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fc2112 said:

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If you want to read about sketchy commendations, read up on LBJ's Silver Star. And he wore that service ribbon to the day he died.

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There is nothing about this man that was not sketchy, a truly horrible person.

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Is it true that he used to expose his peen in his office? I read that somewhere.

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/lyndon-b-johnson-*****

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Having named his ***** "Jumbo," Johnson was known to open up his trousers on a regular basis and wag his dick at others.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Military was the primary source of leadership for many, up until the 1900s.

For some, JFK, and people like McCain and John Kerry... and W (mentioned) their military service was little more than a CV/Resume builder and checkmark for political advancement.

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JFK, McCain, and Kerry all nearly died in the service, I don't know if I'd go so far as to say it was just a resume builder

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Yeah, I would agree with W, but not the others. McCain and Kerry were Silver Star recipients. McCain a POW for 5 1/2 years. Kennedy, the Navy Medal for heroism and a Purple Heart.

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Absolutely not disparaging Kennedy's service, and especially what he did too save the lives of hrs crew on PT109... His actions were nothing less than heroic!

But his father was absolutely using his war resume, and grooming him for future political grandeur.

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Military experience does not always play out...

U.S. Grant, arguably the top general (either side) of the Civil War (3 army surrenders, no defeats etc) and one of the worst presidents (too naive of the political arena).

Zach Taylor, (like Grant) good general, poor president (although he did die in office).

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And Grant was pretty much a failure in life before the Civil War.

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And while popular for winning the civil war, he was pretty unsuccessful in life after his presidency, dying penniless .

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All true. Grant's best attributes were under fire with his back against a wall. All other times he made poor decisions.

DallasAg 94 said:

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Military was the primary source of leadership for many, up until the 1900s.

For some, JFK, and people like McCain and John Kerry... and W (mentioned) their military service was little more than a CV/Resume builder and checkmark for political advancement.

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I would strongly suggest you reconsider your comment in light of historical facts.

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Carter had his peanut farm and military background.

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How did faming peanuts and his military background help his presidency? Oh, yeah. It was a one-term disaster.

Raising peanuts as opposed to building resorts and buildings is apples to...well...peanuts.

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Just showing you that another president had a business background. And how is building resorts and building plus going bankrupt a making of a president? Plus The Bushes were in the oil business and owned a professional sports team.

Demographics play heavily into this trend. Boomers have been dominant both due to number and in-group preference. They didn't get sent to war, and thus we've had few senior politicians with any military experience during the Boomers reign.

If millenials don't break that trend with the election of some GWOT vets, that'll be a bigger shame.

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TXAG 05 said:

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doubledog said:

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Military experience does not always play out...

U.S. Grant, arguably the top general (either side) of the Civil War (3 army surrenders, no defeats etc) and one of the worst presidents (too naive of the political arena).

Zach Taylor, (like Grant) good general, poor president (although he did die in office).

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And Grant was pretty much a failure in life before the Civil War.

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And while popular for winning the civil war, he was pretty unsuccessful in life after his presidency, dying penniless .

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Funny that happens to a lot of drunks.

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As much as I despise Grant because of what he did during war, he wasn't a drunk. In fact, he was known for the fact that he couldn't handle alcohol at all, which is why he resigned from the Army prior to the WONA.

Y'all are really missing the experience of '41 (HW Bush).

It's in the Library on campus…like him or not..

Navy pilot
Spent 5 days in life boat after being shot down
Ambassador to China
Director of CIA
VP

That's a pretty good CV for President… now you have to include other factors…not to be typed here..

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AnScAggie said:

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fc2112 said:

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If you want to read about sketchy commendations, read up on LBJ's Silver Star. And he wore that service ribbon to the day he died.

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There is nothing about this man that was not sketchy, a truly horrible person.

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Is it true that he used to expose his peen in his office? I read that somewhere.

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/lyndon-b-johnson-*****

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Having named his ***** "Jumbo," Johnson was known to open up his trousers on a regular basis and wag his dick at others.

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It wasn't a real trip to the LBJ White House without a Jumbo sighting.

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infinity ag said:

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AnScAggie said:

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fc2112 said:

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If you want to read about sketchy commendations, read up on LBJ's Silver Star. And he wore that service ribbon to the day he died.

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There is nothing about this man that was not sketchy, a truly horrible person.

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Is it true that he used to expose his peen in his office? I read that somewhere.

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/lyndon-b-johnson-*****

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Having named his ***** "Jumbo," Johnson was known to open up his trousers on a regular basis and wag his dick at others.

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It wasn't a real trip to the LBJ White House without a Jumbo sighting.

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Hard to believe that it could have happened....

I wish social media existed back then.


I wasn't alive during LBJ's administration but those who were, was this being talked about? Or is this revisionist history?

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DallasAg 94 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Military was the primary source of leadership for many, up until the 1900s.

For some, JFK, and people like McCain and John Kerry... and W (mentioned) their military service was little more than a CV/Resume builder and checkmark for political advancement.

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JFK, McCain, and Kerry all nearly died in the service, I don't know if I'd go so far as to say it was just a resume builder

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As information about JFK has been revealed, the circumstances that led up to his "Profiles in Courage" came about because he was socially promoted and led a PT boat that was in safe waters , and his poor navigation led him towards enemy waters and ultimately he put his boat in danger. Many recent docs indicate his heroic story was largely fabricated.

McCain, from what I understand was such a poor student that he was only retained because bith his father and grandfather were Admirals in the Navy.

Kerry, from what I understand was not supposed to be near conflict and his "purple heart" was well documented. His service was a step towards politics and his peers came out strongly against him to derail his campaign for president.

I thank them for their service, but all 3 were from very affluent families and their service was pursued solely for political advancement.

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McCain also launched a missle from the deck of the USS Forrestal that killed 124 sailors, injured about 160 more and destroyed 20 something aircraft, as well as put a US carrier out of commission.

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What are you talking about? McCain was in the plane that got hit by the rocket, and he was injured by the first bomb explosion.

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That is the story the Navy put out, yes. The investigator and the one that wrote the official narrative was also a really close friend of McCain's father, which is also why the Forrestal incident along with McCain's actions after somehow didn't affect his Navy career.

And I made a mistake - he didn't fire a missile, he is the one that dropped a bomb from his A-4 after the plane next to him was hit by a rocket that was fired accidentally. McCain's plane was never hit according to multiple eye-witnesses that were on the boat as well as video from the deck camera footage. It was his bomb that hit the deck and subsequently exploded due to the fire started when the rocket hit the other plane and caught the fuel on fire that ultimately created the Forrestal disaster.

He wasn't injured in the Forrestal disaster either, his own dad wrote in several letters to family that John suffered no injuries. He made a lot of - shall we say dubious - claims after the fact, such as watching a kid die in the sick bay in front of his eyes (never happened). He was also just about universally despised by military brass and fellow POW's because of how he was treated (way better) in the Hanoi Hilton.

Dude was your typical politican and most of what he said simply cannot be trusted to be accurate at all.

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infinity ag said:

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AnScAggie said:

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fc2112 said:

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If you want to read about sketchy commendations, read up on LBJ's Silver Star. And he wore that service ribbon to the day he died.

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There is nothing about this man that was not sketchy, a truly horrible person.

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Is it true that he used to expose his peen in his office? I read that somewhere.

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/lyndon-b-johnson-*****

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Having named his ***** "Jumbo," Johnson was known to open up his trousers on a regular basis and wag his dick at others.

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It wasn't a real trip to the LBJ White House without a Jumbo sighting.

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Hard to believe that it could have happened....

I wish social media existed back then.


I wasn't alive during LBJ's administration but those who were, was this being talked about? Or is this revisionist history?

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Not by the media, but Caro's massive biography is full of first hand retellings of LBJ showing off Jumbo, mostly as a way to intimidate and show dominance over the other people in the room.

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TXAG 05 said:

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doubledog said:

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Military experience does not always play out...

U.S. Grant, arguably the top general (either side) of the Civil War (3 army surrenders, no defeats etc) and one of the worst presidents (too naive of the political arena).

Zach Taylor, (like Grant) good general, poor president (although he did die in office).

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And Grant was pretty much a failure in life before the Civil War.

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And while popular for winning the civil war, he was pretty unsuccessful in life after his presidency, dying penniless .

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All true. Grant's best attributes were under fire with his back against a wall. All other times he made poor decisions.

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It also helped that he had superior numbers, was better equipped and the tactics of the time were still Napoleonic and relied heavily on accepting significant casualties as you marched directly into canno and musket fire by the enemy.

infinity ag said:

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jacketman03 said:

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infinity ag said:

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AnScAggie said:

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fc2112 said:

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If you want to read about sketchy commendations, read up on LBJ's Silver Star. And he wore that service ribbon to the day he died.

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There is nothing about this man that was not sketchy, a truly horrible person.

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Is it true that he used to expose his peen in his office? I read that somewhere.

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/lyndon-b-johnson-*****

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Having named his ***** "Jumbo," Johnson was known to open up his trousers on a regular basis and wag his dick at others.

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It wasn't a real trip to the LBJ White House without a Jumbo sighting.

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Hard to believe that it could have happened....

I wish social media existed back then.


I wasn't alive during LBJ's administration but those who were, was this being talked about? Or is this revisionist history?

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LBJ used to sit on the toilet and take shts with the door open while dictating or having full on conversations with his staffers. There are recordings of his conversation with pants maker Haggar about designing pants that have extra room in the crotch area, and he was pretty explicit in those conversations.

The stories of him pulling his junk out are very much believable.

It shouldn't be possible to drop a bomb in that situation. Master arm off, weapons pinned safe before taxiing to the catapult, other safeties like not being able to arm with the gear down. Even if he had "dropped a bomb" it wouldn't matter with the conflagration that ensued, where a numerous bombs cooked off.

Pretty much the only thing you can fault McCain for from that incident is incorrectly stating in his book that the rocket hit his aircraft instead of the one right next to him.

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I wasn't alive during LBJ's administration but those who were, was this being talked about? Or is this revisionist history?

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Go watch The Crown S3:E2 for a pretty good retelling of what LBJ was like. A fictional account, for sure, but based on contemporary accounts, including exposing his "Johnson" to staff.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Military was the primary source of leadership for many, up until the 1900s.

For some, JFK, and people like McCain and John Kerry... and W (mentioned) their military service was little more than a CV/Resume builder and checkmark for political advancement.

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I would strongly suggest you reconsider your comment in light of historical facts.

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I'm listening. What'cha got?

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Google is your friend. While JKerry and Bush may not have had significant combat roles, the facts of Kennedy and McCain heroic actions are irrefutable. Unfortunately, your kind of selective stupidity is contagious. You twist truths into half truths which is fully a lie.

Yeah, John Adams sucked.

I mean, what did he do for our country?

But seriously, it is interesting.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Military was the primary source of leadership for many, up until the 1900s.

For some, JFK, and people like McCain and John Kerry... and W (mentioned) their military service was little more than a CV/Resume builder and checkmark for political advancement.

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JFK, McCain, and Kerry all nearly died in the service, I don't know if I'd go so far as to say it was just a resume builder

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Yeah, I would agree with W, but not the others. McCain and Kerry were Silver Star recipients. McCain a POW for 5 1/2 years. Kennedy, the Navy Medal for heroism and a Purple Heart.

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Absolutely not disparaging Kennedy's service, and especially what he did too save the lives of hrs crew on PT109... His actions were nothing less than heroic!

But his father was absolutely using his war resume, and grooming him for future political grandeur.

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If Joe Jr. hadn't been killed in World War II, he was the one they were going to push for president. He settled on Jack.

I legit had no idea that al gore was in the army. Must've been where he invented the internet I suppose.

I don't care if the President is a Veteran. It can be a great asset; however history has shown it is a 50/50 proposition at best. Jimmy Carter was an idiot who didn't understand the world around him and US Grant was too trusting and had failed administrations...

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TXAG 05 said:

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doubledog said:

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Military experience does not always play out...

U.S. Grant, arguably the top general (either side) of the Civil War (3 army surrenders, no defeats etc) and one of the worst presidents (too naive of the political arena).

Zach Taylor, (like Grant) good general, poor president (although he did die in office).

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And Grant was pretty much a failure in life before the Civil War.

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And while popular for winning the civil war, he was pretty unsuccessful in life after his presidency, dying penniless .

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Funny that happens to a lot of drunks.

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As much as I despise Grant because of what he did during war, he wasn't a drunk. In fact, he was known for the fact that he couldn't handle alcohol at all, which is why he resigned from the Army prior to the WONA.

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It's my understanding that he was a drunk but could temper it when he was on campaign. Off campaign, he was known to cut lose and had a body man to protect him.

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doubledog said:

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doubledog said:

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Military experience does not always play out...

U.S. Grant, arguably the top general (either side) of the Civil War (3 army surrenders, no defeats etc) and one of the worst presidents (too naive of the political arena).

Zach Taylor, (like Grant) good general, poor president (although he did die in office).

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And Grant was pretty much a failure in life before the Civil War.

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And while popular for winning the civil war, he was pretty unsuccessful in life after his presidency, dying penniless .

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All true. Grant's best attributes were under fire with his back against a wall. All other times he made poor decisions.

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It also helped that he had superior numbers, was better equipped and the tactics of the time were still Napoleonic and relied heavily on accepting significant casualties as you marched directly into canno and musket fire by the enemy.

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As I understand it, his losses were comparable to many generals of that war and he understood and took advantage of his advantages. I love how people love to use those as some sort of way to discredit what he did.

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This is commonly stated but not actually true

He did lose everything through a ponzi scheme but Mark Twain himself paid Grant $900,000 in today's dollars for the rights to his memoirs and civil war essays. Twain also agreed to a 70% royalty share that took care of Grant's wife after he died of cancer.

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Google is your friend. While JKerry and Bush may not have had significant combat roles, the facts of Kennedy and McCain heroic actions are irrefutable. Unfortunately, your kind of selective stupidity is contagious. You twist truths into half truths which is fully a lie.

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That is one of the worst aspects of political animus. I don't know why certain people feel the need to twist, denigrate, and dilute military service that they themselves would never muster up the courage to undertake.

JFK's boat was attacked by a Japanese Destroyer

McCain was shot down flying bombing raids in North Vietnam.

Whatever character defects they had elsewhere in life, they both undertook life threatening combat actions.

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doubledog said:

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Military experience does not always play out...

U.S. Grant, arguably the top general (either side) of the Civil War (3 army surrenders, no defeats etc) and one of the worst presidents (too naive of the political arena).

Zach Taylor, (like Grant) good general, poor president (although he did die in office).

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And Grant was pretty much a failure in life before the Civil War.

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And while popular for winning the civil war, he was pretty unsuccessful in life after his presidency, dying penniless .

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Funny that happens to a lot of drunks.

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He died of throat cancer. And he was not penniless, he had just sold his memoir.

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doubledog said:

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doubledog said:

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Military experience does not always play out...

U.S. Grant, arguably the top general (either side) of the Civil War (3 army surrenders, no defeats etc) and one of the worst presidents (too naive of the political arena).

Zach Taylor, (like Grant) good general, poor president (although he did die in office).

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And Grant was pretty much a failure in life before the Civil War.

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And while popular for winning the civil war, he was pretty unsuccessful in life after his presidency, dying penniless .

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All true. Grant's best attributes were under fire with his back against a wall. All other times he made poor decisions.

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It also helped that he had superior numbers, was better equipped and the tactics of the time were still Napoleonic and relied heavily on accepting significant casualties as you marched directly into canno and musket fire by the enemy.

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Hooker had about the same numbers (2 to 1) when he fought Lee at Chancellorsville, so it was not just the numbers that counted. Lee's causalities by percentage (~18%) were has high as Grants (~18%). The big difference is that Grant could reconstitute his army, Lee could not. The tactics by the time of the Overland Campaign were more inline with WWI (entrenchment) than Napoleonic.

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This is commonly stated but not actually true

He did lose everything through a ponzi scheme but Mark Twain himself paid Grant $900,000 in today's dollars for the rights to his memoirs and civil war essays. Twain also agreed to a 70% royalty share that took care of Grant's wife after he died of cancer.

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Interesting thing about this: Twain made a killing off Grant's memoirs, but then he published a biography of Pope Leo XII that sold 200 copies and the publishing house went bankrupt and closed.

Uh, Franklin Delano Roosevelt was Assistant Secretary of the Navy during World War I

Once at war, FDR set about stopping the U-boat menace, advocating for vast anti-submarine minefields in the North Sea. By February 1918, 100,000 mines were ready to be deployed. Although the war ended before the system could be fully tested, the minefield is thought to have destroyed at least four U-boats.

Cousin Theodore Roosevelt had urged FDR to get into uniform and join the war effort directly as Theodore's own children had done, but FDR was far too valuable to the Navy in his civilian position in Washington. In the summer of 1918, FDR went overseas to visit France, meet with French officials, and see the front for himself. At one point, he was within a mile of the German line, close enough to hear a German artillery shell pass overhead.

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Seems like things are trending towards Vance being the 28 nominee so things will likely change at least

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that's not Trump's plan. There is not going to be a "next" president.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/steve-bannon-reveals-theres-a-plan-for-third-donald-trump-term/

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Many recent docs indicate his heroic story was largely fabricated.

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I don't know enough about how his boat came to be attacked and sunk to commen

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He was sitting dead in the water and failed to post lookouts that lead to his ship being run down by a Japanese warship