The thing that may save the Trump presidency IMO

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shiftyandquick
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1939 said:

Henriques said:

1939 said:

Are we really back to this?

All of the tariffs are awful folks have been proven to be completely wrong on this issue.

Does that include Coolidge?

https://coolidgefoundation.org/uncategorized/address-upon-accepting-the-republican-partys-nomination-for-the-presidency/

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It is in accordance with these principles that our Government seeks by appropriate legislation to promote the financial welfare of all the different groups that form our great economic structure. The Republican Party supports the policy of protection as a broad principle, good alike for producer and consumer, because it knows that no other means to prevent the lowering of the standards of pay and living for the American wage earner toward the misery scale that prevails abroad has ever been devised.

Were such protection removed the result would be felt at every fireside in the land. Our industry would languish, factories would close, commerce and transportation would be stagnant, agriculture would become paralyzed, financial distress and economic depression would reach over the whole country. Before we are carried away with any visionary expectation of promoting the public welfare by a general avalanche of cheap goods from foreign sources, imported under a system which, whatever it may be called, is in reality free trade, it will be well first to count the cost and realize just what such a proposal really means.

I am for protection because it maintains American standards of living and of business, for agriculture, industry and labor. I am in favor of the elastic provisions of our tariff law. I propose to administer them, not politically, but judicially. As the business of the world becomes stabilized, without throwing all our economic system into confusion, we can raise or lower specific schedules to meet the requirements of a scientific adjustment.

That from the greatest conservative President.

Take a look at what the so-called free trade agreements brought about in this country over the last generation or two. Coolidge was not wrong at all in his prediction of what such an agreement would bring about.

The removal of tariffs in the 1930s did not end the Great Depression; the removal of competition brought about by World War II ended the Great Depression.

Some of you extol the virtues of free trade, yet none of you seem to comprehend the price paid when the United States granted a foreign nation a free market while that same nation, through tariffs, state-associated financial backing and tax breaks, gave our producers and manufacturers a raw deal.

Under this President, we are finally attempting to actually negotiate rather than capitulate with foreign nations in matters of trade. Regardless of how the SCOTUS rules, hopefully that trend continues rather the old way of doing things where Uncle Sam routinely gets kicked in the balls and says thank you for the privilege of "free trade" with nations who have never engaged in free trade with us.




I am agreeing with you. Most here told us Tariffs would kill our economy and prices would double.

Economy is in great shape! That's what MAGA is saying. They argue that they just need to repeat it more often and more forcefully then people will believe it.

At the same time they say they inherited a "disaster" from Biden, so please be patient, because the economy sucks. But not their fault.

This is how stupid they think the American people are. That they can tank the economy with tariffs and then blame it on Biden and that Americans won't roll them out of office.
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cecil77 said:

Congress has largely defaulted its constitutional responsibilities.

That's precisely why EOs have increasingly governed us for the past 40 years.
Congress is too busy conducting faux investigations that aren't going anywhere and lining their pockets with insider trading info than to actually create budgets and laws - really is travesty
BusterAg
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BigRobSA said:

Why should we care if a country wants to tax their citizens?

Tariffs are idiotic, as is all liberal policy.

Deregulate massively and deeply cut corporate (and personal) taxes to reverse the idiocy the govt did to push mfg away. Along with that, gut spending to bolster the economy. Done.

Quit taxing us more.



If you take a very hyperbolic approach to this, allowing other companies to manipulate currency at will without any retaliation, you wind up with very, very wealthy financial centers and very, very poor people in the rest of the country. You would have San Fran, DC and NYC making all of the money, and every other part of the country an abject servitude to them so that they can buy really, really crappy imported items for cheap.

It's impossible to get all the way there, but our current trade policies push us in that direction, and that is bad for the country.
BigRobSA
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To actually fix things, we need to reverse the interference done by decades of govt.

Tariffs will not do jack, nor **** , to fix anything. Liberal policies fail every time they're tried. We need to act smartly. The only, ONLY, smart thing to do is reverse what caused the exodus of mfg in the first place.
No Spin Ag
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BigRobSA said:

To actually fix things, we need to reverse the interference done by decades of govt.

Tariffs will not do jack, nor **** , to fix anything. Liberal policies fail every time they're tried. We need to act smartly. The only, ONLY, smart thing to do is reverse what caused the exodus of mfg in the first place.


Agreed.

Now, how do we ungreed CEOs and union bosses at the same time?
Texas velvet maestro
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Primarily, tariffs are a foreign policy tool.
Ambres
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No Spin Ag said:

BigRobSA said:

To actually fix things, we need to reverse the interference done by decades of govt.

Tariffs will not do jack, nor **** , to fix anything. Liberal policies fail every time they're tried. We need to act smartly. The only, ONLY, smart thing to do is reverse what caused the exodus of mfg in the first place.


Agreed.

Now, how do we ungreed CEOs and union bosses at the same time?

The only way that happens is by eliminating the source of corruption that keeps the Gov stagnate, dissolve congress.

Congress hasn't pass a budget since Sept '24.. a CR is not a budget. The last budget was a Biden budget. Congress has continue to fail it job and frankly have not done is responsibility. Dissolve it and move on. By eliminating Congress you remove a major farce, remove thousands of unneeded federal jobs.. shrinking the government to the essential and finally and more importantly allow the President to focus law and order together .. similar to countries with rising economies i.e. China. Would it be nice for the President to actually run this country without having to answer to congress. It not like congrss has done it job in recent history. See the shutdown.. Congress created the shutdown .. not the President. Congress is a fail institution that is no longer needed.
shiftyandquick
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Ambres said:

No Spin Ag said:

BigRobSA said:

To actually fix things, we need to reverse the interference done by decades of govt.

Tariffs will not do jack, nor **** , to fix anything. Liberal policies fail every time they're tried. We need to act smartly. The only, ONLY, smart thing to do is reverse what caused the exodus of mfg in the first place.


Agreed.

Now, how do we ungreed CEOs and union bosses at the same time?

The only way that happens is by eliminating the source of corruption that keeps the Gov stagnate, dissolve congress.

Congress hasn't pass a budget since Sept '24.. a CR is not a budget. The last budget was a Biden budget. Congress has continue to fail it job and frankly have not done is responsibility. Dissolve it and move on. By eliminating Congress you remove a major farce, remove thousands of unneeded federal jobs.. shrinking the government to the essential and finally and more importantly allow the President to focus law and order together .. similar to countries with rising economies i.e. China. Would it be nice for the President to actually run this country without having to answer to congress. It not like congrss has done it job in recent history. See the shutdown.. Congress created the shutdown .. not the President. Congress is a fail institution that is no longer needed.

Sure would be nice to have a dictator for life and a command economy where he determines all the winners and losers, sets the tax rates at his whim and chooses which industries to go forward. /s
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You mean like Obama who changed the tax code?
zag213004
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Ambres said:

No Spin Ag said:

BigRobSA said:

To actually fix things, we need to reverse the interference done by decades of govt.

Tariffs will not do jack, nor **** , to fix anything. Liberal policies fail every time they're tried. We need to act smartly. The only, ONLY, smart thing to do is reverse what caused the exodus of mfg in the first place.


Agreed.

Now, how do we ungreed CEOs and union bosses at the same time?

The only way that happens is by eliminating the source of corruption that keeps the Gov stagnate, dissolve congress.

Congress hasn't pass a budget since Sept '24.. a CR is not a budget. The last budget was a Biden budget. Congress has continue to fail it job and frankly have not done is responsibility. Dissolve it and move on. By eliminating Congress you remove a major farce, remove thousands of unneeded federal jobs.. shrinking the government to the essential and finally and more importantly allow the President to focus law and order together .. similar to countries with rising economies i.e. China. Would it be nice for the President to actually run this country without having to answer to congress. It not like congrss has done it job in recent history. See the shutdown.. Congress created the shutdown .. not the President. Congress is a fail institution that is no longer needed.

Well there it is: Dissolve congress, make and enforce law, be similar to China govt. when does the crown fitting begin
 
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