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What is peak travel speed necessary to travel from the nearest galaxy to our planet?

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Depends on how much time you got on your hands.

Instead of nearest galaxy let's go with the nearest star. With current technology we can be cooking burgers on a beach near Proxima Centauri in a cool 76,000 years.

If we can match the speed of light its 4.2 years but nobody has a theory on how to do that

Our own sun is 8 light minutes away. If it exploded now, we would not know it for another 8 minutes

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I don't think we're aware of any habitable planets around proxima centauri.
I'm pretty sure the nearest star with a rocky planet within the habital zone is significantly farther.

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A lot of assumptions. IF these beings are real why assume they are from outside the solar system? Why also assume their objective is to remain unseen and it's some failure when they are seen?

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Not an expert but too cold beyond the asteroid belt? Saturns moon theory is more about life in general not intelligent alien types I thought.

2. Thinking they don't care if seen assumes even more. You're not factoring in the vast tech delta if they are real. Beyond our comprehension by a large order of magnitude. No way they wouldn't have a way to remain undetected. However, that tech delta could be so extreme they view us as apes and DGAF at all about being seen like we wouldn't care in the bush in Africa if observing.

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The idea that there are beings in the universe who have mastered technology to the point where interstellar travel is available to them, but they just can't avoid being spotted by Jethro in rural Wyoming on a regular basis will never stop being funny to me.

The belief that aliens are regularly being accidentally seen by humans is the most self defeating premise imaginable.

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At some point, you think they'd learn to avoid North America and the UK!

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Thousands of years ago, stories were told of strange creatures called dragons over the distant mountains. Then we traveled there and found no dragons. Hundreds of years ago, stories were told of strange sea creatures able to take down whole ships over the water's horizons. Then we sailed all the seas and found there were no such sea monsters. Now we laugh at those superstitious and gullible people of the past, fooled by fanciful stories. But at the same time, we look beyond the space horizon and believe stories of fanciful creatures out there just beyond our perception. We are no less gullible than the superstitious of old. I will remain skeptical until someone stops telling i will be amazed at what's coming. Just show me the evidence you have on hand right now and I'll decide if I'm amazed. Until then, I will be skeptical of your fanciful stories.

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I was just like you 40 years ago………but then I witnessed a stationary object in the midday sky move over 20 miles in 2 seconds and come to a complete stop after making a small hook to the left. Very impressive technology. Was it alien or our own technology?

I tend to believe that if we progressed from biplanes to the SR-71 (which was developed in the 1950's), imagine what advancements could be made in the 30 years after the development of that advanced jet plane.

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The idea that there are beings in the universe who have mastered technology to the point where interstellar travel is available to them, but they just can't avoid being spotted by Jethro in rural Wyoming on a regular basis will never stop being funny to me.

The belief that aliens are regularly being accidentally seen by humans is the most self defeating premise imaginable.

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At some point, you think they'd learn to avoid North America and the UK!

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Mr. Click click der more worried about survival and has better things to do I guess

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Principal Uncertainty said:

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Thousands of years ago, stories were told of strange creatures called dragons over the distant mountains. Then we traveled there and found no dragons. Hundreds of years ago, stories were told of strange sea creatures able to take down whole ships over the water's horizons. Then we sailed all the seas and found there were no such sea monsters. Now we laugh at those superstitious and gullible people of the past, fooled by fanciful stories. But at the same time, we look beyond the space horizon and believe stories of fanciful creatures out there just beyond our perception. We are no less gullible than the superstitious of old. I will remain skeptical until someone stops telling i will be amazed at what's coming. Just show me the evidence you have on hand right now and I'll decide if I'm amazed. Until then, I will be skeptical of your fanciful stories.

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I was just like you 40 years ago………but then I witnessed a stationary object in the midday sky move over 20 miles in 2 seconds and come to a complete stop after making a small hook to the left. Very impressive technology. Was it alien or our own technology?

I tend to believe that if we progressed from biplanes to the SR-71 (which was developed in the 1950's), imagine what advancements could be made in the 30 years after the development of that advanced jet plane.

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And if we built the SR-71 for the first time today, it would still be considered decades ahead of its time.

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The concept of alien visitors are so far beyond logic it's amazing how many people nerves ask the relevant questions


Interstellar travel

99.9% hidden among us except when they're spotted being patently obvious

Technologically superior by a very large margin, yet choose to just survey us without detection (allegedly for decades)

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All they have to do is traverse time and space on an infinite scale. Nothing more than missing your exit on I10.

The only thing I find more far fetched than aliens visiting us from another planet, is the idea that humans could possess significant technological advantages without using them to subjugate others.

I can remember that you could buy a replica model airplane kit of the SR-71 long before the public was allowed to view the aircraft in 1976.

The topic is always frustrating and sometimes a guilty pleasure.

I have a relative that had an encounter when he was about 16. I completely believe that he believes the story. Not something he volunteers.

Until recently I would have thought this topic to be about technology. But the older I get the more the idea that it is spiritual starts making more sense. Which is frustrating because if they are Biblical type beings I don't know what the correct course of action could possibly be.

No it doesn't. I'm not assuming they want to remain hidden. That was the assumption made. And the other assumption was their origin. And then those two assumptions were said to be diametrically opposed and therefore these things can't exist.

It's a terrible thinking process.

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The concept of alien visitors are so far beyond logic it's amazing how many people nerves ask the relevant questions


Interstellar travel

99.9% hidden among us except when they're spotted being patently obvious

Technologically superior by a very large margin, yet choose to just survey us without detection (allegedly for decades)

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The hubris in this post is staggering.

I think it's really arrogant of humanity to assume in the vast swath of space us, and only us, we're super special enough to develop tool making, reason, agriculture, etc etc to become space faring.

Do I know wtf this stuff is? No. Are there hoaxes? Yes. Are there dumb people who think what they're seeing is a "real" ufo and turns out it's something innocuous like a reflection or street light? Also yes.

But for that small number of fringe cases, I find it hard to just hand wave this away. Your dismissive statement about detecting these ships can easily be dismantled. First, assuming there is a race more advanced than we are, how can you begin to put yourself in its shoes and attempt to understand why it does what it does? Here's the issue with speculation. I can say right back that, perhaps in those instances they wanted to be seen. Or, more believably, what we see as the "famous" UFO cases are just scratching the surface of what's out there, and that these cases had to deal with technical malfunctions or something. That's all still possible in this hypothetical cut down of the aliens intelligence.

Second, I believe there definitely aliens and I do think they've visited earth before. Most notably, I believe a crash near Roswell absolutely happened. I think the being we recovered was injured fatally and died shortly thereafter. I think Eisenhower was briefed on all this and knew. After this, I'm not sure what I believe. But at a baseline, I do believe this happened.

Then again, I also believe many of the UFO sightings (if not easily debunked) are probably heavily on the man made side, and I suspect most of the man made craft are remote controlled like drones.

Principal Uncertainty said:

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Thousands of years ago, stories were told of strange creatures called dragons over the distant mountains. Then we traveled there and found no dragons. Hundreds of years ago, stories were told of strange sea creatures able to take down whole ships over the water's horizons. Then we sailed all the seas and found there were no such sea monsters. Now we laugh at those superstitious and gullible people of the past, fooled by fanciful stories. But at the same time, we look beyond the space horizon and believe stories of fanciful creatures out there just beyond our perception. We are no less gullible than the superstitious of old. I will remain skeptical until someone stops telling i will be amazed at what's coming. Just show me the evidence you have on hand right now and I'll decide if I'm amazed. Until then, I will be skeptical of your fanciful stories.

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Interesting point and spot-on.

Side bar: We presume to be "modern" and smarter than those that came before us - but are we really? In some ways, I envy the knowledge of the past.

My grandfather understood how everything on his farm worked and he wouldn't own anything he couldn't repair by himself. For example he didn't allow my dad or my uncles to buy a radio until they studied how it worked and could repair it themselves. They had a working farm - grew and butchered what they ate. Today - I'm far more educated than my grandfather, but I believe he had more complete understanding of his "world" than I do. I drive to an HEB in a truck so complex about all I can do is change the oil.

I'm not saying technology is our enemy or interdependency has made us weak - I'd be dead without modern medicine, but don't you think in many ways our ancestors were much more grounded in their knowledge than we are?

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FrioAg 00 said:

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The concept of alien visitors are so far beyond logic it's amazing how many people nerves ask the relevant questions


Interstellar travel

99.9% hidden among us except when they're spotted being patently obvious

Technologically superior by a very large margin, yet choose to just survey us without detection (allegedly for decades)

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The hubris in this post is staggering.

I think it's really arrogant of humanity to assume in the vast swath of space us, and only us, we're super special enough to develop tool making, reason, agriculture, etc etc to become space faring.

Do I know wtf this stuff is? No. Are there hoaxes? Yes. Are there dumb people who think what they're seeing is a "real" ufo and turns out it's something innocuous like a reflection or street light? Also yes.

But for that small number of fringe cases, I find it hard to just hand wave this away. Your dismissive statement about detecting these ships can easily be dismantled. First, assuming there is a race more advanced than we are, how can you begin to put yourself in its shoes and attempt to understand why it does what it does? Here's the issue with speculation. I can say right back that, perhaps in those instances they wanted to be seen. Or, more believably, what we see as the "famous" UFO cases are just scratching the surface of what's out there, and that these cases had to deal with technical malfunctions or something. That's all still possible in this hypothetical cut down of the aliens intelligence.

Second, I believe there definitely aliens and I do think they've visited earth before. Most notably, I believe a crash near Roswell absolutely happened. I think the being we recovered was injured fatally and died shortly thereafter. I think Eisenhower was briefed on all this and knew. After this, I'm not sure what I believe. But at a baseline, I do believe this happened.

Then again, I also believe many of the UFO sightings (if not easily debunked) are probably heavily on the man made side, and I suspect most of the man made craft are remote controlled like drones.

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The concept of alien visitors are so far beyond logic it's amazing how many people nerves ask the relevant questions


Interstellar travel

99.9% hidden among us except when they're spotted being patently obvious

Technologically superior by a very large margin, yet choose to just survey us without detection (allegedly for decades)

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There are no aliens*.

Light speed is the programmed maximum speed in which characters can travel in the simulation. Everything else too far away in order to keep the characters within the fully rendered area to save processing power etc…

* - Until they are suddenly introduced to the program. Same as a zombie apocalypse.

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The idea that there are beings in the universe who have mastered technology to the point where interstellar travel is available to them, but they just can't avoid being spotted by Jethro in rural Wyoming on a regular basis will never stop being funny to me.

The belief that aliens are regularly being accidentally seen by humans is the most self defeating premise imaginable.

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At some point, you think they'd learn to avoid North America and the UK!

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That picture will also never stop being funny

What are the reasons you know this to be true? Im in the "no clue, could be" camp, so curious on the facts behind this

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Second, I believe there definitely aliens and I do think they've visited earth before. Most notably, I believe a crash near Roswell absolutely happened. I think the being we recovered was injured fatally and died shortly thereafter. I think Eisenhower was briefed on all this and knew

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Principal Uncertainty said:

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Thousands of years ago, stories were told of strange creatures called dragons over the distant mountains. Then we traveled there and found no dragons. Hundreds of years ago, stories were told of strange sea creatures able to take down whole ships over the water's horizons. Then we sailed all the seas and found there were no such sea monsters. Now we laugh at those superstitious and gullible people of the past, fooled by fanciful stories. But at the same time, we look beyond the space horizon and believe stories of fanciful creatures out there just beyond our perception. We are no less gullible than the superstitious of old. I will remain skeptical until someone stops telling i will be amazed at what's coming. Just show me the evidence you have on hand right now and I'll decide if I'm amazed. Until then, I will be skeptical of your fanciful stories.

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Name does NOT check out. You seem pretty certain.

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FrioAg 00 said:

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The concept of alien visitors are so far beyond logic it's amazing how many people nerves ask the relevant questions


Interstellar travel

99.9% hidden among us except when they're spotted being patently obvious

Technologically superior by a very large margin, yet choose to just survey us without detection (allegedly for decades)

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The hubris in this post is staggering.

I think it's really arrogant of humanity to assume in the vast swath of space us, and only us, we're super special enough to develop tool making, reason, agriculture, etc etc to become space faring.

Do I know wtf this stuff is? No. Are there hoaxes? Yes. Are there dumb people who think what they're seeing is a "real" ufo and turns out it's something innocuous like a reflection or street light? Also yes.

But for that small number of fringe cases, I find it hard to just hand wave this away. Your dismissive statement about detecting these ships can easily be dismantled. First, assuming there is a race more advanced than we are, how can you begin to put yourself in its shoes and attempt to understand why it does what it does? Here's the issue with speculation. I can say right back that, perhaps in those instances they wanted to be seen. Or, more believably, what we see as the "famous" UFO cases are just scratching the surface of what's out there, and that these cases had to deal with technical malfunctions or something. That's all still possible in this hypothetical cut down of the aliens intelligence.

Second, I believe there definitely aliens and I do think they've visited earth before. Most notably, I believe a crash near Roswell absolutely happened. I think the being we recovered was injured fatally and died shortly thereafter. I think Eisenhower was briefed on all this and knew. After this, I'm not sure what I believe. But at a baseline, I do believe this happened.

Then again, I also believe many of the UFO sightings (if not easily debunked) are probably heavily on the man made side, and I suspect most of the man made craft are remote controlled like drones.

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Nobody is saying we are alone in the universe, that is effectively impossible. The issue is with the idea that aliens are smart enough to get here, but then **** up in all sorts of wild ways once they do.

Crossing the cosmos only to crash land in New Mexico or be spotted by rural beat farmers is just absurd on its face.

I believe we are misspelling Aliens which should actually be spelled Angels, and occasionally they drop us technological advancements to make life on earth more sustainable and bearable. To my simple mind, it's the only thing that makes sense and accounts for a majority of the encounters.

If Angels have wings, why do they need spaceships?

And if we are holding that Angel that flew too close to the ground at Roswell, I don't think that is going to keep us in most favored nation status with the Man upstairs!

Ben, back in Dec in 2020, I begin to write up a massive expose called "As in the Days of Noah"

It is now about 106 pages long with hundreds of links. In it I delve heavily into scripture, history and science.

This expose exposes what I called "The Last Great Deceptions" , the first l covered was the Covid scam, the second was the Climate Change scam. And the third and last 'great deception was the ' Aiien & Medical Technology scam. beginning on page 64

This vid by Kelly/Hanson hit on a number of things that I wrote about. Here are a few excerpts from this.

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"Though by no means a new deception, the UFO Alien Extraterrestrial scam will soon be pushing its way on to center stage - (it is since I started writing this) along with the climate change lie to try to cover up the COVID scam as it is being revealed for what it truly is, a very evil sinister scheme that will either kill or maim millions as the next great crisis deception! In fact, I would be surprised if demons/fallen angels posing as 'alien/extraterritorial beings' are not already 'behind' their human puppets driving this agenda! (there are many signs that point to this being the case). They will need an even bigger lie to push, to keep the masses under fear and under control and from going on a rampage against them. This is to set the stage to blame shift the next diabolical scheme these demonic antichrist plan to unleash on the world, As the Lord and Biblical prophecy clearly foretold!

Could all of these deceptions and wicked schemes, working in collaboration together, be the 'beast' from the sea' (Rev 13:1-9) that has seven heads and ten horns with ten crowns (The Club of Rome??) - on those horns that we talked about before? Surely this idea is something to consider prayerfully as we search through the prophets and scripture! So, we should be aware of the next 'head' or 'horn' of deception that will surely come into the forefront out of the 'conspiracy closet' climate change extra- terrestrial aliens' and 'alien technology', 'genetically altered or manufactured mutants' - zoombies, 'reptilian shape shifters' and any other 'Nephilim' type of being - for it is a significant part of, 'The Last Great Deceptions', that will lead to the Lord's violent wrathful intervention (Psalms 2, Pet 3:12). Let us once again begin to do so by laying solid biblical foundations. . . "

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The Nephilim arose in the days of Noah

Gen 6:4
The Nephilim (hybrid giants) were on the earth in those days (and ALSO AFTER THIS) when the sons of God were having sexual relations with the daughters of humankind, who gave birth to their children. They were the mighty (Gibor) heroes (superhuman/Demigods/Alien) of old, the famous men.
NET- New English Translation
In both the gospels of Matthew and Luke, when teaching His disciples about things to look for to know when the Lord's return is drawing nigh, Jesus distinctly mentioned that this time would be "as in the days of Noah."
Matt 24:36-39
…"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But AS THE DAYS OF NOAH WERE so also will the COMING of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.…
Luke 17:24-30
… For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And as it was IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.…

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So, let's ask a question, why would the Lord specifically mention 'as it was in the days of Noah' - (and Lot Sodom and Gomorrah gross sexual immorality, which we are clearly seeing a massive rise in over the last 10 or so years!) - as a comparison to the days just before He returns? As the Lord gives us this particular time as a historical reference point to equate to the time where He will return; it might be a good idea to delve into this topic and actually go back and see what was happening before and during the days of Noah and "also after". . ."

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One of the interesting things that stood out to me from the Kelly/Hanson clip is that the year 1947 was specifically mentioned as when contact was made with theses 'alien' life forces.

Here is one final excerpt from "As in the days" (about the 1st book of Enoch) written up 5+ years ago.

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"Even then it was met with much skepticism and rejected by many in the western church as not even being a 'BC' work until a copy was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, interestingly enough, beginning in 1947! Which is when the Supreme court under Hugo Black (a member of the KKK) deemed the Constitution sanctioned a complete separation from government and religion (church and state) laying the foundation for other more devastating decisions that were to come in '63. This is the same time the UFO phenomena started with the 'Roswell Incident' in July 1947 and also when the resolution to restore Israel as a nation state was passed' in the UN. (Israel's resurrection from the dead after some 2000 is a sign of the 'fig tree blossoming' or at least the very beginnings of it (Matt 24:32-25). So, Enoch was effectively hidden until the generation that it was written for arrives! Also, a quick point about 'generation'. There is no numerical value specifically tagged on to this word, we have seen generations go from 30 to 120 years. The time where the Lord commissioned Noah to build an ark and the time to the flood was hundred years! "

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1947/48 was an earmarked year lots happened, the starting of the UN, the discovery of Noah's ark - as in the days of Noah. -- along with the rebirth of the nation state of Israel.

So bottom line I am not surprised at the coming amplifying of the 'Alien' ET lie/deception' documentary along with "Project Destiny' Gene altering med tech where those chosen can 'communicate' with aliens, which are no more than demons - Extra Dimensional beings - not Extra Terrestrial beings

As I said, it was not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. It seems like they have chosen to try to pump this now. And many, many have been and will be deceived. This is the last great deception, mixed in with the all the other 'technoligies'.

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Thousands of years ago, stories were told of strange creatures called dragons over the distant mountains. Then we traveled there and found no dragons. Hundreds of years ago, stories were told of strange sea creatures able to take down whole ships over the water's horizons. Then we sailed all the seas and found there were no such sea monsters. Now we laugh at those superstitious and gullible people of the past, fooled by fanciful stories. But at the same time, we look beyond the space horizon and believe stories of fanciful creatures out there just beyond our perception. We are no less gullible than the superstitious of old. I will remain skeptical until someone stops telling i will be amazed at what's coming. Just show me the evidence you have on hand right now and I'll decide if I'm amazed. Until then, I will be skeptical of your fanciful stories.

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It is certain that I'm skeptical of amazing stories with no real evidence. Even the opening shot in the OP video has been substantially debunked as a camera gimble reflection for anyone who has bothered to look at the serious investigations of it. As for other phenomena, show me good evidence; not some fancy story, distant lights or blurry orbs. I think it's likely most of the blurry observances at a distance (that are not man-made) could be some natural phenomenon that we don't understand just yet. People have speculated about ball lightning as a possibility. Fast streaks could be something like plasma, or part of the earth's magnetic field going into reverse causing a mirage-like effect to flash through the atmosphere, or a wrinkle in the solar wind bending into our atmosphere, or CME's or ACR's or thousands of other natural things that we haven't learned about yet. But I'm not going to believe stories of dragons and sea monsters in outer space until someone clearly produces one as evidence.

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Turns out it may not have been the Haitians after all. Trump should apologize.

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A lot of assumptions. IF these beings are real why assume they are from outside the solar system? Why also assume their objective is to remain unseen and it's some failure when they are seen?

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Not an expert but too cold beyond the asteroid belt? Saturns moon theory is more about life in general not intelligent alien types I thought.

2. Thinking they don't care if seen assumes even more. You're not factoring in the vast tech delta if they are real. Beyond our comprehension by a large order of magnitude. No way they wouldn't have a way to remain undetected. However, that tech delta could be so extreme they view us as apes and DGAF at all about being seen like we wouldn't care in the bush in Africa if observing.

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Or an ant farm.

How many of us have had one, stared at it for hours just watching ant life not ever once thinking "I wonder what they think of us." ?
If they're ridicu-advanced, we're ant-like...on our best day.

I'm completely open to the possibility of there being other lifeforms outside of our planet and the galaxies. I don't know why people are so shut off to that.

As the famous line says, it would be an awful waste of space.

Now do I agree they are little green men with big eyes, not so much but I would love for there to be absolute proof that other life does exist out there.

I have yet to see it, although many of the theories are pretty interesting, but I think it would be cool as hell.

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My old man hunted for years with a good friend who allegedly worked for Lockheed/skunkworks in addition to being involved other military programs. As a kid I remember him being extremely smart etc.

I'll say my dad was big into conspiracy stuff but regarding Aliens, he would always say it is government programs etc based on what his good friend told him.

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I'll counter that with what a high school friend told me not long ago. Her dad was a retired Air Force Colonel and had worked at Area 51 at one time. He told her on his deathbed "They can't do anything to me now, and aliens are real. We've been visited and have things from other worlds". Take it for what it's worth.

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Maybe your friends dad went to his grave knowing he had trolled his daughter one last time and it was good.

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As far back as Roswell in 1948, the government has been using fake aliens to cover real government programs

Either that, or aliens have perfected interstellar travel, but not landing.

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So they don't have Asian female aliens!?!?

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A common "theory" is alien version of teenage joyride in daddy's starship

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They're called "Teasers" according to Ford Prefect.

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If Angels have wings, why do they need spaceships?

And if we are holding that Angel that flew too close to the ground at Roswell, I don't think that is going to keep us in most favored nation status with the Man upstairs!

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Do we really see spaceships, or do we actually see lights we can't explain moving faster than we can comprehend?

Anything that crashed in Roswell was man-made not alien.

Two quick points:

• Megyn Kelly did not claim aliens are real. Neither did VDH. But both allowed for the possibility that our government is hiding something.
• The Entertainment board UAP thread is the best one to follow whether you're a skeptic or not. There have actually been a lot of newsworthy developments in recent years that support or disprove claims. It's an interesting debate.

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