How the political tide turned on Mark Welsh, Texas A&M's ousted president

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Owlagdad said:

Politics go with the territory.

He shielded people who were knowingly breaking the law and continued to allow them to break the law. Knowingly. While standing against the voters of the State of Texas and the leadership of the state. That is more than just politics.

Texas gave him good cover to essentially clean house and he chose to do the opposite.
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BusterAg said:

lbcshort said:

I read the article and I felt like one thing the author was trying to point out, aside from the President Welch situation, was the difficulty at institutions trying to follow federal mandates (which were quite liberal) and the time continuum where there was a backlash from conservatives in Texas. I was naive that Governor Abbott was so influential in what happenedI guess I thought he appointed the regents and they had oversight/control over administration. It seems he is possibly way more concerned about how "leftest" A&M is and not as concerned about his own Alma Mater.
I see college as a place for students to have their perspectives challenged. I am not afraid of a moderate. I am more concerned about never seeing, reading, or hearing anything outside of a bubble. Sometimes being exposed to other ideas strengthens your own views.
Blast away and call me names.

Some ideas are not worth being taught in the classroom though.

Like teaching a children's literature class where you tell future teachers that it is important to expose toddlers to transgender ideas while they are still young so that they have the opportunity to start hormone therapies while they are still pre-pubescent.

It's one thing to talk about transgenderism in a human sexuality class. It is another thing to provide a playbook to people learning about Children's literature on how to teach transgenderism to toddlers.

When you teach about the holocaust, you should be teaching about the evils of Nazism in a history or economics class, not how to construct a gas chamber in a chemistry class.

This. Politics has been injected into instruction when it is totally unnecessary. Hell, even in political science, you don't advocate certain political views, you study how politics plays out.
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Until y'all understand what the left has become, you won't understand the full scope of why they are doing these things.

Too many still believe the left are good people with just different ideas. That is not the case at all, and they exploit that naivety.
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The tide will turn quickly on any leader who is forced to retract public statements when confronted with a recording of what he said behind closed doors. If Mark Welsh had spoken the truth, he would still be the left leaning President of a historically conservative university.

"Let honor be your guiding star in your dealings with your superiors, your fellows, with all."~Gov Richard Coke's advice to the students of the A&M college.
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Welsh was a wolf in sheeps clothing. He was taking A&M down the leftward march same as Young, just on a shallower glide slope as the article said.

Glad to see him go, and cautiously optimistic that the Board and the new Chancellor are going to quit buckling to the faculty and hire a President that will not only stop the slide, but move the University back to it's traditional roots.

Thanks to Representative Harrison, the Rudder Foundation, and all those here that put pressure on the Board/Governor/Chancellor to get rid of Welsh.
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Feels like quite a few on this board earned some merit badges! Well done to those who kept threads at the top and kuddos to those who compiled and dug up info.
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joelshaw85 said:

Should have known about the guy before they hired him.

They did. He led the Bush School. That is his calling card. Bush family appointee. General under Obama. There was no confusion.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

Owlagdad said:

Politics go with the territory.

He shielded people who were knowingly breaking the law and continued to allow them to break the law. Knowingly. While standing against the voters of the State of Texas and the leadership of the state. That is more than just politics.

Texas gave him good cover to essentially clean house and he chose to do the opposite.


Yes.
And I guess the money is so good, these guys think they can straddle fence, or convince folks that their way is best. If you were a school superintendent and your board changed during election, you would be asked to leave or wait until they fire you if you werent their guy. Same if you are head coach. I dont feel sorry for these guys. Welch was given a job, and he didnt do it.
Too much emotion interjection these days in both private or public sector. I bet your sweet ass, Welch has already landed on his feet somewhere. If you dont fit in at A&M, go find work at Yale, or Rice or somewhere. Taxpayers are your boss.
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Captain Pablo said:

This quote from early in the article

""Mark is pretty moderate," said an influential A&M donor and alum who asked not to be named because of their continued relationship with the school. "I think that he was just like many of us in being naive about just how much the far-right was going to come after [DEI]. It wasn't going to go away, until it was too late.""

Yeah ok


"moderate", "far-right"

Never believe anything a leftist says.
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lbcshort said:

I read the article and I felt like one thing the author was trying to point out, aside from the President Welch situation, was the difficulty at institutions trying to follow federal mandates (which were quite liberal) and the time continuum where there was a backlash from conservatives in Texas. I was naive that Governor Abbott was so influential in what happenedI guess I thought he appointed the regents and they had oversight/control over administration. It seems he is possibly way more concerned about how "leftest" A&M is and not as concerned about his own Alma Mater.
I see college as a place for students to have their perspectives challenged. I am not afraid of a moderate. I am more concerned about never seeing, reading, or hearing anything outside of a bubble. Sometimes being exposed to other ideas strengthens your own views.
Blast away and call me names.

This, my friend, goes to the heart of the problem with many institutions, and is the very reason why Welsh lost his job.

College IS the place for students to have their perspectives challenged. It is ALSO the place where students should be free to challenge the perspectives of their professors without being punished; and, for the better argument to win the day.

That is NOT what is happening. Look at the recent events at OU, where the student who followed the prompt to give her perspective of an article was "challenged" on that perspective by summarily being given a zero on the project, under the blatantly faulty premise that she didn't follow the project prompts.

Ask yourself why there are virtually no faculty members who consider themselves of the right. Almost all are of the left. So while I agree that there is a 'bubble' in the university setting, we probably disagree on what that 'bubble' is.
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Captain Pablo said:

This quote from early in the article

""Mark is pretty moderate," said an influential A&M donor and alum who asked not to be named because of their continued relationship with the school. "I think that he was just like many of us in being naive about just how much the far-right was going to come after [DEI]. It wasn't going to go away, until it was too late.""

Yeah ok


Anyone who says, "far-right" is NOT a moderate.
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Ag87H2O said:

Welsh was a wolf in sheeps clothing. He was taking A&M down the leftward march same as Young, just on a shallower glide slope as the article said.

I say this with all due respect and with no ill intent whatsoever:

As an outsider, I see most Aggies so want to support other Aggies and believe in their virtue because you are brethren. It's a wonderful thing, and it can be used to your detriment. I have seen it taken advantage of many times by people who use that to manipulate fellow Aggies into just letting them do their thing.

I have seen the Aggie President of an entity choose mostly Aggies to be on the board of directors. When the President began steering the entity off the rails, they leveraged the brotherhood to avoid consequences and run off anyone who objected with the President. The Aggie board members continued to believe in the President because an Aggie does not lie, cheat, or steal or tolerate those who do.

I think many people trusted other Aggies' opinions of Welsh which allowed him more leeway at the University than he should have been given. I think the same has been true of John Sharp, and a lot of people would admit so privately.

**I have many Aggie friends and am here because of that. In the President/Board issue above, a very close Aggie friend caught the bad end of the deal with the President rallying the troops against the people exposing misdeeds (not necessarily illegal).
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CDUB98 said:

Until y'all understand what the left has become, you won't understand the full scope of why they are doing these things.

Too many still believe the left are good people with just different ideas. That is not the case at all, and they exploit that naivety.

This. This isn't the left from a few decades that still believed in the Constitution and the American Dream.

The leftist leaders now are communists and evil. Their constituents are a combination of evil and historically ignorant true believers.
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I'm feeling increasingly good about sending some or all of my kids to A&M in a couple years. I feel the tide is turning in our favor.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

The guy allowed (maybe even encouraged) DEI at TAMU after orders were handed down to stop the bull***** He got exposed.

i'm raising 2 teenage boys to try and be godly men. in a world of Jordan Petersons, Andrew Tates, Nick Fuentes, etc. I'm trying to steer them away from garbage thinking.

I understand senses of humor and joking around as a teenage boy and there's are some times where I say cut it out when I'm rolling my eyes and times where I say, "this stops right now" and they understand to correct course immediately. I think that Welsh took "stop the DEI" as the former and thought he could keep it up under less watchful eyes.
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Welsh was very much milk toast... or milquetoast.

Strange how two entirely different concepts can sound the same and both be perfect descriptions of him.

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LOYAL AG said:

Captain Pablo said:

This quote from early in the article

""Mark is pretty moderate," said an influential A&M donor and alum who asked not to be named because of their continued relationship with the school. "I think that he was just like many of us in being naive about just how much the far-right was going to come after [DEI]. It wasn't going to go away, until it was too late.""

Yeah ok


It's amazing how opposing racial discrimination is now far right.

Yep.

While the facts may be accurate, it is hard to put any real weight in an article that doesn't even hide the left bias and in just about every single paragraph finds a way to demonize anybody that didn't want DEI and lgbtqwhaterver social programming in our college.
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lbcshort said:

I read the article and I felt like one thing the author was trying to point out, aside from the President Welch situation, was the difficulty at institutions trying to follow federal mandates (which were quite liberal) and the time continuum where there was a backlash from conservatives in Texas. I was naive that Governor Abbott was so influential in what happenedI guess I thought he appointed the regents and they had oversight/control over administration. It seems he is possibly way more concerned about how "leftest" A&M is and not as concerned about his own Alma Mater.
I see college as a place for students to have their perspectives challenged. I am not afraid of a moderate. I am more concerned about never seeing, reading, or hearing anything outside of a bubble. Sometimes being exposed to other ideas strengthens your own views.
Blast away and call me names.

It isn't hard to follow a mandate that says "you can't hire somebody simply because their skin is a certain color or they have an axe wound between their legs".

Notice how easy it was for DEI policies to take root, but the second legislation comes forward that says you can't use DEI policies because they are absolute garbage and are actually racist and sexist - all of a sudden following legislation is nigh but impossible to do?
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Exactly.

This is why conservatives have to fight for all they're worth to keep it out of the institution to begin with. The left never slumbers, and if you stop paying attention for one second they claw their way in.

Reminds me of this quote by John Curran - "It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."

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"Also screw the Texas tribune. Trash publication."
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Bucketrunner said:

"Also screw the Texas tribune. Trash publication."


They provide one thing of value. I often use them to look up salaries of public employees
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Support the Rudder Association, y'all. It's only 50 bucks/year.

https://www.therudderassociation.org/giving-membership-become-a-member
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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explicitly conservative leader

This. Please. Pretty please.

Enough of these liberal putzes.
“Some people bring joy wherever they go, and some people bring joy whenever they go.” ~ Mark Twain
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lbcshort said:

I read the article and I felt like one thing the author was trying to point out, aside from the President Welch situation, was the difficulty at institutions trying to follow federal mandates (which were quite liberal) and the time continuum where there was a backlash from conservatives in Texas. I was naive that Governor Abbott was so influential in what happenedI guess I thought he appointed the regents and they had oversight/control over administration. It seems he is possibly way more concerned about how "leftest" A&M is and not as concerned about his own Alma Mater.
I see college as a place for students to have their perspectives challenged. I am not afraid of a moderate. I am more concerned about never seeing, reading, or hearing anything outside of a bubble. Sometimes being exposed to other ideas strengthens your own views.
Blast away and call me names.

Thank God for Gov. Abbott. He's not bad for a sip. I'll be voting for him again if given the chance.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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techno-ag said:

Support the Rudder Association, y'all. It's only 50 bucks/year.

https://www.therudderassociation.org/giving-membership-become-a-member

Absolutely. This group stays vigilant and has the contacts to at least be heard in the conversations that matter.
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Appointed to Joint Chief of staff by Barack Obama. That alone should have been enough to send alarm bells off about his appointment as President of Texas A & M. Should have been at the very least a yellow flag for the BOR to check into thoroughly and maybe they did , I don't know .I'm not saying it should have been a disqualifier but definitely a warning sign.
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halfastros81 said:

Appointed to Joint Chief of staff by Barack Obama. That alone should have been enough to send alarm bells off about his appointment as President of Texas A & M.

And this thread is proof that people will still defend him despite his actions speaking for themselves.
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