infinity ag said:

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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Both my examples prove you wrong though. You've said so yourself especially with Muslims. You can put them in whatever optimal environment you can dream up and once they get to a certain scale they start destroying within. See Europe. See Minnesota.

Both these groups have the same environments that whites do in this country and in Europe, but at a large scale they continue to sabotage themselves over and over in the case of blacks and/or actively foment oppression and violence when it comes to Muslims. The former celebrates the worst of their culture and the latter has it actually baked into their DNA and religious decree.

Until they decide to change their ways, they are inferior cultures and it's frankly not debatable. In that regard, there is nothing more to discuss.

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I guess it depends on what we mean by culture. Is white a culture? It is a race. Is Muslim/Islam a culture? it is a religion.I think we may be mixing things up.

I think you mean race.

I don't think there is anything in the DNA. It is all the same. Muslim people are subject to tremendous brainwashing from their childhood (surroundings) which makes them radioactive. If you race a muslim baby in a healthy env and do not bring him near Islam then he will turn out okay.

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With Muslims something a bit more sinister and simple is going on. Its complex, but a rather forced analogy to Christian experience will explain the root of it at a glance. Muslim violence results in direct proportion to how much the person (or govt) "goes back to the beginning" - becomes fundamentalist and early Islamic. Because that was a time of violence and force and thievery all built-in. Euros and American Democrats are especially stupid when they bring in types like Afghans in any number because they follow the most regressed form.

What is the Christian analogy? If you all the way back, "to the basics" and fundamentalists, as long as it is NT, it doesn't lead to excessive violence and cruelty though it can certainly look 'intolerant" by modern standards.

Now however, imagine if for that Christian group it meant back not to the earliest NT, but the OT, and bang -- you are right back at brutal killings for things like adultery and war not really reluctantly engaged in. So imagine if Christianity didn't have the `bulkhead' created by the NT --- and going "fundamentalist" meant going back to the times of Canaan, etc. THAT is the Muslim dilemma --- if you go back to the start, you become worse, not better. They haven't had the equivalent of `lives by the sword, die by the sword' of the NT.

There are even places where the Prophet Muhammad prescribed restraint, but all in an OT style atmosphere --- and there have been many Islamic jurists since that have mitigated much. But what dealing with in the 21st C is those that are drawn into Islamist thinking, the most regressive, go straight from civilized to threats. That's this `light switch' stuff seeing.

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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That there is "nothing more to discuss" is incorrect, because what keyed there is precisely what we were raised to believe from the last half of the 20th Century. What is never dealt with is-- what if that was wrong? Or a deception. However, what is now causing issues is it is never clearly explained or honestly discussed what real differences may exist, and if there ever was something to any of it. If that presumption above is wrong (and would prefer to believe it is true) and there are aggregates that are default subpar, then this becomes pretty critical. You might relate better to it if you realize given your statements about women, it might be a lot like the assumption there is equivalent fitness for all the same roles there, such as the voting often cited.

We need to decide if such a thing as race exists, and if it does, why is it denied, or if doesn't as Morgan Freeman so well put it, stop talking about it.

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I have no problem if someone proves somehow that one is better or worse than the other. I won't get offended either way. But I don't see definitive proof. One can easily argue in either direction.

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Do you need proof that Koreans have higher IQ's, on average, than Somolians? And that they have a superior culture and built a much better and more advanced society?

infinity ag said:

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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Apply that to South Africa and explain the difference. The question is not how the will behave but how they will perform under the same circumstances.

infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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Both my examples prove you wrong though. You've said so yourself especially with Muslims. You can put them in whatever optimal environment you can dream up and once they get to a certain scale they start destroying within. See Europe. See Minnesota.

Both these groups have the same environments that whites do in this country and in Europe, but at a large scale they continue to sabotage themselves over and over in the case of blacks and/or actively foment oppression and violence when it comes to Muslims. The former celebrates the worst of their culture and the latter has it actually baked into their DNA and religious decree.

Until they decide to change their ways, they are inferior cultures and it's frankly not debatable. In that regard, there is nothing more to discuss.

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I guess it depends on what we mean by culture. Is white a culture? It is a race. Is Muslim/Islam a culture? it is a religion.I think we may be mixing things up.

I think you mean race.

I don't think there is anything in the DNA. It is all the same. Muslim people are subject to tremendous brainwashing from their childhood (surroundings) which makes them radioactive. If you race a muslim baby in a healthy env and do not bring him near Islam then he will turn out okay.

Blacks carry a tremendous amount of historical baggage and victimhood today. One might argue that white people are responsible from 'breaking' their way of life and causing this disruption by bringing them here as slaves and now saying they are lazy and whatever else. If you picked out a black baby from Africa and sent him to China, he would probably end up at Harvard researching AI.

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This will be an unpopular post with many.

If you can isolate a person from Islam then sure, but that's not the point nor is it even feasible as an alternative. With Islam, culture and religion are one and the same so as long as they are around then you have that permanent cultural cancer in society.

Regarding blacks, there is no question slavery was evil and reprehensible but take whites out of it and Africa is still a third world continent. Never mind the fact that Africans enslaved their own people to enable the entire slave trade. And they are still doing it today in some countries over there. White people made an already normal slave practice global because they had modern capabilities that Africa didn't. How about that for irony.

Even with colonialism it's still mostly third world. And people can get mad all they want about it but colonialism was likely a net positive for them in the long term. They wouldn't have what little modernity they have now if not for colonialism. US blacks immerse themselves in Noble Savage theory when it comes to Africa. Any of them that actually go over there come back realizing how naive that is.

infinity ag said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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Both my examples prove you wrong though. You've said so yourself especially with Muslims. You can put them in whatever optimal environment you can dream up and once they get to a certain scale they start destroying within. See Europe. See Minnesota.

Both these groups have the same environments that whites do in this country and in Europe, but at a large scale they continue to sabotage themselves over and over in the case of blacks and/or actively foment oppression and violence when it comes to Muslims. The former celebrates the worst of their culture and the latter has it actually baked into their DNA and religious decree.

Until they decide to change their ways, they are inferior cultures and it's frankly not debatable. In that regard, there is nothing more to discuss.

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I guess it depends on what we mean by culture. Is white a culture? It is a race. Is Muslim/Islam a culture? it is a religion.I think we may be mixing things up.

I think you mean race.

I don't think there is anything in the DNA. It is all the same. Muslim people are subject to tremendous brainwashing from their childhood (surroundings) which makes them radioactive. If you race a muslim baby in a healthy env and do not bring him near Islam then he will turn out okay.

Blacks carry a tremendous amount of historical baggage and victimhood today. One might argue that white people are responsible from 'breaking' their way of life and causing this disruption by bringing them here as slaves and now saying they are lazy and whatever else. If you picked out a black baby from Africa and sent him to China, he would probably end up at Harvard researching AI.

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This is straight up feel good, head in the sand dogma not based in reality. The notion some Somalian dimwit would be able to compete with the Chinese in the same upbringing is laughable.

Assuming these trends continue, eventually things will stop working. Probably electricity or water treatment will go first. Planes will fall from the sky, expensive equipment will lay on the side of the roads collecting dust because nobody knows how to operate, let alone maintain and repair, machinery.

The "know how" is being stamped out in favor of net drains on society. There's a whole book about this. It's called Atlas Shrugged.

infinity ag said:

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infinity ag said:

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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That there is "nothing more to discuss" is incorrect, because what keyed there is precisely what we were raised to believe from the last half of the 20th Century. What is never dealt with is-- what if that was wrong? Or a deception. However, what is now causing issues is it is never clearly explained or honestly discussed what real differences may exist, and if there ever was something to any of it. If that presumption above is wrong (and would prefer to believe it is true) and there are aggregates that are default subpar, then this becomes pretty critical. You might relate better to it if you realize given your statements about women, it might be a lot like the assumption there is equivalent fitness for all the same roles there, such as the voting often cited.

We need to decide if such a thing as race exists, and if it does, why is it denied, or if doesn't as Morgan Freeman so well put it, stop talking about it.

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I have no problem if someone proves somehow that one is better or worse than the other. I won't get offended either way. But I don't see definitive proof. One can easily argue in either direction.

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Some cultures build safe, civilized societies. Other cultures do not. There is 100% such a thing as superior and inferior cultures.

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Our nation is permanently screwed unless we can reverse this and not allow Whites to become minorities in our own lands.

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"Own lands?"

Didn't the gringos immigrate over here by boat and found there were others already living here?

I mean, maybe call England or Ireland or wherever your "own land," but this place was already occupied with others who called it their "own land" already.

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Yes, they found nomadic Stone Age inhabitants scattered about and quickly assumed control of everything. It's been our own land for centuries.

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Yes, rational people would not want to return to the "noble savage" era of cannibalism, tribal hit and run rape and murder, slavery, famine, etc.

I mean, the Muslims do and much of the brown world is used to it, but not advanced Western cultures built by whites. Will be a rude awakening for the minority of brown/black people who enjoy Western cultures when whites lose their power and much of the planet returns to the old ways.

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You really think every brown is going to let the failures of the gringos keep them from doing better than the gringos did?

How would that happen? Are browns incapable of doing what, per se, that only whites can do?

Also, by browns are you including Hispanics in that category?

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Are we talking Spaniards or the heavily Indian ancestry hispanics? If Spaniards, or mostly spaniards they can probably replicated a reasonable facsimile of our culture.

Again we are talking populations, not individuals. Having made that distinction. Outside of Spaniards, hispanics are not capable of replicating what white western europeans and their ancestors have created. It will be inferior.

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The Inca's, Aztecs and Mayans would disagree considering that they had technology that was equal or superior to the Europeans at the same time they did in terms of social constructs, architechtural capabilities, were actually more advanced in the medical field and several other aspects of their social structure.

They didn't have gunpowder though, nor could they ward off things like yellow fever, smallpox, etc. that helped do them in.

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The Incas and the Aztecs came about in the Middle Ages...

Europe was MUCH more technologically superior to them at that time.

The Mayans had been around for 2000 years by the Middle Ages but were still closer to the Egyptian technologies of the pyramids than to Middle Age Europeans...

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No Spin Ag said:

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Colonel Kurtz said:

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Our nation is permanently screwed unless we can reverse this and not allow Whites to become minorities in our own lands.

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"Own lands?"

Didn't the gringos immigrate over here by boat and found there were others already living here?

I mean, maybe call England or Ireland or wherever your "own land," but this place was already occupied with others who called it their "own land" already.

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Yes, they found nomadic Stone Age inhabitants scattered about and quickly assumed control of everything. It's been our own land for centuries.

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Yes, rational people would not want to return to the "noble savage" era of cannibalism, tribal hit and run rape and murder, slavery, famine, etc.

I mean, the Muslims do and much of the brown world is used to it, but not advanced Western cultures built by whites. Will be a rude awakening for the minority of brown/black people who enjoy Western cultures when whites lose their power and much of the planet returns to the old ways.

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You really think every brown is going to let the failures of the gringos keep them from doing better than the gringos did?

How would that happen? Are browns incapable of doing what, per se, that only whites can do?

Also, by browns are you including Hispanics in that category?

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We have plenty of examples. Central and South American countries must be doing awesome since half their population is in the US now.

I have to give credit where it's due to El Salvador and Bukele. But that's one example out of what, 30 countries?

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YouBet said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Colonel Kurtz said:

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Our nation is permanently screwed unless we can reverse this and not allow Whites to become minorities in our own lands.

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"Own lands?"

Didn't the gringos immigrate over here by boat and found there were others already living here?

I mean, maybe call England or Ireland or wherever your "own land," but this place was already occupied with others who called it their "own land" already.

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Yes, they found nomadic Stone Age inhabitants scattered about and quickly assumed control of everything. It's been our own land for centuries.

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Yes, rational people would not want to return to the "noble savage" era of cannibalism, tribal hit and run rape and murder, slavery, famine, etc.

I mean, the Muslims do and much of the brown world is used to it, but not advanced Western cultures built by whites. Will be a rude awakening for the minority of brown/black people who enjoy Western cultures when whites lose their power and much of the planet returns to the old ways.

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You really think every brown is going to let the failures of the gringos keep them from doing better than the gringos did?

How would that happen? Are browns incapable of doing what, per se, that only whites can do?

Also, by browns are you including Hispanics in that category?

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Outside the Browns, I'd also show you South Africa and Zimbabwe as modern examples of what happens when the goal is achieved and whites are either exterminated or so marginalized to be nonexistent.

Johannesburg is a great city these days. Potholes so large, residents use it as a free jacuzzi.

https://www.wsj.com/world/johannesburg-south-africa-g20-summit-525c8ca5?st=cmA4vQ&reflink=article_copyURL_share

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What does it look like when a city stops trying? Visit Johannesburg, where instead of providing basic public services, the government just warns residents not to expect them.

Signs tell you what crime you're most likely to fall victim to at highway exits and intersections; beware "Hi-Jacking Hot Spot" or "Smash and Grab Hot Spot." Homeless people routinely direct traffic when the stoplights don't work. Minibus taxis that ferry workers around the city often drive on the wrong side of the road to avoid rush hour traffic.

Johannesburg, South Africa's biggest metropolis, markets itself as a "world class African city." It's home to some of the continent's biggest companies and its largest stock exchange. But private firms have gradually taken over public services, from security to healthcare to mail delivery. Insurance companies fix potholes and sponsor fire brigades to reduce claims.

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But by golly! At least we solved racism!

ETA: Haiti

BenFiasco14 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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YouBet said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Colonel Kurtz said:

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Our nation is permanently screwed unless we can reverse this and not allow Whites to become minorities in our own lands.

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"Own lands?"

Didn't the gringos immigrate over here by boat and found there were others already living here?

I mean, maybe call England or Ireland or wherever your "own land," but this place was already occupied with others who called it their "own land" already.

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Yes, they found nomadic Stone Age inhabitants scattered about and quickly assumed control of everything. It's been our own land for centuries.

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Yes, rational people would not want to return to the "noble savage" era of cannibalism, tribal hit and run rape and murder, slavery, famine, etc.

I mean, the Muslims do and much of the brown world is used to it, but not advanced Western cultures built by whites. Will be a rude awakening for the minority of brown/black people who enjoy Western cultures when whites lose their power and much of the planet returns to the old ways.

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You really think every brown is going to let the failures of the gringos keep them from doing better than the gringos did?

How would that happen? Are browns incapable of doing what, per se, that only whites can do?

Also, by browns are you including Hispanics in that category?

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We have plenty of examples. Central and South American countries must be doing awesome since half their population is in the US now.

I have to give credit where it's due to El Salvador and Bukele. But that's one example out of what, 30 countries?

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Couldn't care less about other countries when mine is the greatest there is and the only one my family has ever known and ever will.

I'm sure we browns can continue what whites started in this country, and if not, oh well, whites shouldn't have failed so hard that they lost it all in the first place.

Entiendes, Mendez.

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infinity ag said:

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infinity ag said:

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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Both my examples prove you wrong though. You've said so yourself especially with Muslims. You can put them in whatever optimal environment you can dream up and once they get to a certain scale they start destroying within. See Europe. See Minnesota.

Both these groups have the same environments that whites do in this country and in Europe, but at a large scale they continue to sabotage themselves over and over in the case of blacks and/or actively foment oppression and violence when it comes to Muslims. The former celebrates the worst of their culture and the latter has it actually baked into their DNA and religious decree.

Until they decide to change their ways, they are inferior cultures and it's frankly not debatable. In that regard, there is nothing more to discuss.

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I guess it depends on what we mean by culture. Is white a culture? It is a race. Is Muslim/Islam a culture? it is a religion.I think we may be mixing things up.

I think you mean race.

I don't think there is anything in the DNA. It is all the same. Muslim people are subject to tremendous brainwashing from their childhood (surroundings) which makes them radioactive. If you race a muslim baby in a healthy env and do not bring him near Islam then he will turn out okay.

Blacks carry a tremendous amount of historical baggage and victimhood today. One might argue that white people are responsible from 'breaking' their way of life and causing this disruption by bringing them here as slaves and now saying they are lazy and whatever else. If you picked out a black baby from Africa and sent him to China, he would probably end up at Harvard researching AI.

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This is straight up feel good, head in the sand dogma not based in reality. The notion some Somalian dimwit would be able to compete with the Chinese in the same upbringing is laughable.

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Why? That would be like saying a Hill Billy wouldn't be able to compete with the Chinese in the same upbringing.

All things being equal, outside of race and ethnicity, there's no reason neither couldn't compete is there?

No Spin Ag said:

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BenFiasco14 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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YouBet said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Colonel Kurtz said:

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Our nation is permanently screwed unless we can reverse this and not allow Whites to become minorities in our own lands.

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"Own lands?"

Didn't the gringos immigrate over here by boat and found there were others already living here?

I mean, maybe call England or Ireland or wherever your "own land," but this place was already occupied with others who called it their "own land" already.

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Yes, they found nomadic Stone Age inhabitants scattered about and quickly assumed control of everything. It's been our own land for centuries.

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Yes, rational people would not want to return to the "noble savage" era of cannibalism, tribal hit and run rape and murder, slavery, famine, etc.

I mean, the Muslims do and much of the brown world is used to it, but not advanced Western cultures built by whites. Will be a rude awakening for the minority of brown/black people who enjoy Western cultures when whites lose their power and much of the planet returns to the old ways.

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You really think every brown is going to let the failures of the gringos keep them from doing better than the gringos did?

How would that happen? Are browns incapable of doing what, per se, that only whites can do?

Also, by browns are you including Hispanics in that category?

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We have plenty of examples. Central and South American countries must be doing awesome since half their population is in the US now.

I have to give credit where it's due to El Salvador and Bukele. But that's one example out of what, 30 countries?

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Couldn't care less about other countries when mine is the greatest there is and the only one my family has ever known and ever will.

I'm sure we browns can continue what whites started in this country, and if not, oh well, whites shouldn't have failed so hard that they lost it all in the first place.

Entiendes, Mendez.

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Browns will not be able to do so at the same level of competence. As a population they are inferior.

As you said, It is definitely whites own fault. We could have prevented it but guilt and empathy have been our downfall.

Hopefully we mix enough with Hispanics that the drop off is minimized. And at least Hispanics are hard working and do not suffer from our same sense of dominance guilt. You guys won't make that same mistake. Some of the funniest shlt I witnessed as a cop was when Hispanics started moving into a black neighborhood. Those fools got ground into chorizo. Merciless.

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infinity ag said:

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Man, I feel like we are over analyzing the hell out of this.

By merely using my eyes, I can see that Islamic and black cultures are inherently inferior. We can argue about why that is, of which there are a multitude of books on the topic, but at the end of the of the day they are inferior.

And like Tom Fox said, I'm looking at this from a population level and not an individual level.

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My final take is there is no such thing as superior or inferior culture. It is all a result of environment and surroundings. A white person and black person will behave exactly the same way given the same environment and situation. We are all human after all, nothing different between peoples. The reason why America is amazing is because of the time in history and they were building something from ground up so they did it well. Europeans also enslaved the entire world at some point based on race and religion.

So ultimately no one is better or worse at the basic level. What makes us different are the layers on top like environment.

Nothing more to discuss.

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Both my examples prove you wrong though. You've said so yourself especially with Muslims. You can put them in whatever optimal environment you can dream up and once they get to a certain scale they start destroying within. See Europe. See Minnesota.

Both these groups have the same environments that whites do in this country and in Europe, but at a large scale they continue to sabotage themselves over and over in the case of blacks and/or actively foment oppression and violence when it comes to Muslims. The former celebrates the worst of their culture and the latter has it actually baked into their DNA and religious decree.

Until they decide to change their ways, they are inferior cultures and it's frankly not debatable. In that regard, there is nothing more to discuss.

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I guess it depends on what we mean by culture. Is white a culture? It is a race. Is Muslim/Islam a culture? it is a religion.I think we may be mixing things up.

I think you mean race.

I don't think there is anything in the DNA. It is all the same. Muslim people are subject to tremendous brainwashing from their childhood (surroundings) which makes them radioactive. If you race a muslim baby in a healthy env and do not bring him near Islam then he will turn out okay.

Blacks carry a tremendous amount of historical baggage and victimhood today. One might argue that white people are responsible from 'breaking' their way of life and causing this disruption by bringing them here as slaves and now saying they are lazy and whatever else. If you picked out a black baby from Africa and sent him to China, he would probably end up at Harvard researching AI.

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This is straight up feel good, head in the sand dogma not based in reality. The notion some Somalian dimwit would be able to compete with the Chinese in the same upbringing is laughable.

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Why? That would be like saying a Hill Billy wouldn't be able to compete with the Chinese in the same upbringing.

All things being equal, outside of race and ethnicity, there's no reason neither couldn't compete is there?

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Never focus on individuals but rather population medians on things like IQ. Genetics are necessary but not sufficient.

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No Spin Ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Colonel Kurtz said:

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Our nation is permanently screwed unless we can reverse this and not allow Whites to become minorities in our own lands.

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"Own lands?"

Didn't the gringos immigrate over here by boat and found there were others already living here?

I mean, maybe call England or Ireland or wherever your "own land," but this place was already occupied with others who called it their "own land" already.

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Yes, they found nomadic Stone Age inhabitants scattered about and quickly assumed control of everything. It's been our own land for centuries.

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Yes, rational people would not want to return to the "noble savage" era of cannibalism, tribal hit and run rape and murder, slavery, famine, etc.

I mean, the Muslims do and much of the brown world is used to it, but not advanced Western cultures built by whites. Will be a rude awakening for the minority of brown/black people who enjoy Western cultures when whites lose their power and much of the planet returns to the old ways.

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You really think every brown is going to let the failures of the gringos keep them from doing better than the gringos did?

How would that happen? Are browns incapable of doing what, per se, that only whites can do?

Also, by browns are you including Hispanics in that category?

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We have plenty of examples. Central and South American countries must be doing awesome since half their population is in the US now.

I have to give credit where it's due to El Salvador and Bukele. But that's one example out of what, 30 countries?

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Couldn't care less about other countries when mine is the greatest there is and the only one my family has ever known and ever will.

I'm sure we browns can continue what whites started in this country, and if not, oh well, whites shouldn't have failed so hard that they lost it all in the first place.

Entiendes, Mendez.

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Sure

White hispanic doing my part but I don't care about the rest of you.

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White hispanic doing my part but I don't care about the rest of you.

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Mean!

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BenFiasco14 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Colonel Kurtz said:

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Our nation is permanently screwed unless we can reverse this and not allow Whites to become minorities in our own lands.

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"Own lands?"

Didn't the gringos immigrate over here by boat and found there were others already living here?

I mean, maybe call England or Ireland or wherever your "own land," but this place was already occupied with others who called it their "own land" already.

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Yes, they found nomadic Stone Age inhabitants scattered about and quickly assumed control of everything. It's been our own land for centuries.

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Yes, rational people would not want to return to the "noble savage" era of cannibalism, tribal hit and run rape and murder, slavery, famine, etc.

I mean, the Muslims do and much of the brown world is used to it, but not advanced Western cultures built by whites. Will be a rude awakening for the minority of brown/black people who enjoy Western cultures when whites lose their power and much of the planet returns to the old ways.

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You really think every brown is going to let the failures of the gringos keep them from doing better than the gringos did?

How would that happen? Are browns incapable of doing what, per se, that only whites can do?

Also, by browns are you including Hispanics in that category?

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We have plenty of examples. Central and South American countries must be doing awesome since half their population is in the US now.

I have to give credit where it's due to El Salvador and Bukele. But that's one example out of what, 30 countries?

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Couldn't care less about other countries when mine is the greatest there is and the only one my family has ever known and ever will.

I'm sure we browns can continue what whites started in this country, and if not, oh well, whites shouldn't have failed so hard that they lost it all in the first place.

Entiendes, Mendez.

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Sure

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Cool pic of a typical town in Mexico in 2025...

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White hispanic doing my part but I don't care about the rest of you.

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If the white hispanic mix is one of the biggest populations in the future in this country, I'd be OK with it...They both come from mostly good values and morals, mostly hard working people, mostly conservative (the men anyway), and mostly Christian people. A lot of the qualities of the people that built the country. I'm probably biased though, because my best friend for the last 40 years is a Mexican dude with a realy awesome family. They've always just accepted me as his white brother and have helped me through some really hard times in my life.

Its a bit late to this thread, but I'd add......

It's OK to be White.