FriscoKid said:DallasAg 94 said:
Poor Frisco.
What did I do?
In all seriousness, there was a Frisco HS that couldn't field a football team because of the demographics of the school. And, I would feel much safer driving on the roads up here if we reduced the H1B residents.
2wealfth Man said:
The student driver bumper sticker industry is going to go bust
2wealfth Man said:
The student driver bumper sticker industry is going to go bust now
Colonel Kurtz said:
All Indians must go
scd88 said:Colonel Kurtz said:
All Indians must go
My parents immigrated from India to Houston in 1964 and are still here? They should go?
What about me? I was born in Houston but my blood is 100% Indian.
These Indians that are getting hammered on this thread...are they violent? Did they cross over a border illegally?
Do they scheme over in India to come over here to purposefully take American jobs, or do they look at it as an opportunity that's been afforded to them by the rules set forth by our government?
And for all the comments about "smelly" and how they run the gas and sips...what are you? 4th graders?
infinity ag said:
H1Bs are no longer eligible to apply for mortgages insured by the FMA from May 25. They must use conventional loans which needs bigger down payment and higher credit scores.
Leading to fewer people buying houses.
This is going to impact the housing market in areas drenched by H1Bs like Dallas, San Francisco Bay, Seattle, Austin, Boston. Hold on to your asses.
Trump is slowly and gradually squeezing H1Bs out of the country.
H-1B Visa Holders Disappear From US Housing Market
https://www.newsweek.com/h-1b-visa-holders-disappear-from-us-housing-market-10882216
Oct 15, 2025 at 10:02 AM EDTQuote:
The number of new FHA mortgages granted to non-permanent residents has dropped to near-zero following the Trump administration's recent executive orders targeting immigrants, according to new data.
In a March 26 letter, the Department of Housing and Urban Development announced that non-permanent residents in the United States, including H-1B visa holders, would no longer be eligible for mortgages insured by the Federal Housing Administration (FHA), effective May 25.Quote:
The move, the letter said, was in line with President Donald Trump's "commitment to safeguarding economic opportunities for U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents," while also ensuring that "federal benefits, including access to FHA-insured mortgages, are reserved for individuals who hold lawful permanent resident status."
The impact of these policy changes has already become evident in the U.S. housing market, "reshaping the housing market for non-permanent residents," Alex Thomas of John Burns Research & Consulting (JBREC) posted on X.
What Do The Latest Numbers Show?Quote:
A new report by JBREC, authored by Thomas and colleagues Eric Finnigan and Zack Ray, found that non-permanent residents, also referred to as NPRs, made up less than 1 percent of FHA loan volume nationally in June, down from nearly 5.5 percent a month earlier and over 6 percent in April.
In July and August, the share of non-permanent residents securing the government-backed loans issued by the FHA was near zero percent. That was the lowest level in the timeline provided by JBREC, which dates back to February 2018.
"New FHA mortgages to NPRs have dropped to near-zero following a rule change in May," Alex Thomas, one of the experts behind JBREC's new report, wrote on X. "NPRs made up ~4 percent of FHA loan volume nationally in 2024; more in some markets, especially in Florida."Last week, @JBREC clients got access to a new piece from me and @EricFinnigan on how recent policy changes are reshaping the housing market for non-permanent residents (NPRs).
— Alex Thomas (@housing_alex) October 14, 2025
One notable finding: new FHA mortgages to NPRs have dropped to near-zero following a rule change in… pic.twitter.com/f5Zcvm0uwl
FriscoKid said:DallasAg 94 said:
Poor Frisco.
What did I do?
In all seriousness, there was a Frisco HS that couldn't field a football team because of the demographics of the school. And, I would feel much safer driving on the roads up here if we reduced the H1B residents.
Quote:
At Liberty, in the northern Dallas suburb of Frisco, Swinnea could barely field a team.
After winning a district title in 2021 with a 10-2 record, the program went 1-29 over the following three seasons. When Liberty lost 64-7 to second-year varsity program Prosper Walnut Grove last October, the team listed only 28 players on its varsity roster. That number was comparable to schools in smaller classifications and accounted for less than 2% of the enrollment at Liberty, which competes in Class 5A Division II.
As a coach in Frisco ISD, which has opened five high schools in the last 10 years, Swinnea had to sell families on the value of athletics. He wasn't in a small town anymore, where generations of families went to the same school and played on the local sports team.
"It wasn't inherent in people's mind that [sports is educational]," Swinnea said. "In their minds, it was more recreational … You almost became an evangelist trying to preach the value of athletics, rather than people coming to you knowing the value."
"In suburbia, not just Frisco ISD but North Texas, you have a lot of first-generation, second-generation, not just Americans but Texans," Swinnea said. "There's just a view that's different. It's still pretty important in one-school towns and rural areas, but there's more competition for people's attention and effort and money in suburbia."
DallasAg 94 said:
Poor Frisco.
2wealfth Man said:scd88 said:Colonel Kurtz said:
All Indians must go
My parents immigrated from India to Houston in 1964 and are still here? They should go?
What about me? I was born in Houston but my blood is 100% Indian.
These Indians that are getting hammered on this thread...are they violent? Did they cross over a border illegally?
Do they scheme over in India to come over here to purposefully take American jobs, or do they look at it as an opportunity that's been afforded to them by the rules set forth by our government?
And for all the comments about "smelly" and how they run the gas and sips...what are you? 4th graders?
no issues other than they need to come here legally, in a controlled fashion numbers wise, under a scheme that is not completely corrupted and, lastly, assimilate. My school district has been overrun and we are highly suspicious of several Indian neighbors who have school age kids from India which, strangely, seem to come and go in their house. They are running what I would call an education flop house. Lord knows how much they are getting paid from folks back in India for the "service". No bueno for me and ultimately hurts the ability of people who want to immigrate the right way.
Signel said:
Yeah but you are ABCD so....
chod beta chod.
infinity ag said:
You should care. Because it hurts you, your kids, your grandkids. If you don't have these, then it hurts your friends and your country men and women.
1. A job an H1B takes up is something that an American is deprived of. Win-lose. Don't buy into corporate bs of "we didn't have skills in the US, so we had to bring in Rajesh". US corporations don't want to hire fresh grads and train them and build a pipeline of local talent. Instead they want quick fixes which in the long run robs the country of expertise as locals can't get trained and foreigners can.
2. H1Bs not getting loans means housing prices will fall in H1B-rich cities. That means Dallas, SF, Seattle etc. That may not be bad news but if you bought at the high, it could be. In areas where only H1Bs can afford, it could cause a crash.
3. H1Bs send a lot of money out of the country. Usually to India. That money does not circulate in the US economy like it should It is gone forever.
4. As H1Bs take up more and more jobs, locals cannot get those jobs so they leave and get into lower paying jobs. So tax revenues fall and US cities start to suffer. Eventually we become the 3rd world.
Remember, nothing in life is free. We sold out our long term interest for short term gains. Now we suffer. We better reverse this.
scd88 said:Signel said:
Yeah but you are ABCD so....
chod beta chod.
I don't know what an ABCD is.
B-1 83 said:Colonel Kurtz said:
All Indians must go
Only Indians?
JG88 said:
I see a lot of multi generational families buying houses.
Over_ed said:infinity ag said:
You should care. Because it hurts you, your kids, your grandkids. If you don't have these, then it hurts your friends and your country men and women.
1. A job an H1B takes up is something that an American is deprived of. Win-lose. Don't buy into corporate bs of "we didn't have skills in the US, so we had to bring in Rajesh". US corporations don't want to hire fresh grads and train them and build a pipeline of local talent. Instead they want quick fixes which in the long run robs the country of expertise as locals can't get trained and foreigners can.
2. H1Bs not getting loans means housing prices will fall in H1B-rich cities. That means Dallas, SF, Seattle etc. That may not be bad news but if you bought at the high, it could be. In areas where only H1Bs can afford, it could cause a crash.
3. H1Bs send a lot of money out of the country. Usually to India. That money does not circulate in the US economy like it should It is gone forever.
4. As H1Bs take up more and more jobs, locals cannot get those jobs so they leave and get into lower paying jobs. So tax revenues fall and US cities start to suffer. Eventually we become the 3rd world.
Remember, nothing in life is free. We sold out our long term interest for short term gains. Now we suffer. We better reverse this.
Good OP, but this follow-up needs a few changes (by the points see bold)
1. You are always arguing that H1Bs are low talent. Now they are so talented the can supply "quick fixes" without needing to train up?
2. Even in H1B rich cities, the prospect of fewer FUTURE sales to H1Bs is very unlikely to move prices.
3. You really, really, really need to learn something about economics. I can't address this in full, but consider this: Suppose every H1B took all their pay in cash, then burned the whole pile. Would that make your dollars worth less or more?
4. Do you really think H1Bs are paying less property or sales (or income for that matter) tax?
Perhaps taking a bit longer to think about what you are posting? And no disrespect intended.
scd88 said:2wealfth Man said:scd88 said:Colonel Kurtz said:
All Indians must go
My parents immigrated from India to Houston in 1964 and are still here? They should go?
What about me? I was born in Houston but my blood is 100% Indian.
These Indians that are getting hammered on this thread...are they violent? Did they cross over a border illegally?
Do they scheme over in India to come over here to purposefully take American jobs, or do they look at it as an opportunity that's been afforded to them by the rules set forth by our government?
And for all the comments about "smelly" and how they run the gas and sips...what are you? 4th graders?
no issues other than they need to come here legally, in a controlled fashion numbers wise, under a scheme that is not completely corrupted and, lastly, assimilate. My school district has been overrun and we are highly suspicious of several Indian neighbors who have school age kids from India which, strangely, seem to come and go in their house. They are running what I would call an education flop house. Lord knows how much they are getting paid from folks back in India for the "service". No bueno for me and ultimately hurts the ability of people who want to immigrate the right way.
Fair points here. I agree on getting here legally, but I don't know how Indians get here illegally. They don't cross the border at Mexico.
Assimilating is important and that is a fair concern. I don't mind multigenerational living arrangements (it's a thing in many cultures) but don't trash the hood. Learn to speak the language. The assimilation rules apply to all immigrants.
They send money back but it's not laundered to avoid paying taxes here.
Also important to not lump the Pakistani's in with the Indians here in the US as it relates to non tech. Easy to confuse but a huge difference culturally.
scd88 said:
I understand the OP's frustration with Indians because he's probably had experiences where they cost him money. However, as I've said before, hate the game, not the player.
AGC said:scd88 said:Signel said:
Yeah but you are ABCD so....
chod beta chod.
I don't know what an ABCD is.
America born confused desi
Edit: I'm surprised, I've known this term for 15+ years from my time in grad school, and it wasn't new then.
Over_ed said:infinity ag said:
You should care. Because it hurts you, your kids, your grandkids. If you don't have these, then it hurts your friends and your country men and women.
1. A job an H1B takes up is something that an American is deprived of. Win-lose. Don't buy into corporate bs of "we didn't have skills in the US, so we had to bring in Rajesh". US corporations don't want to hire fresh grads and train them and build a pipeline of local talent. Instead they want quick fixes which in the long run robs the country of expertise as locals can't get trained and foreigners can.
2. H1Bs not getting loans means housing prices will fall in H1B-rich cities. That means Dallas, SF, Seattle etc. That may not be bad news but if you bought at the high, it could be. In areas where only H1Bs can afford, it could cause a crash.
3. H1Bs send a lot of money out of the country. Usually to India. That money does not circulate in the US economy like it should It is gone forever.
4. As H1Bs take up more and more jobs, locals cannot get those jobs so they leave and get into lower paying jobs. So tax revenues fall and US cities start to suffer. Eventually we become the 3rd world.
Remember, nothing in life is free. We sold out our long term interest for short term gains. Now we suffer. We better reverse this.
Good OP, but this follow-up needs a few changes (by the points see bold)
1. You are always arguing that H1Bs are low talent. Now they are so talented the can supply "quick fixes" without needing to train up?
2. Even in H1B rich cities, the prospect of fewer FUTURE sales to H1Bs is very unlikely to move prices.
3. You really, really, really need to learn something about economics. I can't address this in full, but consider this: Suppose every H1B took all their pay in cash, then burned the whole pile. Would that make your dollars worth less or more?
4. Do you really think H1Bs are paying less property or sales (or income for that matter) tax?
Perhaps taking a bit longer to think about what you are posting? And no disrespect intended.
Buck Turgidson said:B-1 83 said:Colonel Kurtz said:
All Indians must go
Only Indians?
I'm a lot more concerned about Chinese nationals. I don't know why we are educating the population of a hostile competitor.
torrid said:Over_ed said:infinity ag said:
You should care. Because it hurts you, your kids, your grandkids. If you don't have these, then it hurts your friends and your country men and women.
1. A job an H1B takes up is something that an American is deprived of. Win-lose. Don't buy into corporate bs of "we didn't have skills in the US, so we had to bring in Rajesh". US corporations don't want to hire fresh grads and train them and build a pipeline of local talent. Instead they want quick fixes which in the long run robs the country of expertise as locals can't get trained and foreigners can.
2. H1Bs not getting loans means housing prices will fall in H1B-rich cities. That means Dallas, SF, Seattle etc. That may not be bad news but if you bought at the high, it could be. In areas where only H1Bs can afford, it could cause a crash.
3. H1Bs send a lot of money out of the country. Usually to India. That money does not circulate in the US economy like it should It is gone forever.
4. As H1Bs take up more and more jobs, locals cannot get those jobs so they leave and get into lower paying jobs. So tax revenues fall and US cities start to suffer. Eventually we become the 3rd world.
Remember, nothing in life is free. We sold out our long term interest for short term gains. Now we suffer. We better reverse this.
Good OP, but this follow-up needs a few changes (by the points see bold)
1. You are always arguing that H1Bs are low talent. Now they are so talented the can supply "quick fixes" without needing to train up?
2. Even in H1B rich cities, the prospect of fewer FUTURE sales to H1Bs is very unlikely to move prices.
3. You really, really, really need to learn something about economics. I can't address this in full, but consider this: Suppose every H1B took all their pay in cash, then burned the whole pile. Would that make your dollars worth less or more?
4. Do you really think H1Bs are paying less property or sales (or income for that matter) tax?
Perhaps taking a bit longer to think about what you are posting? And no disrespect intended.
In regard to #1, the H1Bs my company hires are almost always new graduates with PhDs from American universities. It's not that a PhD is required to do the job and someone with a BS can't, but they can hit the ground running. As infinity ag said they don't want to take the time and effort to develop talent internally.
It inevitably leads to the belief that ONLY PhDs can do the job, and they will only hire those engineers. That in turn leads to a perceived shortage of talent and to more foreigners coming to America to study so they can get a job at an American company when they graduate. It's a cycle that builds on itself.
Ol_Ag_02 said:DallasAg 94 said:
Poor Frisco.
You forgot Allen, Coppell, McKinney, Plano, and Southlake.
I'm sure I'm missing a few.
infinity ag said:
H1Bs are no longer eligible to apply for mortgages insured by the FMA from May 25. They must use conventional loans which needs bigger down payment and higher credit scores.
Leading to fewer people buying houses.
This is going to impact the housing market in areas drenched by H1Bs like Dallas, San Francisco Bay, Seattle, Austin, Boston. Hold on to your asses.
Trump is slowly and gradually squeezing H1Bs out of the country.
H-1B Visa Holders Disappear From US Housing Market
https://www.newsweek.com/h-1b-visa-holders-disappear-from-us-housing-market-10882216
Oct 15, 2025 at 10:02 AM EDTQuote:
The number of new FHA mortgages granted to non-permanent residents has dropped to near-zero following the Trump administration's recent executive orders targeting immigrants, according to new data.
In a March 26 letter, the Department of Housing and Urban Development announced that non-permanent residents in the United States, including H-1B visa holders, would no longer be eligible for mortgages insured by the Federal Housing Administration (FHA), effective May 25.Quote:
The move, the letter said, was in line with President Donald Trump's "commitment to safeguarding economic opportunities for U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents," while also ensuring that "federal benefits, including access to FHA-insured mortgages, are reserved for individuals who hold lawful permanent resident status."
The impact of these policy changes has already become evident in the U.S. housing market, "reshaping the housing market for non-permanent residents," Alex Thomas of John Burns Research & Consulting (JBREC) posted on X.
What Do The Latest Numbers Show?Quote:
A new report by JBREC, authored by Thomas and colleagues Eric Finnigan and Zack Ray, found that non-permanent residents, also referred to as NPRs, made up less than 1 percent of FHA loan volume nationally in June, down from nearly 5.5 percent a month earlier and over 6 percent in April.
In July and August, the share of non-permanent residents securing the government-backed loans issued by the FHA was near zero percent. That was the lowest level in the timeline provided by JBREC, which dates back to February 2018.
"New FHA mortgages to NPRs have dropped to near-zero following a rule change in May," Alex Thomas, one of the experts behind JBREC's new report, wrote on X. "NPRs made up ~4 percent of FHA loan volume nationally in 2024; more in some markets, especially in Florida."Last week, @JBREC clients got access to a new piece from me and @EricFinnigan on how recent policy changes are reshaping the housing market for non-permanent residents (NPRs).
— Alex Thomas (@housing_alex) October 14, 2025
One notable finding: new FHA mortgages to NPRs have dropped to near-zero following a rule change in… pic.twitter.com/f5Zcvm0uwl
Teslag said:
Only American citizens should be able to own homes or land
B-1 83 said:Colonel Kurtz said:
All Indians must go
Only Indians?
scd88 said:
I understand the OP's frustration with Indians because he's probably had experiences where they cost him money. However, as I've said before, hate the game, not the player.
FriscoKid said:DallasAg 94 said:
Poor Frisco.
What did I do?
In all seriousness, there was a Frisco HS that couldn't field a football team because of the demographics of the school. And, I would feel much safer driving on the roads up here if we reduced the H1B residents.
Quote:
Do they scheme over in India to come over here to purposefully take American jobs, or do they look at it as an opportunity that's been afforded to them by the rules set forth by our government?
Quote:
Chandrakant Patel, Oakdale Police Chief Chad Doyle, and City Marshal Michael "Freck" Slaney, all charged in a federal indictment tied to U-visa fraud and conspiracy.(KPLC)
Prosecutors allege that businessman Chandrakant Patel orchestrated the scheme by collecting payments from foreign nationals and coordinating with law enforcement officers across multiple Louisiana jurisdictions to create fraudulent U-Visas.
torrid said:Over_ed said:infinity ag said:
You should care. Because it hurts you, your kids, your grandkids. If you don't have these, then it hurts your friends and your country men and women.
1. A job an H1B takes up is something that an American is deprived of. Win-lose. Don't buy into corporate bs of "we didn't have skills in the US, so we had to bring in Rajesh". US corporations don't want to hire fresh grads and train them and build a pipeline of local talent. Instead they want quick fixes which in the long run robs the country of expertise as locals can't get trained and foreigners can.
2. H1Bs not getting loans means housing prices will fall in H1B-rich cities. That means Dallas, SF, Seattle etc. That may not be bad news but if you bought at the high, it could be. In areas where only H1Bs can afford, it could cause a crash.
3. H1Bs send a lot of money out of the country. Usually to India. That money does not circulate in the US economy like it should It is gone forever.
4. As H1Bs take up more and more jobs, locals cannot get those jobs so they leave and get into lower paying jobs. So tax revenues fall and US cities start to suffer. Eventually we become the 3rd world.
Remember, nothing in life is free. We sold out our long term interest for short term gains. Now we suffer. We better reverse this.
Good OP, but this follow-up needs a few changes (by the points see bold)
1. You are always arguing that H1Bs are low talent. Now they are so talented the can supply "quick fixes" without needing to train up?
2. Even in H1B rich cities, the prospect of fewer FUTURE sales to H1Bs is very unlikely to move prices.
3. You really, really, really need to learn something about economics. I can't address this in full, but consider this: Suppose every H1B took all their pay in cash, then burned the whole pile. Would that make your dollars worth less or more?
4. Do you really think H1Bs are paying less property or sales (or income for that matter) tax?
Perhaps taking a bit longer to think about what you are posting? And no disrespect intended.
In regard to #1, the H1Bs my company hires are almost always new graduates with PhDs from American universities. It's not that a PhD is required to do the job and someone with a BS can't, but they can hit the ground running. As infinity ag said they don't want to take the time and effort to develop talent internally.
It inevitably leads to the belief that ONLY PhDs can do the job, and they will only hire those engineers. That in turn leads to a perceived shortage of talent and to more foreigners coming to America to study so they can get a job at an American company when they graduate. It's a cycle that builds on itself.
javajaws said:
On the one hand "I don't care" because H1B. On the other - I'm not really sure these people are costing us anything here. Its not like they are going to invest in a house and then just default on it and go back to India without selling. Seems more of a solution looking for a problem.
But again...on my list of things I worry about this isn't even in the top 100 regardless of the decision.
also, many many many employers hide job postings specifically to be able to hire an H1-B instead of an American. They'll do shady **** like post the job in the Sunday classifieds in a local newspaper instead of on their global job board so they can represent to the U.S. government that there were "no" qualified U.S. applicants.bmks270 said:javajaws said:
On the one hand "I don't care" because H1B. On the other - I'm not really sure these people are costing us anything here. Its not like they are going to invest in a house and then just default on it and go back to India without selling. Seems more of a solution looking for a problem.
But again...on my list of things I worry about this isn't even in the top 100 regardless of the decision.
It jacks up housing prices because there are more buyers in the market. Makes it harder for citizens to own a home.
