Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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94DCAg said:

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What is the solution?

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Repeal DebacleCare, Medicare, Medicaid and all other govt interference in the market.

Easy.

Next question.

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Sure. Let the Commies take over the country forever. Genius.

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Pro-tip: if you have to bribe the electorate with guaranteed government provided food, shelter, education and healthcare funded by stealing the income of productive Americans, then they have already taken over.

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Pro tip. If you take away something hundreds of millions of people have paid for, you won't ever get elected again.

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Pro-tip: If they can and are paying for it, you cannot take it away and we would not be running a deficit.

So they must not be paying for it.

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I've paid almost 40 years for Medicare. So has my wife. Now, much like an annuity, you don't pay when it's time to draw out. Can you imagine folks paying in to a pension and then, sorry. You don't get it because the company mismanaged your money?

And that is what will commies in charge forever.

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Then the jokes on you because you paid a tax that was given away as entitlements to those already or near 65 to buy votes.

If you were actually paying into an account for you, you would have it and we wouldn't be running a deficit.

And the pension thing happens all the time.

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What part of mismanaged confused you?

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What part of Enron confuses you. Just because it is the government doesn't mean you should get to steal from current and future tax payers to pay for you after the government blew it.

The money is gone. It is bankrupting us. Pay for yourself. I know that am I willing to do so. If you made plans on SS and Medicare without having your own money set aside to cover your retirement, that was dumb.

Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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94DCAg said:

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What is the solution?

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Repeal DebacleCare, Medicare, Medicaid and all other govt interference in the market.

Easy.

Next question.

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Sure. Let the Commies take over the country forever. Genius.

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Pro-tip: if you have to bribe the electorate with guaranteed government provided food, shelter, education and healthcare funded by stealing the income of productive Americans, then they have already taken over.

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Pro tip. If you take away something hundreds of millions of people have paid for, you won't ever get elected again.

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Pro-tip: If they can and are paying for it, you cannot take it away and we would not be running a deficit.

So they must not be paying for it.

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I've paid almost 40 years for Medicare. So has my wife. Now, much like an annuity, you don't pay when it's time to draw out. Can you imagine folks paying in to a pension and then, sorry. You don't get it because the company mismanaged your money?

And that is what will commies in charge forever.

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Then the jokes on you because you paid a tax that was given away as entitlements to those already or near 65 to buy votes.

If you were actually paying into an account for you, you would have it and we wouldn't be running a deficit.

And the pension thing happens all the time.

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What part of mismanaged confused you?

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What part of Enron confuses you. Just because it is the government doesn't mean you should get to steal from current and future tax payers to pay for you after the government blew it.

The money is gone. It is bankrupting us. Pay for yourself. I know that am I willing to do so. If you made plans on SS and Medicare without having your own money set aside to cover your retirement, that was dumb.

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Agree. But that has zero to do with folks paying for years for something and then having it yanked away.

Just like a lib. Well, you can afford it, so we are going to steal it from you.

Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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94DCAg said:

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What is the solution?

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Repeal DebacleCare, Medicare, Medicaid and all other govt interference in the market.

Easy.

Next question.

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Sure. Let the Commies take over the country forever. Genius.

---

Pro-tip: if you have to bribe the electorate with guaranteed government provided food, shelter, education and healthcare funded by stealing the income of productive Americans, then they have already taken over.

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Pro tip. If you take away something hundreds of millions of people have paid for, you won't ever get elected again.

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Pro-tip: If they can and are paying for it, you cannot take it away and we would not be running a deficit.

So they must not be paying for it.

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I've paid almost 40 years for Medicare. So has my wife. Now, much like an annuity, you don't pay when it's time to draw out. Can you imagine folks paying in to a pension and then, sorry. You don't get it because the company mismanaged your money?

And that is what will commies in charge forever.

---

Then the jokes on you because you paid a tax that was given away as entitlements to those already or near 65 to buy votes.

If you were actually paying into an account for you, you would have it and we wouldn't be running a deficit.

And the pension thing happens all the time.

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What part of mismanaged confused you?

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What part of Enron confuses you. Just because it is the government doesn't mean you should get to steal from current and future tax payers to pay for you after the government blew it.

The money is gone. It is bankrupting us. Pay for yourself. I know that am I willing to do so. If you made plans on SS and Medicare without having your own money set aside to cover your retirement, that was dumb.

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Agree. But that has zero to do with folks paying for years for something and then having it yanked away.

Just like a lib. Well, you can afford it, so we are going to steal it from you.

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It is the opposite of a lib. We CANNOT afford it, so we shouldn't keep stealing from others and future generations and take personal responsibility and agency for ourselves and figure it the F out for ourselves and our own family.

Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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94DCAg said:

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What is the solution?

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Repeal DebacleCare, Medicare, Medicaid and all other govt interference in the market.

Easy.

Next question.

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Sure. Let the Commies take over the country forever. Genius.

---

Pro-tip: if you have to bribe the electorate with guaranteed government provided food, shelter, education and healthcare funded by stealing the income of productive Americans, then they have already taken over.

---

Pro tip. If you take away something hundreds of millions of people have paid for, you won't ever get elected again.

---

Pro-tip: If they can and are paying for it, you cannot take it away and we would not be running a deficit.

So they must not be paying for it.

---

I've paid almost 40 years for Medicare. So has my wife. Now, much like an annuity, you don't pay when it's time to draw out. Can you imagine folks paying in to a pension and then, sorry. You don't get it because the company mismanaged your money?

And that is what will commies in charge forever.

---

Then the jokes on you because you paid a tax that was given away as entitlements to those already or near 65 to buy votes.

If you were actually paying into an account for you, you would have it and we wouldn't be running a deficit.

And the pension thing happens all the time.

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What part of mismanaged confused you?

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What part of Enron confuses you. Just because it is the government doesn't mean you should get to steal from current and future tax payers to pay for you after the government blew it.

The money is gone. It is bankrupting us. Pay for yourself. I know that am I willing to do so. If you made plans on SS and Medicare without having your own money set aside to cover your retirement, that was dumb.

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Agree. But that has zero to do with folks paying for years for something and then having it yanked away.

Just like a lib. Well, you can afford it, so we are going to steal it from you.

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It is the opposite of a lib. We CANNOT afford it, so we shouldn't keep stealing from others and future generations and take personal responsibility and agency for ourselves and figure it the F out for ourselves and our own family.

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Huh? Let me explain this to you in simple terms

1. I paid for SS for almost 40 years
2. I paid for Medicare for over 40 years
3. Now when it comes time to claim what I paid for, some lib comes along and says, well, you don't need to claim what you paid for because you are rich. You can afford to pay for yourself, so we will steal it from you.

Hope that helps.

There is enough waste and outright theft that the budget can be fixed without stealing something from folks that have already paid for it. Fix that.

Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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94DCAg said:

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What is the solution?

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Repeal DebacleCare, Medicare, Medicaid and all other govt interference in the market.

Easy.

Next question.

---

Sure. Let the Commies take over the country forever. Genius.

---

Pro-tip: if you have to bribe the electorate with guaranteed government provided food, shelter, education and healthcare funded by stealing the income of productive Americans, then they have already taken over.

---

Pro tip. If you take away something hundreds of millions of people have paid for, you won't ever get elected again.

---

Pro-tip: If they can and are paying for it, you cannot take it away and we would not be running a deficit.

So they must not be paying for it.

---

I've paid almost 40 years for Medicare. So has my wife. Now, much like an annuity, you don't pay when it's time to draw out. Can you imagine folks paying in to a pension and then, sorry. You don't get it because the company mismanaged your money?

And that is what will commies in charge forever.

---

Then the jokes on you because you paid a tax that was given away as entitlements to those already or near 65 to buy votes.

If you were actually paying into an account for you, you would have it and we wouldn't be running a deficit.

And the pension thing happens all the time.

---

What part of mismanaged confused you?

---

What part of Enron confuses you. Just because it is the government doesn't mean you should get to steal from current and future tax payers to pay for you after the government blew it.

The money is gone. It is bankrupting us. Pay for yourself. I know that am I willing to do so. If you made plans on SS and Medicare without having your own money set aside to cover your retirement, that was dumb.

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Agree. But that has zero to do with folks paying for years for something and then having it yanked away.

Just like a lib. Well, you can afford it, so we are going to steal it from you.

---

It is the opposite of a lib. We CANNOT afford it, so we shouldn't keep stealing from others and future generations and take personal responsibility and agency for ourselves and figure it the F out for ourselves and our own family.

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Huh? Let me explain this to you in simple terms

1. I paid for SS for almost 40 years
2. I paid for Medicare for over 40 years
3. Now when it comes time to claim what I paid for, some lib comes along and says, well, you don't need to claim what you paid for because you are rich. You can afford to pay for yourself, so we will steal it from you.

Hope that helps.

There is enough waste and outright theft that the budget can be fixed without stealing something from folks that have already paid for it. Fix that.

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I have also paid for 35 years and capped out for a lot of it.

A conservative comes along and tells you that the government wasted your taxes and we cannot afford it without taxing the rich even more or leveraging future generations that will never receive it either. Someone is getting the short straw. It should be us!

It sucks but we have to be the adults and end it. We can't send what we do not have and we should steal more from others to keep it going. It failed.

You have know for 20 years that this crisis was coming and should have planned according. Taken responsibility for yourself. Would it have been nice to have to $250K annually that the government steals from me to plan for this? Sure! But I planned for it anyway. That is what conservatives do.

And libs absolutely do NOT want to END the programs. Conservatives do.

Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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94DCAg said:

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What is the solution?

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Repeal DebacleCare, Medicare, Medicaid and all other govt interference in the market.

Easy.

Next question.

---

Sure. Let the Commies take over the country forever. Genius.

---

Pro-tip: if you have to bribe the electorate with guaranteed government provided food, shelter, education and healthcare funded by stealing the income of productive Americans, then they have already taken over.

---

Pro tip. If you take away something hundreds of millions of people have paid for, you won't ever get elected again.

---

Pro-tip: If they can and are paying for it, you cannot take it away and we would not be running a deficit.

So they must not be paying for it.

---

I've paid almost 40 years for Medicare. So has my wife. Now, much like an annuity, you don't pay when it's time to draw out. Can you imagine folks paying in to a pension and then, sorry. You don't get it because the company mismanaged your money?

And that is what will commies in charge forever.

---

Then the jokes on you because you paid a tax that was given away as entitlements to those already or near 65 to buy votes.

If you were actually paying into an account for you, you would have it and we wouldn't be running a deficit.

And the pension thing happens all the time.

---

What part of mismanaged confused you?

---

What part of Enron confuses you. Just because it is the government doesn't mean you should get to steal from current and future tax payers to pay for you after the government blew it.

The money is gone. It is bankrupting us. Pay for yourself. I know that am I willing to do so. If you made plans on SS and Medicare without having your own money set aside to cover your retirement, that was dumb.

---

Agree. But that has zero to do with folks paying for years for something and then having it yanked away.

Just like a lib. Well, you can afford it, so we are going to steal it from you.

---

It is the opposite of a lib. We CANNOT afford it, so we shouldn't keep stealing from others and future generations and take personal responsibility and agency for ourselves and figure it the F out for ourselves and our own family.

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Huh? Let me explain this to you in simple terms

1. I paid for SS for almost 40 years
2. I paid for Medicare for over 40 years
3. Now when it comes time to claim what I paid for, some lib comes along and says, well, you don't need to claim what you paid for because you are rich. You can afford to pay for yourself, so we will steal it from you.

Hope that helps.

There is enough waste and outright theft that the budget can be fixed without stealing something from folks that have already paid for it. Fix that.

---

I have also paid for 35 years and capped out for a lot of it.

A conservative comes along and tells you that the government wasted your taxes and we cannot afford it without taxing the rich even more or leveraging future generations that will never receive it either. Someone is getting the short straw. It should be us!

It sucks but we have to be the adults and end it. We can't send what we do not have and we should steal more from others to keep it going. It failed.

You have know for 20 years that this crisis was coming and should have planned according. Taken responsibility for yourself. Would it have been nice to have to $250K annually that the government steals from me to plan for this? Sure! But I planned for it anyway. That is what conservatives do.

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No, libs take from the rich. It's easy and lazy. Conservatives fix problems. Just like stealing something from folks that have paid for it.

Trump puts Doge in place and finds billions and closing in on Trillions. Conservatives would embrace those cuts. But our "republicans" halt Doge before he hits Medicare and SS. Actually pass only $9 billion of those findings. WTF.

We don't need to cut SS or Medicare, other than the massive waste and fraud. Put Doge back in place and fix spending. Implement cost savings like negotiating drug prices.

The lib way is the easy way. Cut SS and Medicare. They just don't do it because so many voters don't want something stolen from them that they already paid for.

My mother was in Assisted living and her dementia got worse and price jumped but did the the care of her increase? Not really. $8600 a month was robbery. Thankfully she had long term care insurance, Teacher Retirement, and SS. She found the place when she was of sound mind. Now I would not recommend her Asst Living place to anyone.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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The solution is for people to pay their own way. This is not the job of government.

Feel free to pay for as many as you'd like. Surely you can understand why some of us want no illegals here to have to support. You want us to support them. We should not.

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I'll add caveats because I have lived through the pay your own way experiment. Our primary care doctor is concierge and cash only. That works fine.

However, here are my exception scenarios because not all doctors will let you pay your own way. I currently have a medical procedure I need to get done. As an early retiree, medical insurance is challenging, to say the least, and the main doctor outfit in my area where I need to get this procedure done will not let me pay my own way. They will only take insurance. Ironically, they will take Medi-Share which is not technically insurance, so I'm not sure how the logically think through that exception.

Other examples - I had two different, unrelated structural issues that required physical therapy a couple of years ago. Baylor Scott and White refused to let me get PT for both issues due to insurance. I was forced to pick one of them so I cancelled PT for the first issue that was already in process because the second issue was more severe. When I asked if I could simply pay cash for the other one and continue PT they would not do it. Insurance runs that outfit.

Last week - I had an Achilles Tendinitis issue flare up (I'm highly sensitive to tendinitis issues since 2020 which I tin foil hat to covid shot as the reason)....I go to my local PT and they let me pay cash but they can only treat me for up to 30 days before insurance is required.

So, insurance has largely hindered our healthcare system from being a "pay your own way". Obviously, if we reformed insurance then maybe that would take care of itself. Don't know though.

Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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94DCAg said:

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What is the solution?

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Repeal DebacleCare, Medicare, Medicaid and all other govt interference in the market.

Easy.

Next question.

---

Sure. Let the Commies take over the country forever. Genius.

---

Pro-tip: if you have to bribe the electorate with guaranteed government provided food, shelter, education and healthcare funded by stealing the income of productive Americans, then they have already taken over.

---

Pro tip. If you take away something hundreds of millions of people have paid for, you won't ever get elected again.

---

Pro-tip: If they can and are paying for it, you cannot take it away and we would not be running a deficit.

So they must not be paying for it.

---

I've paid almost 40 years for Medicare. So has my wife. Now, much like an annuity, you don't pay when it's time to draw out. Can you imagine folks paying in to a pension and then, sorry. You don't get it because the company mismanaged your money?

And that is what will commies in charge forever.

---

Then the jokes on you because you paid a tax that was given away as entitlements to those already or near 65 to buy votes.

If you were actually paying into an account for you, you would have it and we wouldn't be running a deficit.

And the pension thing happens all the time.

---

What part of mismanaged confused you?

---

What part of Enron confuses you. Just because it is the government doesn't mean you should get to steal from current and future tax payers to pay for you after the government blew it.

The money is gone. It is bankrupting us. Pay for yourself. I know that am I willing to do so. If you made plans on SS and Medicare without having your own money set aside to cover your retirement, that was dumb.

---

Agree. But that has zero to do with folks paying for years for something and then having it yanked away.

Just like a lib. Well, you can afford it, so we are going to steal it from you.

---

It is the opposite of a lib. We CANNOT afford it, so we shouldn't keep stealing from others and future generations and take personal responsibility and agency for ourselves and figure it the F out for ourselves and our own family.

---

Huh? Let me explain this to you in simple terms

1. I paid for SS for almost 40 years
2. I paid for Medicare for over 40 years
3. Now when it comes time to claim what I paid for, some lib comes along and says, well, you don't need to claim what you paid for because you are rich. You can afford to pay for yourself, so we will steal it from you.

Hope that helps.

There is enough waste and outright theft that the budget can be fixed without stealing something from folks that have already paid for it. Fix that.

---

I have also paid for 35 years and capped out for a lot of it.

A conservative comes along and tells you that the government wasted your taxes and we cannot afford it without taxing the rich even more or leveraging future generations that will never receive it either. Someone is getting the short straw. It should be us!

It sucks but we have to be the adults and end it. We can't send what we do not have and we should steal more from others to keep it going. It failed.

You have know for 20 years that this crisis was coming and should have planned according. Taken responsibility for yourself. Would it have been nice to have to $250K annually that the government steals from me to plan for this? Sure! But I planned for it anyway. That is what conservatives do.

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No, libs take from the rich. It's easy and lazy. Conservatives fix problems. Just like stealing something from folks that have paid for it.

Trump puts Doge in place and finds billions and closing in on Trillions. Conservatives would embrace those cuts. But our "republicans" halt Doge before he hits Medicare and SS. Actually pass only $9 billion of those findings. WTF.

We don't need to cut SS or Medicare, other than the massive waste and fraud. Put Doge back in place and fix spending. Implement cost savings like negotiating drug prices.

The lib way is the easy way. Cut SS and Medicare. They just don't do it because so many voters don't want something stolen from them that they already paid for.

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SS and Medicare is a lib solution from the start. Conservatives provide for themselves they do not get their food pellet from the government. We were never intended to live this way.

If you believe in widespread government entitlements to provide for your basic needs you ARE a liberal.

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But what do you put in its place?it?

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Nothing at all. It is not a legitimate function of government. Get a job.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Ag98and03 said:

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But what do you put in its place?it?

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Nothing at all. It is not a legitimate function of government. Get a job.

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This! All of this!

All the money government spent on healthcare contributed to inflation, which drove the cost of healthcare higher. And now we want to create more inflation to drive it even higher?

Stop digging the hole. Stop it.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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All the money government spent on healthcare contributed to inflation, which drove the cost of healthcare higher. And now we want to create more inflation to drive it even higher?

Stop digging the hole. Stop it.

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Don't forget that it also stifled competition

Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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94DCAg said:

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What is the solution?

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Repeal DebacleCare, Medicare, Medicaid and all other govt interference in the market.

Easy.

Next question.

---

Sure. Let the Commies take over the country forever. Genius.

---

Pro-tip: if you have to bribe the electorate with guaranteed government provided food, shelter, education and healthcare funded by stealing the income of productive Americans, then they have already taken over.

---

Pro tip. If you take away something hundreds of millions of people have paid for, you won't ever get elected again.

---

Pro-tip: If they can and are paying for it, you cannot take it away and we would not be running a deficit.

So they must not be paying for it.

---

I've paid almost 40 years for Medicare. So has my wife. Now, much like an annuity, you don't pay when it's time to draw out. Can you imagine folks paying in to a pension and then, sorry. You don't get it because the company mismanaged your money?

And that is what will commies in charge forever.

---

Then the jokes on you because you paid a tax that was given away as entitlements to those already or near 65 to buy votes.

If you were actually paying into an account for you, you would have it and we wouldn't be running a deficit.

And the pension thing happens all the time.

---

What part of mismanaged confused you?

---

What part of Enron confuses you. Just because it is the government doesn't mean you should get to steal from current and future tax payers to pay for you after the government blew it.

The money is gone. It is bankrupting us. Pay for yourself. I know that am I willing to do so. If you made plans on SS and Medicare without having your own money set aside to cover your retirement, that was dumb.

---

Agree. But that has zero to do with folks paying for years for something and then having it yanked away.

Just like a lib. Well, you can afford it, so we are going to steal it from you.

---

It is the opposite of a lib. We CANNOT afford it, so we shouldn't keep stealing from others and future generations and take personal responsibility and agency for ourselves and figure it the F out for ourselves and our own family.

---

Huh? Let me explain this to you in simple terms

1. I paid for SS for almost 40 years
2. I paid for Medicare for over 40 years
3. Now when it comes time to claim what I paid for, some lib comes along and says, well, you don't need to claim what you paid for because you are rich. You can afford to pay for yourself, so we will steal it from you.

Hope that helps.

There is enough waste and outright theft that the budget can be fixed without stealing something from folks that have already paid for it. Fix that.

---

I have also paid for 35 years and capped out for a lot of it.

A conservative comes along and tells you that the government wasted your taxes and we cannot afford it without taxing the rich even more or leveraging future generations that will never receive it either. Someone is getting the short straw. It should be us!

It sucks but we have to be the adults and end it. We can't send what we do not have and we should steal more from others to keep it going. It failed.

You have know for 20 years that this crisis was coming and should have planned according. Taken responsibility for yourself. Would it have been nice to have to $250K annually that the government steals from me to plan for this? Sure! But I planned for it anyway. That is what conservatives do.

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No, libs take from the rich. It's easy and lazy. Conservatives fix problems. Just like stealing something from folks that have paid for it.

Trump puts Doge in place and finds billions and closing in on Trillions. Conservatives would embrace those cuts. But our "republicans" halt Doge before he hits Medicare and SS. Actually pass only $9 billion of those findings. WTF.

We don't need to cut SS or Medicare, other than the massive waste and fraud. Put Doge back in place and fix spending. Implement cost savings like negotiating drug prices.

The lib way is the easy way. Cut SS and Medicare. They just don't do it because so many voters don't want something stolen from them that they already paid for.

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SS and Medicare is a lib solution from the start. Conservatives provide for themselves they do not get there food pellet from the government. We were never intended to live this way.

If you believe in widespread government entitlements to provide for your basic needs you ARE a liberal.

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Who is arguing that? Not me. Want to cut actual entitlements? Fine. If I buy something and get what I paid for, that's not an entitlement.

You are arguing that stealing something hundreds of millions have paid for because they can afford to not have it is NOT a liberal idea. That is the definition of liberal.

Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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94DCAg said:

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What is the solution?

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Repeal DebacleCare, Medicare, Medicaid and all other govt interference in the market.

Easy.

Next question.

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Sure. Let the Commies take over the country forever. Genius.

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Pro-tip: if you have to bribe the electorate with guaranteed government provided food, shelter, education and healthcare funded by stealing the income of productive Americans, then they have already taken over.

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Pro tip. If you take away something hundreds of millions of people have paid for, you won't ever get elected again.

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Pro-tip: If they can and are paying for it, you cannot take it away and we would not be running a deficit.

So they must not be paying for it.

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I've paid almost 40 years for Medicare. So has my wife. Now, much like an annuity, you don't pay when it's time to draw out. Can you imagine folks paying in to a pension and then, sorry. You don't get it because the company mismanaged your money?

And that is what will commies in charge forever.

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Then the jokes on you because you paid a tax that was given away as entitlements to those already or near 65 to buy votes.

If you were actually paying into an account for you, you would have it and we wouldn't be running a deficit.

And the pension thing happens all the time.

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What part of mismanaged confused you?

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What part of Enron confuses you. Just because it is the government doesn't mean you should get to steal from current and future tax payers to pay for you after the government blew it.

The money is gone. It is bankrupting us. Pay for yourself. I know that am I willing to do so. If you made plans on SS and Medicare without having your own money set aside to cover your retirement, that was dumb.

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Agree. But that has zero to do with folks paying for years for something and then having it yanked away.

Just like a lib. Well, you can afford it, so we are going to steal it from you.

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It is the opposite of a lib. We CANNOT afford it, so we shouldn't keep stealing from others and future generations and take personal responsibility and agency for ourselves and figure it the F out for ourselves and our own family.

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Huh? Let me explain this to you in simple terms

1. I paid for SS for almost 40 years
2. I paid for Medicare for over 40 years
3. Now when it comes time to claim what I paid for, some lib comes along and says, well, you don't need to claim what you paid for because you are rich. You can afford to pay for yourself, so we will steal it from you.

Hope that helps.

There is enough waste and outright theft that the budget can be fixed without stealing something from folks that have already paid for it. Fix that.

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I have also paid for 35 years and capped out for a lot of it.

A conservative comes along and tells you that the government wasted your taxes and we cannot afford it without taxing the rich even more or leveraging future generations that will never receive it either. Someone is getting the short straw. It should be us!

It sucks but we have to be the adults and end it. We can't send what we do not have and we should steal more from others to keep it going. It failed.

You have know for 20 years that this crisis was coming and should have planned according. Taken responsibility for yourself. Would it have been nice to have to $250K annually that the government steals from me to plan for this? Sure! But I planned for it anyway. That is what conservatives do.

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No, libs take from the rich. It's easy and lazy. Conservatives fix problems. Just like stealing something from folks that have paid for it.

Trump puts Doge in place and finds billions and closing in on Trillions. Conservatives would embrace those cuts. But our "republicans" halt Doge before he hits Medicare and SS. Actually pass only $9 billion of those findings. WTF.

We don't need to cut SS or Medicare, other than the massive waste and fraud. Put Doge back in place and fix spending. Implement cost savings like negotiating drug prices.

The lib way is the easy way. Cut SS and Medicare. They just don't do it because so many voters don't want something stolen from them that they already paid for.

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SS and Medicare is a lib solution from the start. Conservatives provide for themselves they do not get there food pellet from the government. We were never intended to live this way.

If you believe in widespread government entitlements to provide for your basic needs you ARE a liberal.

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Who is arguing that? Not me. Want to cut actual entitlements? Fine. If I buy something and get what I paid for, that's not an entitlement.

You are arguing that stealing something hundreds of millions have paid for because they can afford to not have it is NOT a liberal idea. That is the definition of liberal.

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Again, you didn't buy anything. You paid a tax and were given a promise. They lied and are probably already dead,. Now you do without just like the Enron employees.

This is not complicated and will be better for the future for people to be responsible for providing for themselves.

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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94DCAg said:

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What is the solution?

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Repeal DebacleCare, Medicare, Medicaid and all other govt interference in the market.

Easy.

Next question.

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Sure. Let the Commies take over the country forever. Genius.

---

Pro-tip: if you have to bribe the electorate with guaranteed government provided food, shelter, education and healthcare funded by stealing the income of productive Americans, then they have already taken over.

---

Pro tip. If you take away something hundreds of millions of people have paid for, you won't ever get elected again.

---

Pro-tip: If they can and are paying for it, you cannot take it away and we would not be running a deficit.

So they must not be paying for it.

---

I've paid almost 40 years for Medicare. So has my wife. Now, much like an annuity, you don't pay when it's time to draw out. Can you imagine folks paying in to a pension and then, sorry. You don't get it because the company mismanaged your money?

And that is what will commies in charge forever.

---

Then the jokes on you because you paid a tax that was given away as entitlements to those already or near 65 to buy votes.

If you were actually paying into an account for you, you would have it and we wouldn't be running a deficit.

And the pension thing happens all the time.

---

What part of mismanaged confused you?

---

What part of Enron confuses you. Just because it is the government doesn't mean you should get to steal from current and future tax payers to pay for you after the government blew it.

The money is gone. It is bankrupting us. Pay for yourself. I know that am I willing to do so. If you made plans on SS and Medicare without having your own money set aside to cover your retirement, that was dumb.

---

Agree. But that has zero to do with folks paying for years for something and then having it yanked away.

Just like a lib. Well, you can afford it, so we are going to steal it from you.

---

It is the opposite of a lib. We CANNOT afford it, so we shouldn't keep stealing from others and future generations and take personal responsibility and agency for ourselves and figure it the F out for ourselves and our own family.

---

Huh? Let me explain this to you in simple terms

1. I paid for SS for almost 40 years
2. I paid for Medicare for over 40 years
3. Now when it comes time to claim what I paid for, some lib comes along and says, well, you don't need to claim what you paid for because you are rich. You can afford to pay for yourself, so we will steal it from you.

Hope that helps.

There is enough waste and outright theft that the budget can be fixed without stealing something from folks that have already paid for it. Fix that.

---

I have also paid for 35 years and capped out for a lot of it.

A conservative comes along and tells you that the government wasted your taxes and we cannot afford it without taxing the rich even more or leveraging future generations that will never receive it either. Someone is getting the short straw. It should be us!

It sucks but we have to be the adults and end it. We can't send what we do not have and we should steal more from others to keep it going. It failed.

You have know for 20 years that this crisis was coming and should have planned according. Taken responsibility for yourself. Would it have been nice to have to $250K annually that the government steals from me to plan for this? Sure! But I planned for it anyway. That is what conservatives do.

---

No, libs take from the rich. It's easy and lazy. Conservatives fix problems. Just like stealing something from folks that have paid for it.

Trump puts Doge in place and finds billions and closing in on Trillions. Conservatives would embrace those cuts. But our "republicans" halt Doge before he hits Medicare and SS. Actually pass only $9 billion of those findings. WTF.

We don't need to cut SS or Medicare, other than the massive waste and fraud. Put Doge back in place and fix spending. Implement cost savings like negotiating drug prices.

The lib way is the easy way. Cut SS and Medicare. They just don't do it because so many voters don't want something stolen from them that they already paid for.

---

SS and Medicare is a lib solution from the start. Conservatives provide for themselves they do not get there food pellet from the government. We were never intended to live this way.

If you believe in widespread government entitlements to provide for your basic needs you ARE a liberal.

---

Who is arguing that? Not me. Want to cut actual entitlements? Fine. If I buy something and get what I paid for, that's not an entitlement.

You are arguing that stealing something hundreds of millions have paid for because they can afford to not have it is NOT a liberal idea. That is the definition of liberal.

---

Again, you didn't buy anything. You paid a tax and were given a promise. They lied and are probably already dead,. Now you do without just like the Enron employees.

This is not complicated and will be better for the future for people to be responsible for providing for themselves.

---

Government - you pay SS and Medicare before you need it and you will get this benefit.

Libs - sure, we promised that. But you are rich and don't need it. So we will just not pay you.

My last comment on this. You take away a service hundreds of millions have paid for, you are handing the keys to commies.

Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Science Denier said:

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BigRobSA said:

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94DCAg said:

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What is the solution?

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Repeal DebacleCare, Medicare, Medicaid and all other govt interference in the market.

Easy.

Next question.

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Sure. Let the Commies take over the country forever. Genius.

---

Pro-tip: if you have to bribe the electorate with guaranteed government provided food, shelter, education and healthcare funded by stealing the income of productive Americans, then they have already taken over.

---

Pro tip. If you take away something hundreds of millions of people have paid for, you won't ever get elected again.

---

Pro-tip: If they can and are paying for it, you cannot take it away and we would not be running a deficit.

So they must not be paying for it.

---

I've paid almost 40 years for Medicare. So has my wife. Now, much like an annuity, you don't pay when it's time to draw out. Can you imagine folks paying in to a pension and then, sorry. You don't get it because the company mismanaged your money?

And that is what will commies in charge forever.

---

Then the jokes on you because you paid a tax that was given away as entitlements to those already or near 65 to buy votes.

If you were actually paying into an account for you, you would have it and we wouldn't be running a deficit.

And the pension thing happens all the time.

---

What part of mismanaged confused you?

---

What part of Enron confuses you. Just because it is the government doesn't mean you should get to steal from current and future tax payers to pay for you after the government blew it.

The money is gone. It is bankrupting us. Pay for yourself. I know that am I willing to do so. If you made plans on SS and Medicare without having your own money set aside to cover your retirement, that was dumb.

---

Agree. But that has zero to do with folks paying for years for something and then having it yanked away.

Just like a lib. Well, you can afford it, so we are going to steal it from you.

---

It is the opposite of a lib. We CANNOT afford it, so we shouldn't keep stealing from others and future generations and take personal responsibility and agency for ourselves and figure it the F out for ourselves and our own family.

---

Huh? Let me explain this to you in simple terms

1. I paid for SS for almost 40 years
2. I paid for Medicare for over 40 years
3. Now when it comes time to claim what I paid for, some lib comes along and says, well, you don't need to claim what you paid for because you are rich. You can afford to pay for yourself, so we will steal it from you.

Hope that helps.

There is enough waste and outright theft that the budget can be fixed without stealing something from folks that have already paid for it. Fix that.

---

I have also paid for 35 years and capped out for a lot of it.

A conservative comes along and tells you that the government wasted your taxes and we cannot afford it without taxing the rich even more or leveraging future generations that will never receive it either. Someone is getting the short straw. It should be us!

It sucks but we have to be the adults and end it. We can't send what we do not have and we should steal more from others to keep it going. It failed.

You have know for 20 years that this crisis was coming and should have planned according. Taken responsibility for yourself. Would it have been nice to have to $250K annually that the government steals from me to plan for this? Sure! But I planned for it anyway. That is what conservatives do.

---

No, libs take from the rich. It's easy and lazy. Conservatives fix problems. Just like stealing something from folks that have paid for it.

Trump puts Doge in place and finds billions and closing in on Trillions. Conservatives would embrace those cuts. But our "republicans" halt Doge before he hits Medicare and SS. Actually pass only $9 billion of those findings. WTF.

We don't need to cut SS or Medicare, other than the massive waste and fraud. Put Doge back in place and fix spending. Implement cost savings like negotiating drug prices.

The lib way is the easy way. Cut SS and Medicare. They just don't do it because so many voters don't want something stolen from them that they already paid for.

---

SS and Medicare is a lib solution from the start. Conservatives provide for themselves they do not get there food pellet from the government. We were never intended to live this way.

If you believe in widespread government entitlements to provide for your basic needs you ARE a liberal.

---

Who is arguing that? Not me. Want to cut actual entitlements? Fine. If I buy something and get what I paid for, that's not an entitlement.

You are arguing that stealing something hundreds of millions have paid for because they can afford to not have it is NOT a liberal idea. That is the definition of liberal.

---

Again, you didn't buy anything. You paid a tax and were given a promise. They lied and are probably already dead,. Now you do without just like the Enron employees.

This is not complicated and will be better for the future for people to be responsible for providing for themselves.

---

Government - you pay SS and Medicare before you need it and you will get this benefit.

Libs - sure, we promised that. But you are rich and don't need it. So we will just not pay you.

My last comment on this. You take away a service hundreds of millions have paid for, you are handing the keys to commies.

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Back to my original post, you do not continue liberal boondoggle giveaways to simply bribe voters. If you have to do that you have already lost the argument and we should just fight it out and figure out whose worldview will prevail.

I am not saying to take it away from the rich but from everyone. It is bankrupt and never should have existed in the first place. Pay for yourself.

You can't turn down Medicare I think.

You can postpone collecting SS / Teacher Retirement though.

If anyone thinks they "paid into" either SS or Medicare, you are (and always have been) gravely mistaken. You do not have an account with your money or "contributions" or "investment" or whatever warm and fuzzy term you favor. Whatever you had taken from your income for SS and Medicare is gone forever. Your money was used to pay benefits for people who were eligible to receive SS and Medicare benefits. Period, end of story. You were lied to from the beginning. Demanding that these programs stay in place so that you can "get yours back" from those who are currently working makes you no better than the thieves who stole your money in the first place.

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You can't turn down Medicare I think.

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Medicare Part A (hospital coverage, mosttly) you get automatically. Part B (physician coverage, mostly) is an extra charge.

It was designed to fail.