December 1941- The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor hour by hour...

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At this hour on December 5, 1941, the main body of the Japanese attack fleet (known as the Kid Butai, or First Air Fleet)

was secretly crossing the North Pacific Ocean, roughly between the Aleutian Islands and Midway, en route to its launch position north of Hawaii.

The Kido Butai fleet had departed in total radio silence from Hitokappu Bay in the remote Kurile Islands on November 26, 1941 to avoid detection. The attack plan required the fleet to maintain strict secrecy, following a northern route and avoiding regular shipping lanes.

On December 5, 1941 (Hawaii time), the fleet's location can be pinpointed by the following events:

The fleet refueled in the North Pacific, around 42 degrees north latitude and 170 degrees east longitude.


After refueling, the fleet turned south, increasing speed to approach the Hawaiian Islands.

They were still days away from their launch point.

The United States was largely unaware of the fleet's location at the time, as the Japanese used clever deception tactics, including fake radio transmissions from their home waters to fool U.S. intelligence into believing the aircraft carriers were still in Japan.
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I have probably told this before: I don't know how long that news took to get to Houston, but mom was working in OR at old Jeff Davis hospital where she went to nursing school, when a surgeon who was Naval Reservist burst in and said, " The Japs just bombed Pearl Harbor. Who wants to join the Navy? Mother, three years off an Arkansas farm raised her hand. In no time she was in San Diego caring for burned sailors from Pearl Harbor.
Out there, she met a Marine Lt from Texas A&M,married him six weeks later and had to resign from Navy because they didn't allow females to be married. Eighty four years later they are side by side at National Cemetery in Dallas, she got her own space because she was a vet.
God Bless those who stepped up.
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I recently came across this video detailing the American carrier fleet at the time.



There were three carriers stationed in the Pacific on Dec. 7th, the rest were in the Atlantic. Saratoga had just finished a drydock period in Washington and was inbound for San Diego. I don't know if she was stationed there or Pearl, but she wasn't in the area regardless.

Enterprise had just finished a mission to deliver extra fighters to Wake Island and was returning to Pearl when the Japanese struck. Of course, all the fighters she delivered to Wake were destroyed.

Lexington was bound for Midway on a similar mission to deliver aircraft, but she was recalled after the attacks started.

Enterprise and Lexington both searched for the Japanese carriers in the days after the attacks but did not encounter them. I'm curious what might have happened if they found the Japanese carriers.

Later in December there was task force sent to relieve Wake Island, but it was later recalled.
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just read Ghost of Honolulu, detailing the spy ring both the Japanese and US had going on in Hawaii. Crazy the things both sides were doing. Japan was doing surveillance on the ships in port and the US suspected an attack but could not confirm timing.
I wanna see our defense pissed off, not confused, maybe a little murder in their hearts Reload12, 11/4/11
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Japanese Empire knew whereabouts of USN ships with help of espionage assets in Hawaii - incl Takeo Yoshikawa and his confidantes who were trusted by Americans...(let it be a warning for us today about who tf we let into our country over the last few years).

Takeo Yoshikawa - Wikipedia

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Because of his expertise on the U.S. Navy, Yoshikawa was sent to Hawaii posing as a vice-consul named Tadashi Morimura ( Morimura Tadashi), arriving on March 27, 1941, with Nagao Kita ( Kita Nagao), the new Japanese Consul-General, aboard the liner Nitta Maru.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeo_Yoshikawa#cite_note-HistoryNet-1][1][/url]

He rented a second-story apartment that overlooked Pearl Harbor and would often wander around the island of Oahu, taking notes on fleet movements and security measures.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeo_Yoshikawa#cite_note-Oneal-3][3][/url] He rented small airplanes at John Rodgers Airport and flew around, observing U.S. installations; he also dove under the harbor using a hollow reed as a breathing device.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeo_Yoshikawa#cite_note-Edit-4][4][/url] He gathered information by taking the Navy's own harbor tugboat and listening to local gossip. He worked closely with German Abwehr agent Bernard Kuehn,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeo_Yoshikawa#cite_note-Kuhn-5][5][/url] as well as another former Etajima graduate, Kokichi Seki ( Seki K'kichi), an untrained spy who served as the consulate's treasurer.

According to Yoshikawa, although some 160,000 persons of Japanese ancestry lived in Hawaii at that time, he never tried to make use of this resource in his espionage activities. He and Seki agreed that, while Hawaii should be the "easiest place" to carry out such work in view of the large Japanese population, both looked upon the locals with disdain. "[T]hose men of influence and character who might have assisted me in my secret mission were unanimously uncooperative...."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeo_Yoshikawa#cite_note-Proceedings-6][6][/url]

Instead he made "regular use of a Japanese-American military veteran, a driver in the employ of the consulate general for over 20 years, whom he valued for his being "trusted by the Americans." Another Japanese-American working at the consulate general bought at least one airplane ticket in his own name for Yoshikawa, who wished to avoid suspicion by buying too many tickets himself. He also turned often to a favorite taxi driver, an immigrant with Japanese military experience, who on at least one occasion hid his taxi outside the consulate general to help Yoshikawa avoid surveillance at the beginning of his route."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeo_Yoshikawa#cite_note-7][7][/url]

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In December 1941, U.S. and Japan negotiations were at a breaking point, with both sides trying to avert war but failing due to irreconcilable demands:

the U.S. wanted Japan out of China/Indochina and respect for their sovereignty,

while Japan sought resources (oil from Dutch East Indies) and recognized rights in China.

Late November 1941: The U.S. presented the "Hull Note" (actually a draft agreement) which was essentially an ultimatum demanding Japanese withdrawal from China and Indochina and respect for territorial integrity.

December 6, 1941: President Roosevelt sent a personal appeal to Emperor Hirohito, urging peaceful resolution and an end to threats in the Pacific.
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Grandfather signed up for the Navy a few weeks later. He was told that he would go to training in San Diego for a few months, then come home for a few months, and then deploy. He asked my grandmother to marry him with the plan to do it when he comes home for those few months. He showed up four years later. She waited for him but I am pretty sure held it against him a little for their 70 years of marriage.
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Best Video on the subject, even shows attack route of planes and the HUGE targeting errors by Japanese pilots.

Also includes the video of the Arizona exploding.



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Anyone who is really interested in WW2 War in the Pacific, the Unauthorized History of the Pacific War podcast on YouTube is a fantastic series by some guys who really know their stuff and provide lot of details in a great story telling format.
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From the December 9, 1941 Battalion.
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What a cool story.
“Some people bring joy wherever they go, and some people bring joy whenever they go.” ~ Mark Twain
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My father was a sophomore watching a movie at the Campus Theater on Sunday, Dec. 7, when someone stopped the movie and announced that the Japanese had attacked Pearl Harbor. He eventually served in a Combat Engineer Battalion in Europe.

My uncle, USMC Captain Paul A. Brown '28, was one of the "China Marines" with the 4th Marine Regiment who was reassigned from Shanghai to the Philippines, arriving at the end of November 1941.

He and the other Marines became part of the defense of Corregidor. He was captured when the island fell and ultimately died in a Jap POW camp in Japan.
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OldArmy71 said:

My father was a sophomore watching a movie at the Campus Theater on Sunday, Dec. 7, when someone stopped the movie and announced that the Japanese had attacked Pearl Harbor. He eventually served in a Combat Engineer Battalion in Europe.

My uncle, USMC Captain Paul A. Brown '28, was one of the "China Marines" with the 4th Marine Regiment who was reassigned from Shanghai to the Philippines, arriving at the end of November 1941.

He and the other Marines became part of the defense of Corregidor. He was captured when the island fell and ultimately died in a Jap POW camp in Japan.

Incredible.
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Owlagdad said:

I have probably told this before: I don't know how long that news took to get to Houston, but mom was working in OR at old Jeff Davis hospital where she went to nursing school, when a surgeon who was Naval Reservist burst in and said, " The Japs just bombed Pearl Harbor. Who wants to join the Navy? Mother, three years off an Arkansas farm raised her hand. In no time she was in San Diego caring for burned sailors from Pearl Harbor.
Out there, she met a Marine Lt from Texas A&M,married him six weeks later and had to resign from Navy because they didn't allow females to be married. Eighty four years later they are side by side at National Cemetery in Dallas, she got her own space because she was a vet.
God Bless those who stepped up.


Chills from this!
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Ah, the Japanese version of invading Russia in winter.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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Interesting. I had no clue about Adm Richardson or his pleas to Roosevelt to move the fleet back to SD...

Roosevelt is like Klein calling for a wildcat lateral that results in a fumble and nearly costing us the USCe game.
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In the spring of 1940, the U.S. Pacific Fleet engaged in extensive maneuvers, and when the war games concluded in May Roosevelt ordered the fleet to remain at its forward base, Pearl Harbor, rather than return to its permanent anchorage at San Diego, California. The president was confident that the provocative move would "exercise a restraining influence on the actions of Japan."

At least one high-ranking naval officer, however, disagreed. And it cost him his job.

Admiral James O. Richardson was Commander-in-Chief, United States Fleet. He was a career man, graduating fifth in the U.S. Naval Academy class of 1902. A veteran of World War I, he served aboard the battleship USS Nevada and commanded the cruiser USS Augusta during the interwar years. As Assistant Chief of Naval Operations, he led the search for missing aviatrix Amelia Earhardt and the investigation into the Japanese sinking of the gunboat USS Panay on the Yangtze River in China in 1937.

When Roosevelt ordered the Pacific Fleet to remain in Hawaiian waters, Richardson strenuously objected. He believed that the relocation would goad Japan into military action, inviting a preemptive strike. Richardson also cited a lack of faith in approved plans in the event of war with Japanthe so-called War Plan Orange.

In January 1940, he wrote to Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Harold R. Stark, " You are the principal and only Naval Adviser to the boss [Roosevelt] and he should know that our Fleet cannot just sail away, lick Orange, and be back at home in a year or so. Also the probable cost of any war should be compared [with] the probable value of winning the war."

Richardson further decried the war readiness of the U.S. Navy in 1940. Admiral Richard Carney, Chief of Naval Operations in the 1950s, attended a meeting as a young officer in which he heard Richardson "saying in plain and understandable language, that the Navy wasn't ready for war. Step by step, he dismantled my confident belief that the U.S. Navy could win a quick decision."
Thus, for Richardson Roosevelt's decision to move the Pacific Fleet to Pearl Harbor was unthinkable. He made two trips to Washington to discuss the matter with FDR and put his concerns in writing.

Apparently American history books have been written to omit facts damaging to Dear Leader Roosevelt.
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torrid said:

I recently came across this video detailing the American carrier fleet at the time.



There were three carriers stationed in the Pacific on Dec. 7th, the rest were in the Atlantic. Saratoga had just finished a drydock period in Washington and was inbound for San Diego. I don't know if she was stationed there or Pearl, but she wasn't in the area regardless.

Enterprise had just finished a mission to deliver extra fighters to Wake Island and was returning to Pearl when the Japanese struck. Of course, all the fighters she delivered to Wake were destroyed.

Lexington was bound for Midway on a similar mission to deliver aircraft, but she was recalled after the attacks started.

Enterprise and Lexington both searched for the Japanese carriers in the days after the attacks but did not encounter them. I'm curious what might have happened if they found the Japanese carriers.

Later in December there was task force sent to relieve Wake Island, but it was later recalled.
. My uncle was on the Lexington. It was later sunk in the Battle of Coral Sea. The government was not providing info on survivors. It was hard on the family. My uncle came rolling into town unannounced before reassignment. He was treated a like a celebrity by the local press. Then went to the Hornet. As I recall
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Wonderful, simply wonderful!
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After graduating from HS in 1973, I worked that summer in the machine shop of a factory . One of the old guys there was in charge of the exotic metals that were kept in an enclosed cage. From time to time, I would check out one of the exotic metal bars, and cut it to size for the machinists.

One day, I somehow got into a conversation with the old guy about his military service. He said that he was on one of the ships in Pearl Harbor when it was attacked. He was down below getting ready to go to church when the attack began. He ran up on deck, manned a deck gun, and started shooting at the Jap planes.

I just a young guy then, and don't remember asking him any questions, probably because I could see the pained look in his eyes from his experience. If it was today, I would have asked questions. I don't think he said which ship he was on, if he did, I don't remember it.
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My Dad was in ROTC at Ga Tech when Pearl was attacked. He quit school and was in aviation cadets by February. Flew 75 combat missions in P-39s in South Pacific. I was oldest of three boys. We were raised that we had an obligation to serve and should join ROTC when in college. Thought I'd go to Tech but we moved to Texas after my Sophomore year in HS, Got interested in A&M, drank the Aggie cool aid, and rest is history. My middle brother was '74 in Sqdn 1. Youngest was '77. Made one semester in Animal 8, one semester as non-reg, and was not invited back. Ended up at West Texas State but not in ROTC
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Hornet was then sunk off Guadalcanal in late 1942!
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F4GIB71 said:

My Dad was in ROTC at Ga Tech when Pearl was attacked. He quit school and was in aviation cadets by February. Flew 75 combat missions in P-39s in South Pacific. I was oldest of three boys. We were raised that we had an obligation to serve and should join ROTC when in college. Thought I'd go to Tech but we moved to Texas after my Sophomore year in HS, Got interested in A&M, drank the Aggie cool aid, and rest is history. My middle brother was '74 in Sqdn 1. Youngest was '77. Made one semester in Animal 8, one semester as non-reg, and was not invited back. Ended up at West Texas State but not in ROTC

P-39 or P-38??

the Airacobra was such a poor plane that only one American pilot ever became an ace.

the P-38 was one of the best fighters of the war and shot down Yammamoto

*the architect of the Pearl Harbor attack
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Here are some of the radio broadcasts on and after Pearl Harbor.

From https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3381575/replies/65006174
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December 7, 1941

MBS - Flash: White House announces Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor (0:09)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/DDJ26MFQNR#s7julJQtE5mG


NBC - 2:28 pm - President Roosevelt has announced that the Japanese have attacked Pearl Harbor (0:31)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/JBX3Q4S60R#ZKKtHpiYdHVy


CBS - Report of Pearl Harbor attack (2:21)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/3V9P3FACA8#GSMrdW9jwYQr


CBS - 2:30 pm - The World Today - The Japanese have attacked Pearl Harbor by air (0:22)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/BC12AM35BM#EPGG4Po3dX6w


NBC - 2:30 pm - The Japanese have attacked Pearl Harbor by air - Canada at War (30:59)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/9PTXGJ9TKW#6HlD3GsOP2hj


NBC - 2:32 pm - Bulletin on Pearl Harbor Attack (0:41)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/1D3VK7690G#LigY6yAVCYvp


CBS - 2:37 pm - Albert Warner speculates on FDR's next steps (6:17)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/APRTGC3VNR#XFKZc7H5WuyS


CBS - 2:37 pm - British Reaction - also confirms reports of activities in Singapore (1:09)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/PB7163ZVSW#N5vjiauKEcCa


CBS - 2:49 pm - Report from Manilla cut off by censors (0:12)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/HSBST53Z2R#IIJkgjR7GXgv


NBC - 2:52 pm - Burma bombed by Japanese (0:42)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/DYESW2JE3M#Lqw21Z6RsgGY


CBS - 3:00 pm - New York City Philarmonic Concert interrupted - US transport torpedoed (17:22)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/0QT94TQZE8#pDmfnefpvJiu


NBC - 3:15 pm - H V Kaltenborn - analysis (14:07)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/T1BDG3H24C#7tZxT1T3A3WJ


NBC - 3:30 pm - Listen America - war news toward the end (23:09)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/CAQY3GGEKC#SAoXT2HuzvQA


NBC - 4:00 pm - National Vespers - break at 5:57 - President to call cabinet meeting for 8:30 pm and report from Honolulu (24:19)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/XK9E6Z9YP0#OyZ4pmdFZeYl


NBC - 4:09 pm - Cabinet meeting, Report from Honolulu (3:07)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/28N8WA7YQG#Zwd0YqIT3zgw


NBC - 6:00 pm - Catholic Hour with Rev James Gillis (29:11)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/5ZK31QS5X8#Sgysret7Geux


NBC - 6:30 pm - War News (14:54)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/MY3D5DYHF8#j0RkbIfP9UBm


NBC - 6:45 pm - Eleanor Roosevelt weekly broadcast (14:39)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/990JZ4MQ2C#g312OHlZ3c5w


NBC - 11:00 pm - NBC NEWS (14:24)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/0B9HY8GG8G#c9Z1NBWiJo3p


NBC - 11:30 pm - Round Table Discussion (28:24)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/N0XQF07K6R#N2tWZWQr9FJf


BBC - Japanese Attacks on Hawaii and Philipines, Japan declares war (0:57)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/9HRT8TGQ70#V14x6h6wdM2o


BBC - Washington Reaction to Pearl Harbor attack (0:52)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/920ME029M8#DJyy4L0PWdTq


CBS - Analysis of Attack (3:18)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/80S8J5M3RG#CcfQg2lo38sY


CBS - Attempt to call Honolulu and Manilla - no answer (1:04)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/NDCJ40M6R0#UtAuv6OKSwaq


CBS - Football Broadcast interrupted for War Bulletin (0:47)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/6DQ9TNMNX4#BPl6zxaA75YQ


MBS - Football Broadcast interrupted (0:30)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/VKBK9ZK8AM#QY7OTuM0Tq6E


NBC - News Bulletin (3:40)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/P1V9T0C7DG#iQomxoPIY00y


NBC - American Legion Special Defense Message (14:18)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/E7GVDGBDY4#mbozoblQ9qsG


NHK - Gen Hideki Tojo Declares War on Allies (0:14)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/110AZDA1MG#aBUstiwXzezX


WNYC - New York Mayor Fiorello La Guardia - We are in extreme crisis (8:36)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/M5TR9DPKG0#oF69XSzuqqi4


CBS - The World Today (29:16)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/GVT56R3VA8#58Pz4Xu1bB6L



December 8, 1941

NBC - 01:00 am - News and Music (25:42)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/1MZZDTRFNC#5LGQwKVGkECS


NBC - 03:09 am - Report from Manilla - Mannila is being bombed (0:32)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/VWHDTDXR1M#1akTlYFeId9A


NBC - 10:45 am - Familiar Melodies with news (14:57)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/54E7X408BC#y4RksCYSM2qa


NBC - 11:00 am - Story of Mary Marlin - White House announces about 3,000 casualties including fatalities (14:09)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/9Q549SM5SM#EQPctxSEoBnh


CBS - 11:50 am - Joint Session of Congress, Declaration of War (1:09:09)
Proceedings from floor cannot be broadcast
at 13:34, President Roosevelt is arriving
https://drive.proton.me/urls/65YG8EAN0W#eLETYwpcd8kI


Yesterday, December 7, 1941, a date which will live in infamy ... (4:47)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/5X8HE534Y4#5lUBZosZsjRJ


NBC - 12:40 pm - Roosevelt has asked for a Declaration of War (32:38)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/VJNQ6NHRX0#05ap9m0lTZpc


NBC - 1:30 pm - Senate vote unanimous. House vote continuing. Only one, from Montana, has voted no so far (14:25)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/84XZWCM3ZW#Da4ODsw3X693


NBC - 1:45 pm - Report from Manilla (14:19)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/ND8TV4HZNR#pK1Y3gwwcCdC


NBC - 9:30 pm - More news from Manilla (29:19)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/51DKCK63G4#8spYL6rTnL11


BBC - Far East Attacks (0:44)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/ZNYBPSYPBM#6pvhNH6cZFNX


BBC - Winston Churchill - War with Japan (21:09)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/70PVGG8X48#Acesuewtw9aT


CBS - Bombers sited overhead in Guam, Japanese attack Shanghai, Americans strand\ (8:36)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/AZFRZ1F6GM#ORiQQJps0Olh


CBS - The battle is on (27:45)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/M7MAD73BVC#ShVRPIQHFauz


NBC - Vandercook - US declared war, Britain declared war, Cuba, Haiti, Honduras, Dominican Republic with us, too, Guam and Wake are threatened (13:18)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/61YX2S42G8#4xWjPcgvrk3c


December 9, 1941

CBS - The World Today - FDR declares Italians, Germans, Japanese in the US to be ENEMY ALIENS (14:44)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/BVXYCC0W0G#3Qq42fEWRjW5


FDR - Fireside Chat - We are fighting to maintain our right to live (28:04)
https://drive.proton.me/urls/TNCMND4Q0W#8r8ar9mptaGh


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No, P-39. It was early in the war. Flew 75 missions. I recall him saying they'd fly a tour of 25, then he'd extend for another tour hoping to get a better aircraft like P-38. He returned to the States presumably because they needed instructors with combat experience. He instructed in P-40 and P-51s. I know the P-39 is the only aircraft without a "fan club" but there is something special about whatever you flew in combat. I recall a quote from Winston Churchill somewhat to that effect.
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I also think some of it was how the aircraft was used. The Russians flew it very successfully like an A-10 as a tank buster. The Russians had air to air kills but I imagine a lot of them were at lower altitudes because of weather were the P-39 preformed better than as under powered at higher altitudes
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Owlagdad said:

I have probably told this before: I don't know how long that news took to get to Houston, but mom was working in OR at old Jeff Davis hospital where she went to nursing school, when a surgeon who was Naval Reservist burst in and said, " The Japs just bombed Pearl Harbor. Who wants to join the Navy? Mother, three years off an Arkansas farm raised her hand. In no time she was in San Diego caring for burned sailors from Pearl Harbor.
Out there, she met a Marine Lt from Texas A&M,married him six weeks later and had to resign from Navy because they didn't allow females to be married. Eighty four years later they are side by side at National Cemetery in Dallas, she got her own space because she was a vet.
God Bless those who stepped up.


That's a great story. Can't imagine the results would be the same now. There's a huge chunk of Millennials and Gen Z'ers who would never fight for the US regardless of the circumstances.
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ts5641 said:

Owlagdad said:

I have probably told this before: I don't know how long that news took to get to Houston, but mom was working in OR at old Jeff Davis hospital where she went to nursing school, when a surgeon who was Naval Reservist burst in and said, " The Japs just bombed Pearl Harbor. Who wants to join the Navy? Mother, three years off an Arkansas farm raised her hand. In no time she was in San Diego caring for burned sailors from Pearl Harbor.
Out there, she met a Marine Lt from Texas A&M,married him six weeks later and had to resign from Navy because they didn't allow females to be married. Eighty four years later they are side by side at National Cemetery in Dallas, she got her own space because she was a vet.
God Bless those who stepped up.


That's a great story. Can't imagine the results would be the same now. There's a huge chunk of Millennials and Gen Z'ers who would never fight for the US regardless of the circumstances.

As William Shirer wrote in the epic best seller The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich, extremely unlikely there will ever again be a war like WW1 or WW2, prolonged global conflicts requiring mass mobilizations etc. The next 'World War' if it ever happens will start and end quickly in Nuclear explosions and fallout. Mankind has simply gotten too good at this point in technology to kill each other. Aggressive adventurer conqueror nations like Hitler's Germany or the Empire of Japan would now have a very short adventure.

"Adolf Hitler is probably the last of the great adventurer-conquerors in the tradition of Alexander, Caesar and Napoleon, and the Third Reich the last of the empires which set out on the path taken earlier by France, Rome and Macedonia. The curtain was rung down on that phase of history, at least, by the sudden invention of the hydrogen bomb, of the ballistic missile and of rockets that can be aimed to hit the moon."

William Shirer - The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich
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OldArmy71 said:

My father was a sophomore watching a movie at the Campus Theater on Sunday, Dec. 7, when someone stopped the movie and announced that the Japanese had attacked Pearl Harbor. He eventually served in a Combat Engineer Battalion in Europe.

My uncle, USMC Captain Paul A. Brown '28, was one of the "China Marines" with the 4th Marine Regiment who was reassigned from Shanghai to the Philippines, arriving at the end of November 1941.

He and the other Marines became part of the defense of Corregidor. He was captured when the island fell and ultimately died in a Jap POW camp in Japan.

A few months before Pearl Harbor my father signed up to serve. Because he was in the ROTC program the Army tried to recruit him for the regular service, he wanted to stay with his local National Guard (and his friends) so he turned them down. Turns out that the unit that was recruiting him was sent to the Philippines and they were part of the death march. He trained in LA and was sent first to Pacific and then to Europe.

My uncles (on both father and mother's side) fought in the Army/Navy one is buried in Normandy. My mother joined the nursing core, they sent her to a hospital in the states, where she treated the badly wounded sailors. My father, mother and uncles have long since passed, but their service and sacrifice is remembered.
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Admiral Husband E. Kimmel was the Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet during the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. In the immediate aftermath, he was relieved of command and demoted, becoming one of the principal figures blamed for the lack of preparedness. His role and accountability remain a subject of historical debate.

Kimmel assumed command of the Pacific Fleet in February 1941, shortly after the fleet was moved to its advanced base at Pearl Harbor as a deterrent to Japan.

Although he expressed concerns about the fleet's vulnerability and requested additional resources, he and his Army counterpart, General Walter Short, focused primarily on the threat of sabotage and potential attacks on outlying islands like Wake and Midway, rather than a direct air assault on the harbor itself.


Intelligence: Vital intelligence intercepts (known as "Magic") indicating an imminent Japanese attack were available in Washington, D.C., but were not fully shared with Kimmel and Short in Hawaii.

Preparedness: Kimmel did not order extensive long-range reconnaissance patrols to the north, the direction from which the Japanese fleet approached, or deploy torpedo nets around the battleships, as he believed the water was too shallow for aerial torpedoes.

Coordination: Communication and coordination between Army and Navy commanders in Hawaii were weak, leading to lapses in defensive measures, such as clustering aircraft together to prevent sabotage, which made them easy targets for the Japanese air raid.

Following the attack, a presidential commission (the Roberts Commission) found Kimmel and Short guilty of dereliction of duty and poor judgment. Kimmel was relieved of command on December 17, 1941, reverted to his permanent two-star rank of rear admiral, and retired from the Navy in early 1942.
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It's just so strange hearing the original radio broadcasts from December 1941 and June 1944

because the voices sound so differently than listening to the radio today.

Guaranteed that 70% of the American public heard that initial flash broadcast and said:

"what the hell is Pearl Harbor?"
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Unauthorized History Of The Pacific War podcast

Japanese planning of the attack on Pearl Harbor


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