidence) that is required to be turned over to James.

I will have to find the Bloomberg article about the IG firing.

Correct, they could properly appoint a new attorney and get another indictment. And yes, that material is likely going to be a problem.
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So, for us non-lawyers...who is at fault for what seems like persecutorial incompetency? Or was Comey's actions legal to begin with? I'm confused and butt-hurt if he and others "walk"!
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whatthehey78 said:

So, for us non-lawyers...who is at fault for what seems like persecutorial incompetency?


100% on whomever decided to let Haligan run this and do so alone.


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Or was Comey's actions legal to begin with? "!



This (and related motions) has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. It's purely on whether DoJ followed the law.

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whatthehey78 said:

So, for us non-lawyers...who is at fault for what seems like persecutorial incompetency? Or was Comey's actions legal to begin with? I'm confused and butt-hurt if he and others "walk"!

Comey's actions weren't legal to begin with. He wants to walk on a technicality because he believes himself to be above the law. He may actually be.

Any prosecutorial incompetence falls squarely on Pam Bondi's shoulders.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

whatthehey78 said:

So, for us non-lawyers...who is at fault for what seems like persecutorial incompetency? Or was Comey's actions legal to begin with? I'm confused and butt-hurt if he and others "walk"!

Comey's actions weren't legal to begin with. He wants to walk on a technicality because he believes himself to be above the law. He may actually be.

Any prosecutorial incompetence falls squarely on Pam Bondi's shoulders.


I guess a "technicality" is one way of characterizing a federal prosecutor presenting improper evidence to a Grand Jury.
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IANAL, I'm tired, it took entirely too long to research this to make a coherent rebuttal and it is late.

The Mag Court ruling was stayed by the district court judge.



Couple of things I personally feel are important to this conversation.

First... The judge was trying to rush the whole GJ information release to get around the DOJ appealing his ruling. 4 hours and 22 minutes from his ruling "RELEASE ALL GJ MATERIALS" to when the Judge was going to release. Ruling at 10:38am and release by 3pm for GJ documents and 5pm for GJ audio. All I hear from lawyers on here and elsewhere say courts are ridiculously slow. But even with the "rocket docket" here in E. VA District Court 4:22 seems like and exceedingly ridiculous short amount of time. Is this normal? I am guessing not.

Second... Richman as Comey's council. I don't know why the DOJ didn't bring this up. They KNEW he was conflicted with Comey. How can you represent someone that you conspired with to leak classified/secret information to the press. Wouldn't that be a co-conspirator? Also, how can he objectively represent Comey, when he was the original target in Artic Haze and the evidence in that investigation(Richman) is being used in this case?

Lets go over your post strike by strike...

Strike 1 & 2: This whole point seems shaky to me. The old evidence was lawfully seized years ago, so does Comey have the right to complain about a search on Richman's computer, it wasn't even his stuff. I'm guessing the prosecution has every right to look at evidence already in their possession? And here is where Richman as Comey's lawyer is causing issues. Richman can't be objective in defending Comey if SOL has not elapsed on all possible Artic Haze charges(Espionage Act?).

Strike 3: The agent immediately reported that he might have seen something protected. The judge also admitted when he went over the GJ documents that he "...did not immediately recognize any overtly privileged communications..." The DOJ has been asking to set up a taint team to deal with this, but the judge sidestepped the whole taint team issue with just wanting to release it all to Comey.

Strike 4: Seems like to me the judge is speculating what the jurors thought. He is reading a transcript of the prosecutors comments during the GJ proceedings. "The prosecutor's statement that [REDACTED] may have reasonably set an expectation in the minds of the grand jurors..." Seems pretty speculative on the judges part.

Strike 5: Seems pretty meh to me. Seems like a minor paperwork issue or clerical issue? Does this really affect whether the indictments voted on by the GJ are valid? Seems like the judge is making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

All of this to say... Everything I said is probably totally wrong in law/court but these are my thoughts.

Good night.
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Truncated in parts to make it easier to read:

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First... The judge was trying to rush the whole GJ information release to get around the DOJ appealing his ruling.


No doubt, it was very rushed! Moreso because likely pissed off about the perceived shenanigans from DOJ. The magistrate knows he can't prevent the appeal. Comey did get his wish of quick briefing schedule, which is appropriate given trial in 7 weeks.


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Second... Richman as Comey's council. I don't know why the DOJ didn't bring this up. They KNEW he was conflicted with Comey.


Did you mean Fitzgerald? Richman represented Comey in . Not in this case over the " leak classified/secret information to the press."

The "Fitzgerald conflict" is shaping up to be one of the tXitter lawyers v. actual lawyers on the case issues. DoJ would have long ago filed a motion to disqualify Fitzgerald if they thought there was any real conflict.


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Strike 1 & 2: This whole point seems shaky to me. The old evidence was lawfully seized years ago, so does Comey have the right to complain about a search on Richman's computer, it wasn't even his stuff. I'm guessing the prosecution has every right to look at evidence already in their possession? And here is where Richman as Comey's lawyer is causing issues. Richman can't be objective in defending Comey if SOL has not elapsed on all possible Artic Haze charges(Espionage Act?).


Richman is not defending him in this case. Prosecution does not have the right to use everything in their possession. That is the key fight here. Did DoJ used privileged communications in a separate grand jury investigation in this case? Its comes down to what the government had the right to search versus the right to seize.

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Strike 3: The agent immediately reported that he might have seen something protected. The judge also admitted when he went over the GJ documents that he "...did not immediately recognize any overtly privileged communications..." The DOJ has been asking to set up a taint team to deal with this, but the judge sidestepped the whole taint team issue with just wanting to release it all to Comey.


That is a headscratcher for sure. (Even with the rest of the judge's explanation). On the taint team issue, its too late in terms of what was presented to the grand jury.

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Strike 4: Seems like to me the judge is speculating what the jurors thought. He is reading a transcript of the prosecutors comments during the GJ proceedings. "The prosecutor's statement that [REDACTED] may have reasonably set an expectation in the minds of the grand jurors..." Seems pretty speculative on the judges part.


Windy City Ag Strike 4 was "The government prosecutor (Lindsey Halligan) makes two statements to the jurors that are misleading, prejudicial, and fundamental misstatements of the law." These are enormous no-nos.

I get what you are saying, but that is the judge's job in this situation to "speculate". When a potentially improper statement is made to the grand jury, the court can't go back and poll them to ask "how did this make you feel?"

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Strike 5: Seems pretty meh to me. Seems like a minor paperwork issue or clerical issue? Does this really affect whether the indictments voted on by the GJ are valid? Seems like the judge is making a mountain out of a mole hill here.


With all due respect, and it's a lot because you are one of my favorite posters, you are way off on this. The "Strike 5" was "The prosecutors delivered multiple and competing indictments to the Magistrate judge. The second indictment was likely never presented to the Grand Jury based on the following…

This is an enormous issue if it is true the returned indictment is not she same as the charging document presented to the grand jury It does not per se mean something improper happen, but it certainly should make everyone raise an eyebrow that the facts even suggest that may have happened. It is definitely enough to warrant release of the grand jury materials under Rule 6(e)(3)(E)(ii).

NOTE: None of this is to say the magistrate got it right. I have not read all the briefing, just his order.
I completely get the "if this was a republican, there would be no problem with any of this" position. There is plenty to suggest that may be the case.

But if what this judge is intimating happened did in fact happen, then this case should be dismissed. Halligan is completely incompetent to handle his job. I can't even blame her really, she was thrown into a job she was not qualified for and had zero experience in.



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To be clear, this combative judge is just further proof we have two systems of justice, dependent on jurisdiction. It's a threat to the Republic.
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It was long into the night, so I was probably confusing everything in my delirium. But I couldn't sleep. So I decided to write obviously a long-winded incorrect post

I guess next time I should just keep my incorrect thoughts to myself.
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And in regards to the grand jury. I don't know that I'm really opposed to Comey getting that information. Individual rights even with possibly biased judges should be Paramount over to government. And if halligan or whoever made fatal errors with the grand jury it needs to be adjudicated correctly.

I still do think the ruling to give comey all of the grand jury was ridiculously fast. . It was set to be released by the judge. Seems ridiculously fast.

ETA. Voice to text sometimes really sucks
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We must admit. It is just hard to catch a snake, especially if that snake has liberal support.
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Lets check in with the expert:

" Generally not a ground to invalidate an indictment.

Misstatements of law by prosecutors in front of the the GJ is a subject that has a LOOOOONG history of litigation.

Not a new topic and defendants rarely win on it."

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Shipwreckedcrew is by far the #1 person on X talking about Federal criminal procedure. Its not even close really.

Calls it fair and down the middle.

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