infinity ag said:
schmellba99 said:
No Spin Ag said:
Dan Scott said:
**** India
India isn't making Americans hire their citizens.
Americans are intentionally hiring anyone that's not an American (Indians, Filipinos, Nigerians, etc.) instead of their fellow Americans to increase their profits.
It's easy to blame foreigners, but they're in another country being sought after and hired by Americans.
Let's focus on the problem (Americans hiring them) and once that's taken care of there'll be no one else to worry about because the actual problem will be fixed.
I am sure that on some level that is a driving factor, but it isn't anywhere close to 100% of the reason 100% of the time.
You have to also factor in the absolute irrefutable FACT that in a lot of cases foreigners are hired because they are a better option than what we are producing domestically via our craptastic education system and a generation of people that get absolutely buttsore and cry because they have to go into the office instead of being able to work from home. Or they cry because they have to work at all.
Like every single other issue out there, it isn't a black and white issue like the OP wants it to be. It's complex and has multiple layers and facets that drive it, especially depending on the industry you are in, which is also another thing the OP has never seemed to grasp - that every sector in the various industries has their own unique problems.
5%. I would give you a 0 but then there may be some gray area correct points.
The entire thing is a scam and a racket. I have been in the industry for over 25 years, I have seen this up close.
Foreigners are NOT the better option. They are definitely the short-term money-making option for the execs at the cost of the long term health of the company. The execs don't own the company so they don't care beyond 3 years.
1. US politicians - They get the highest blame. They should have applied tariffs for offshoring instead of joining in the looting. Their job is to be the caretaker of the long term health of the country, not to lick the boots of the corporations. They all failed and they all made money.
2. US CEOs - As long as they follow the rules, I don't blame them. But many have exploited loopholes. Many failed at their jobs of working for the long term health (not short term) of their companies. So they offshored, got their bonus and got fired. They don't care.
3. H1Bs - I don't blame them. They are looking for jobs and if Americans are hellbent on running their own country into the ground, why is it their fault?
Our education is fine to do the job but if Americans cannot get opportunities which all go to low paid "techies" from India, how can anyone develop skills? Many of them left the industry. And the same corps complain that we have no skills in America.
Bottomline: Fault lies with America and Americans. We opened our doors and homeless people walked in.
This idea that every company out there is looking to fire evey American and go hire H1b's is just dumb. Just like the overarching myth that gets perpetuated here day in and day out that every single contractor is a cash only business paying illegals $5 a day under the table to keep profits high and a handful of other broad sweeping myths.
I'm sure on some level in the IT world your doom and gloom the world is ending for all of us scenarios have some merit, but they are absoltuely not universal across the board nor are they applicable in every industry out there.
As I stated earlier - there are opportunities out there. The biggest problem is that people don't want to put in the work it takes to pursue those opportunities, and that is by in large because the generations we see entering the workforce today are significantly dumber than the previous ones and have crap for a work ethic. They may be more up to date and more educated, but they are absolutely not smarter, most don't have anything approaching common sense or real world practical knowledge and getting half of them to even show up for an interview is a challenge in of itself.
I've spent 25+ years in the heavy civil and industrial construction sector, so what I see is a reflection of what my industry currently displays, and it is a world different from your constant posts about how everyboyd is getting screwed by those damned dirty capitalists.
For me - I bid jobs at X dollars with an anticipated Y cost. I'll be honest - if I could get all english speaking American crews to come out and do the work at what my payscale is, I'd be happy. It would save me time in training and meetings on the jobsite, etc. But I can't, and that is mostly because the ones that are more than willing to show up, put in the work, etc. speak mostly spanish and are generally happy as hell to be doing what they are doing. It is the rare standard suburban white boy or urban black kid that is willing to jump in and be hands on and learn when numbers are compared. And it is even rarer when one does come out and jumps in the trenches that they last.
We spent 40 years demonizing hourly craft and skilled craft jobs. All I was ever told growing up was that college was the answer and that if I didn't go to college I'd end up being a plumber or welder, and it was discussed as if trade jobs were the landing spots for failures in life. We are now paying for that type of mentality when it comes to skilled domestic labor. And those that are willing to do such icky work as, say, being a plumber, are making bank. I have a buddy of mine that quit his teaching job and went and got his master plumber's license. He makes about 5x now what he did as a teacher and works on his own terms.
