Mythical Green Energy has Crippled Europe

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Been on a run of green energy failures lately. Here is an in-depth article on how Europe's blind pursuit of mythical green energy has completely crippled them, economically. Just another reason why so many climate blowhards are now abandoning it although it took AI's ascension to give them cover to do so.

https://www.wsj.com/business/energy-oil/europes-green-energy-rush-slashed-emissionsand-crippled-the-economy-e65a1a07?st=DHDfrj&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Totally expected outcome that anyone with a brain saw coming:

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Europe has succeeded in slashing carbon emissions more than any other regionby 30% from 2005 levels, compared with a 17% drop for the U.S. But along the way, the rush to renewables has helped drive up electricity prices in much of the continent.

Germany now has the highest domestic electricity prices in the developed world, while the U.K. has the highest industrial electricity rates, according to a basket of 28 major economies analyzed by the International Energy Agency. Italy isn't far behind. Average electricity prices for heavy industries in the European Union remain roughly twice those in the U.S. and 50% above China. Energy prices have also grown more volatile as the share of renewables increased.

Europe is going to miss out on AI growth because they don't have affordable nor reliable energy:

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It is crippling industry and hobbling Europe's ability to attract key economic drivers like artificial intelligence, which requires cheap and abundant electricity.

In Ireland, the state grid operator imposed an effective moratorium on new data centerswhich underpin cloud computing and AIuntil 2028, after existing data centers drained over a fifth of the country's electricity supply last year.

Jerome Evans, the CEO of a German data-center operator, sought to expand his two data centers in Frankfurt, Germany's internet crossroads. The local power provider told him he would have to wait a decade, until 2035, for the energy to power them.

O&G is bailing:

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British chemical company Ineos said in October it would close two plants in western Germany because of high energy costs. In recent days, Exxon-Mobil said it would close its chemical plant in Scotland and threatened to exit Europe's chemicals industry, saying green policies made it uncompetitive.

Meanwhile, the EU continues to double down on energy suicide in many cases:

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Britain, which pioneered the use of coal for energy, last year became the first large industrialized country to shut all of its coal-fired power plants. It has also banned new offshore oil-and-gas drilling.

Denmark plans to eliminate gas for home heating by 2035.

Around one-fifth of Germany's municipal utilities plan to shut down their gas networks in coming years, according to an October survey by the utilities' trade association.

The effect was to cut back on a major source of energy before any other is fully up and running.


Citizens now having to ration energy in winter:
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Polls show half of British consumers are planning to ration energy use this winter as they struggle with wholesale electricity costs that are 80% higher than the U.S.


Much more in the article.
BigRobSA
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We should stop calling it "Europe" and start calling it...


fc2112
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This is who to blame.

Rapier108
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fc2112 said:

This is who to blame.



Yep.

The only true clean/green energy is nuclear.
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Little Rock Ag
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And, it's probably illegal to use wood-burning fireplaces to stay warm, I imagine.
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Two world wars really did Europe in. They lack balls and brains.
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Rapier108 said:

fc2112 said:

This is who to blame.



Yep.

The only true clean/green energy is nuclear.

The giant irony here is that the treehuggers(especially the old ones) hate nuclear more than petroleum. They don't want green energy, they want a return to medieval squalor and the collapse of modern civilization, at least for the serfs anyway.
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Kashchei said:

Two world wars really did Europe in. They lack balls and brains.

A bunch of the brave ones died, and they were largely left with the French and the Spanish, two cultures not exactly known for a rigorous work ethic
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Kashchei said:

Two world wars really did Europe in. They lack balls and brains.

True. Imagine the racial demographics if there had not been two WW's. Do the math using normal birth rates at the time.
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fc2112 said:

This is who to blame.



Those are marxists. The very same people opposing any actual progress. The same people who believe in redistribution of wealth, murdering babies, open borders, men in women's sports, etc.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

fc2112 said:

This is who to blame.



Those are marxists. The very same people opposing any actual progress. The same people who believe in redistribution of wealth, murdering babies, open borders, men in women's sports, etc.


Correct. Every leftist movement since the late 60's has had support from our external enemies. They are winning in Europe and here. I tip my hat to them. We never thought we had enough useful idiots to help them to pull it off.
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Kashchei said:

Two world wars really did Europe in. They lack balls and brains.

Yep.

As I learned from Dr. Kramer and Dr. Bradford at A&M, the world wars killed off the best, brightest, and strongest of two generations throughout much of Europe.
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Mythical Green Energy has accomplished exactly what it was meant to accomplish.

Who the hell ever believed in it? The answer is "they"
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Misery loves company. That is why Europe wants us to join them, and if it were up to the Dems we would.

FYI China and India are laughing their way to the bank.
DallasAg 94
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We won the Industrial Revolution because we had cheap reliable energy. And we didn't have a war destroy our homeland... multiple times.

Europe deserves what they voted for.
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Stupid ass, self-genocidal, deranged, white liberals.

The absolute bane of not just the western world but the entire world.

The most destructive force of Earth.

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doubledog said:

Misery loves company. That is why Europe wants us to join them, and if it were up to the Dems we would.

FYI China and India are laughing their way to the bank.

Yet Russia isn't doing any of this stupidity are they?
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whatthehey78 said:

Kashchei said:

Two world wars really did Europe in. They lack balls and brains.

True. Imagine the racial demographics if there had not been two WW's. Do the math using normal birth rates at the time.
Consider Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution and WW2.

Dropped from 160 million in 1910 to 136.8 in 1920.
Dropped from 195.4 million in 1941 to 170.5 million in 1946.
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Not to worry, soon the majority of the "Europeans" will be those skilled in heating and cooking with camel dung.
Who needs electricity, or even clean water (since baths are highly optional).

See, they solved their problem!
I don't think you know me.
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We landed a dumpster contract for a French company installing 600 acres of solar next to the landfill. The landowner who leased his land to them for +~ 750k a year had several burn piles on the property. We are currently billing $400 a load plus $90 a ton to haul 10-14 loads a day out of the property to the landfill. What's in the loads? The burn piles they could have just set on fire but didn't because they are 'green'. When they clear the land they uproot the trees with excavators then use large mulchers to mulch everything. Everything with a fence in it also gets hauled to the landfill. It's going to be 14-20 days of work at this pace. Not a bad ROI for a couple of dumpster set ups that cost us 45k.

All because the French won't just burn the brush because of feels.
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It's working just how the left wants it to work.
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Cheap, abundant energy is literally the most important development in the history of mankind yet these nimrods are so focused on "muh climate change" that they're willing to kill the lynchpin of modern life. The same people who claim to be the champions of the poor are working tirelessly to raise the cost of living for everyone. It's amazing we give people this stupid and this destructive any amount of influence.
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In the words of Forrest Gump " stupid is as stupid does"
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Rapier108 said:

fc2112 said:

This is who to blame.



Yep.

The only true clean/green energy is nuclear.

You fail to realize the following:
1. Climate crisis was never about "clean energy"
2. It was about control. You can control people by owning energy
3. The LAST thing these Marxists want is cheap, abundant, reliable energy

Therefore, Nuclear Power Plants are totally off the table. And to make sure, let's demonize cooling towers and make everyone scared!!!

LOL OLD
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Always should have had their power cut off if going to demonize its source. Lead by example.
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Climate Change and Systemic Racism are both lucrative industries that consistently draw in funding. All the useful idiots with no real purpose in life put all their faith in these perceived noble causes, which in turn keeps the scams a float.

But the good news is its nearing an end. As long as there is competition in evidence based AI learning models, the truth will prevail. There will be no room for "scientific theories" based on human empathy. Not long after, performative virtue signaling will fade away. The left should be horrified of what's coming to shatter their entire identity as a social justice warrior.

Rational minds need to make sure the AI ecosystem becomes decentralized with proper barriers to keep political bias from creeping in.
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YouBet said:

Been on a run of green energy failures lately. Here is an in-depth article on how Europe's blind pursuit of mythical green energy has completely crippled them, economically. Just another reason why so many climate blowhards are now abandoning it although it took AI's ascension to give them cover to do so.

https://www.wsj.com/business/energy-oil/europes-green-energy-rush-slashed-emissionsand-crippled-the-economy-e65a1a07?st=DHDfrj&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Totally expected outcome that anyone with a brain saw coming:

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Europe has succeeded in slashing carbon emissions more than any other regionby 30% from 2005 levels, compared with a 17% drop for the U.S. But along the way, the rush to renewables has helped drive up electricity prices in much of the continent.

Germany now has the highest domestic electricity prices in the developed world, while the U.K. has the highest industrial electricity rates, according to a basket of 28 major economies analyzed by the International Energy Agency. Italy isn't far behind. Average electricity prices for heavy industries in the European Union remain roughly twice those in the U.S. and 50% above China. Energy prices have also grown more volatile as the share of renewables increased.

Europe is going to miss out on AI growth because they don't have affordable nor reliable energy:

Quote:

It is crippling industry and hobbling Europe's ability to attract key economic drivers like artificial intelligence, which requires cheap and abundant electricity.

In Ireland, the state grid operator imposed an effective moratorium on new data centerswhich underpin cloud computing and AIuntil 2028, after existing data centers drained over a fifth of the country's electricity supply last year.

Jerome Evans, the CEO of a German data-center operator, sought to expand his two data centers in Frankfurt, Germany's internet crossroads. The local power provider told him he would have to wait a decade, until 2035, for the energy to power them.

O&G is bailing:

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British chemical company Ineos said in October it would close two plants in western Germany because of high energy costs. In recent days, Exxon-Mobil said it would close its chemical plant in Scotland and threatened to exit Europe's chemicals industry, saying green policies made it uncompetitive.

Meanwhile, the EU continues to double down on energy suicide in many cases:

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Britain, which pioneered the use of coal for energy, last year became the first large industrialized country to shut all of its coal-fired power plants. It has also banned new offshore oil-and-gas drilling.

Denmark plans to eliminate gas for home heating by 2035.

Around one-fifth of Germany's municipal utilities plan to shut down their gas networks in coming years, according to an October survey by the utilities' trade association.

The effect was to cut back on a major source of energy before any other is fully up and running.


Citizens now having to ration energy in winter:
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Polls show half of British consumers are planning to ration energy use this winter as they struggle with wholesale electricity costs that are 80% higher than the U.S.


Much more in the article.



Heres a really good, in depth interview abiut the uk's situation. Its not good

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When you combine the leftist war on energy with the ignorant attempts to destroy agriculture in strong farming economies like the Netherlands, then you have the makings of a future famine in a continent that should never have to experience such a disaster.

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They tried to solve a problem that didn't exist. I go to Europe quite often and the amount of wind turbines they have over. There is very disturbing. They are so damn ugly.
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Whoever makes the decision to drag the wind generator components down two lane highways should be strapped to one of the blades as soon as it's operational.
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IIIHorn said:

Whoever makes the decision to drag the wind generator components down two lane highways should be strapped to one of the blades as soon as it's operational.


Ha. I've dealt with this numerous times in Texas on Hwy 183.
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YouBet said:

IIIHorn said:

Whoever makes the decision to drag the wind generator components down two lane highways should be strapped to one of the blades as soon as it's operational.


Ha. I've dealt with this numerous times in Texas on Hwy 183.

The F all is that each windmill will never produce more "green" energy than the carbon footprint established to manufacture them, transport them, erect them, and service them. It's s complete god damned leftist joke and the best part is that the energy sector got the payout anyway dummies.

And yes, 183 is particularly bad. They're either going south past SA or north up the massive farms around Hamilton that have torched the northern view from my ranch in San Saba Co at night.

Utterly stupid.
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Urban Ag said:

YouBet said:

IIIHorn said:

Whoever makes the decision to drag the wind generator components down two lane highways should be strapped to one of the blades as soon as it's operational.


Ha. I've dealt with this numerous times in Texas on Hwy 183.

The F all is that each windmill will never produce more "green" energy than the carbon footprint established to manufacture them, transport them, erect them, and service them. It's s complete god damned leftist joke and the best part is that the energy sector got the payout anyway dummies.

And yes, 183 is particularly bad. They're either going south past SA or north up the massive farms around Hamilton that have torched the northern view from my ranch in San Saba Co at night.

Utterly stupid.

Anyone watching Landman has seen the video of him telling the lawyer just that. I'd post it but the language may get me banned. It's pretty funny.

If not, go to YouTube and search

Landman Tommy explains wind energy
LOL OLD
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